SimonButtle Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 On the Kenwright thing...He is a sound man, it is good to have that passion, and yes he is clearly a good businessman. BUT...to stand on stage and say to all that he 'promises David we'll carry on his great work' etc is to much...what he should say is 'thanks David for the effort you put in, we all wish you luck, and I promise the fans that we will do everything within our power to ensure we stay a top 6 team'...still passionate, but less theatrical. If that's the case then we need a manager of proven stuff to keep the team performing to the high level Moyes had them doing. Thus imo, immediately rules out any of the backroom staff. So i hope Mr Kenwright remembers what he has said. This could be crucial for him, he's not the most popular of chairman despite being a passionate club fan himself. If he makes the right appointment then he would do himself a few favours in the eyes of the supporters id imagine. However we know there is more than a good chance they might chose a cheap option or promote from within, and that will go down like a lead balloon no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoeQuince Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Thomas Schaaf has stepped down at Werder Bremen. He's done very well there over the years, always playing attacking football and winning honours as well. He'd be interesting. I haven't seen a link, btw, just a thought of mine. Was thinking this last week as I watched Bremen secure their stay in the league. He's been at Bremen for his entire life though, so I have to think he will be taking a break before going somewhere else. I do enjoy his style, and he's certainly someone who is loyal to his club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Duncan Ferguson, David Weir, Alan Stubbs and Phil Neville have all reportedly been interviewed. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/four-ex-blues-interviewed-replace-david-3869002 It's just as well that our expectations are not being built up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Duncan Ferguson, David Weir, Alan Stubbs and Phil Neville have all reportedly been interviewed. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/four-ex-blues-interviewed-replace-david-3869002 It's just as well that our expectations are not being built up. I really think that when Moyes said he'd recommend them and (assuming this link is true) that they've been interviewed it was about lesser roles at the club. Can't believe any of them are serious contenders for the top job. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 I really think that when Moyes said he'd recommend them and (assuming this link is true) that they've been interviewed it was about lesser roles at the club. Can't believe any of them are serious contenders for the top job. I hope you're right, Mike. I'll despair if any of them get the managers job. SimonButtle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) Duncan Ferguson, David Weir, Alan Stubbs and Phil Neville have all reportedly been interviewed. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/four-ex-blues-interviewed-replace-david-3869002 It's just as well that our expectations are not being built up. If you read the article, it says they have been 'interviewed about how they see their role in the iminant shake up'...not so much the actual managers job. The headline does its job I think...gets your immediate attention to read on!!! I do see having these guys at the club as important...hopefully they and the new manager can continue working together. Edited May 18, 2013 by Newty82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Pointless getting into all this as some people's opinion is deemed an unchangeable fact.... Regardless of his "theorized" astute business sense He has thus far in front of the camera's handled this situation like a school kid who's child hood crush has done one and its getting embarrassing how much emphasis and lime light he's putting on the situation and himself. That's just personal and petty mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 That's just personal and petty mate. Apologies Av it wasn't solely aimed at Yourself mate and reading it back was worded to harshly and was not intended to come across that way just having on of those days bud.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) ....and then you do:rofl: . Love it! Haha I just read it back and thought that what a wolly! But in My defence My first point was aimed more at Kenwright as a business man and the whole Kenwright debate My rant was aimed at recent events. Edited May 18, 2013 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Apologies Av it wasn't solely aimed at Yourself mate and reading it back was worded to harshly and was not intended to come across that way just having on of those days bud.... Ok mate. Next time you're getting the Mr Angry smiley though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodisonRoad Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Are we though? http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/18/premier-league-finances-club-by-club Ah yes, apologies Dunc. According to that we are a whole £3m better off commercially than a team that were relegated!!! (blackburn) and also behind Fulham, Newcastle and Norwich. I'm sorry, but i know you like to think everyone on here hates Kenwright and we are all doom-mongers, but i dont think you've ever made a criticism of anything everton on this board. I asked you a similar question in another thread, but is there anything you would change about this club? You're not thinking logically mate. Kenwright deals with the public eye for a living. To suggest he doesn't know how to handle the press is just silly. When you look at Kenwright as a business man, you don't compare him to Manchester United's wealth etc, but look at his own personal achievements as a business man. He owns one of the biggest theater companies there is, and also owns Everton FC. You don't get that far without being a business man, and very astute. We were light years behind other teams long before Kenwright took over. You see, i think i am Av. The Chairman of the club you would like to manage, still harping on about how great the old manager was, would you still want to go there? Its like shagging a bird and her telling you her ex was bigger. Aren't you being a tad contradictory when stating how great a business man Kenwright is and then telling me we are still Lightyears behind as we were when Kenwright took over? even after all those great achievements of his? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Ah yes, apologies Dunc. According to that we are a whole £3m better off commercially than a team that were relegated!!! (blackburn) and also behind Fulham, Newcastle and Norwich. I'm sorry, but i know you like to think everyone on here hates Kenwright and we are all doom-mongers, but i dont think you've ever made a criticism of anything everton on this board. I asked you a similar question in another thread, but is there anything you would change about this club? You see, i think i am Av. The Chairman of the club you would like to manage, still harping on about how great the old manager was, would you still want to go there? Its like shagging a bird and her telling you her ex was bigger. Aren't you being a tad contradictory when stating how great a business man Kenwright is and then telling me we are still Lightyears behind as we were when Kenwright took over? even after all those great achievements of his? We are tiny compared to the clubs we are trying to compete with, and the quicker fans realise this, and stop expecting us to be their equals, the less they'll be disappointed, and the more they'll be rewarded in context. Ask yourself what 'you' do for a living, or me, or most here, then compare our situation to that of Kenwright, and tell me he is not a fantastic businessman. You don't always get things right in business, and lots of fans seem to think they are better at business than he is (they can show evidence can they?) but he is a top notch business man, proven in his specialised field as the best, and as a chairman, he is far better than many out there. Why shouldn't he praise Moyes? Moyes has been wonderful for our club, and he hasn't betrayed us, or sold us out, but been recognised for his work, by the biggest job in football. I don't really see how any fan can not be proud of the man, and wish him the best, and that is what Kenwright is. Life isn't always about painting the right picture or pleasing others. Kenwright owns Everton FC, and if he wants to tell the world how great Moyes is, then he is more entitled to do that than anybody else, and I think it says a lot of good about a man who can genuinely lose something he loves, yet embrace it, and celebrate it, and know that it's a special moment in football, and our club are more interested in being human than we are in being politically correct. It's not our club. It's 'his' club, and personally I admire the man for all his passion, and couldn't really give a toss about the small minded who continually complain or find fault. For me, if they can't find anything positive about our club, then perhaps go to the cinema instead. Moyes 'is' the best manager in the world in his eyes, and to be honest, probably in my eyes too, but any new manager will get exactly the same opportunity to do what Moyes has done, and we don't have to play Moyes down, in order to inspire and embrace a new manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Well fook me, our 4-5-1 manager deems himself the right man to nominate the next person to be a great manager for our club - whilst he of course he plots to batter us in a new 3-1-2-2-2 formation utilising any up coming youngster as a right mid. I'm actually scared we may get a moyes recommendation. Narcissism at its worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Well fook me, our 4-5-1 manager deems himself the right man to nominate the next person to be a great manager for our club - whilst he of course he plots to batter us in a new 3-1-2-2-2 formation utilising any up coming youngster as a right mid. I'm actually scared we may get a moyes recommendation. Narcissism at its worst. I'm actually scared we'll have another 11 years of your moaning. flaminfox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Narcissism at its worst. the worst narcissist is when you realise that the narcissist is fucking awesome. Hard to handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Avin...Without turning this into a Kenwright topic, and again I have no real issue with BK...just couple of things...he doesnt own the club, isnt it just 25% of shares he has? That leaves a vast majority elsewhere (Is it 51%you need before being classed as 'owner'? Not sure). I dont think anyone can be too against BK's passion, but there is a point where it gets too theatrical and a bit cringey...like when you see a shit act on X-Factor...you get that same feeling. But, I guess thats his character...I suppose a lifetime in theatre can do that to you!!! Anyway, last game today, wont be long until we find out who the new man is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodisonRoad Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Cant be arsed turning this into yet another debate on Kenwright but it pisses me off no end that some fans cant even begin to fault him or anything to do with the club because they are sinply happy with what we have. If your not moving forwards, your moving backwards, these last few years we have stood still in the 6th, 7th, 8th finishes, okay we might need investment to take us to that next level, which i completely agree, but the last few years we have been 6th or 7th best team in england, and are sponsporship deals are a joke, especially when you look at the deal the almighty Sunderland got with that Africa thing. Im not a Kenwright basher or a "kenwright out" person, but when he's a tit or doing something wrong, i will call it, like most people. Im not saying he shouldnt thank Moyes, because the man has been a great for us. But hia goodbye and thanks was last week at goodison, lets move on and start sending the right messages to the new manager, whoever it may be. How can you compare us to Kenwright and call him a fantastic business man btw? Im 20 and work in accounts, ive never tried to start up my own business (probably along with 99% of this forum), i might be the next Duncan bannatyne for all you know!! StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 a role came up to work at Everton a couple of years back. Secretarial, quite important in terms of the job description. The type of role that negates risk with players coming to ends of contracts (dan gosling) - £25k a year. Pay peanuts get monkeys. The current administrative/marketing set up is absolutely shocking. No structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2326786/Mark-Hughes-heads-list-Leicester-job.html#ixzz2TiXB0x3W not sure if i should be relieved or feel insulted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 a role came up to work at Everton a couple of years back. Secretarial, quite important in terms of the job description. The type of role that negates risk with players coming to ends of contracts (dan gosling) - £25k a year. Pay peanuts get monkeys. The current administrative/marketing set up is absolutely shocking. No structure. thats not always true though, is it? Also, can you provide some details behind the lack of structure. I dont mean the usual catchphrases, I mean details of how the club is run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/bolton-wanderers/news/odds-cut-on-freedman-to-everton_84968.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Martinez very hot favourite this morning... http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/everton/next-permanent-manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 It seems like every morning there is a new favourite. Maybe we should start up a rumour ourselves and make a few quid laying the bet off! Fearthainn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt Posted May 19, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 It seems like every morning there is a new favourite. Maybe we should start up a rumour ourselves and make a few quid laying the bet off! to be honest, ive tried quite hard to ignore it this week because its pointless worrying about it. Everton will hire who they want and we will either celebrate the appointment or grin and bare it... Bailey, Fearthainn, GoodisonRoad and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Bill Kenwright is quoted on Sky Sports website as saying that the peopled linked aren't too far away from who he has in my mind. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8721762/Premier-League-Bill-Kenwright-knows-who-he-wants-to-bring-in-as-manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) Bill Kenwright is quoted on Sky Sports website as saying that the peopled linked aren't too far away from who he has in my mind. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8721762/Premier-League-Bill-Kenwright-knows-who-he-wants-to-bring-in-as-manager I hope that's not code for the backroom staff. We seem to be down to Stubbs,Neville,Weir or Martinez at the moment, Im seriously concerned about our future. Edited May 19, 2013 by Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Kevin Ratcliffe's views: https://soundcloud.com/toffeetalk/kevin-ratcliffe-2013-05-19 Taken from TalkSport SimonButtle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Just wondering though, who is it that is making the decision on the new manager? Presumably Bill Kenwright. We've been told on here that Walter Smith recommended Moyes. If in fact Bill Kenwright knows shit all about the game as some have said, should we be entirely hopeful that he makes the right decision at all? The easy option for him (God help us) is if he promotes from within. Next would be by Moyes' recommendation (maybe promoting from within) and the most difficult for Kenwright would be to choose one himself. For the latter does anyone on here have any confidence that he knows enough to make a considered choice? This is not about being (or not being) a good businessman, purely about his credentials for making the right decision in a footballing sense. What is the current feeling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Honestly, I'm concerned by it too. I'm not confident that he'll make the right choice (again). Bailey and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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