Cornish Steve Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Only this week, some were praising DM for the best start of a new manager since Matt Busby. I doubt the stats will be shown this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 I can actually see them going back to how things were with Ron Atkinson in the 1980s before Ferguson took over so long as Moyes remains in charge. Edit - Atkinson actually lead the team to two FA Cup triumphs, but in terms of overall stature you understand. As with Liverpool after 1990, the domination years could actually be coming to an end. Hope Moyes keeps it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Dutch coaching manual author and former Wales assistant manager has had a pop at him here: www.twitter.com/raymondverheije He doesn't think much of Moyes and Phil Neville. It was sad to see Rugby United loose against WBA today. Every time RVP does not come to the rescue, United look like a very average team. As RVP was struggling with muscle problems for second time already this season, United had to do it without him for most of the game today. When coaching a smaller club like Everton one can play reactive football to frustrate opponent & to win many points with good counter play. However when coaching a big club like United it’s the opponent who’s playing reactive football & it’s up to manager to come up with solution That’s why a lot of managers struggle when they move from a small to a big club. They don’t understand how to break down a defensive wall. Another problem is the fact that Moyes is very rigid with his 4-4-2. This is a very vulnerable tactic, especially against 4-2-3-1 & 4-1-4-1. Despite the 4-1 win, everyone who understands football could already see United’s tactical problem in the Swansea game last month. In Swansea game, United played with 2 central midfielders against 3 Swansea midfielders. But in that particular game, RVP came to the rescue As most people in Jurassic Park don't have a clue about tactics, they were all talking about the 4-1 win instead of the tactical blunder. Even the tactically clueless pundits of Match of the Day said United had played well. What can you expect of these Jurassic Park products? In the Manchester derby the same tactical blunder proved to be very costly as Carrick & Fellani were totally overrun by the City midfielders The future doesn't look bright as Moyes was allowed to take with him his tactically clueless friends from Everton & released Fergie’s staff. It might have been smart if he had kept 1 of Fergie’s coaches as they know the team & understand how to deal with the opponent’s tactics. Former coach Meulensteen would have had more to offer to United than all the current clueless & inexperienced nobodies on the United bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 442 and counterattacking? Don't think he ever watched Everton, anyone from here could have stated he struggles to breakdown teams who park the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 442 and counterattacking? Don't think he ever watched Everton, anyone from here could have stated he struggles to breakdown teams who park the bus. I think the 442 comment is more in relation to the fact he only plays with 2 central midfielders and then one man off the striker (as opposed to a 3rd central midfielder). I also think he means counterattacking in respect of when we were playing the bigger clubs in that we let them dictate the ball, sat deep and then tried to get forward (albeit unsuccessfully most of the time!). We have always said that Moyes is reactive, he sets his team up to negate the strengths of the opposition instead of trying to emphasise his own teams strengths. If it was frustrating for us, it will be even more frustrating for Utd fans who expect to win 95% of the matches they compete in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vranny Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 I like how he points to Moyes's use of a 4-4-2, with a slightly deeper striker in place of an extra mid, as allowing Man city to over-run them in midfield, but ignores that city played exactly the same formation with Aguero playing the deeper role that Rooney did. Think there are deeper issues with United than what formation they put out at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Damned if you do, and damned if your don't. DM is between a rock and a hard place. Do you enoucrage and try to boost players who aren't playing well, or do you try to reset expectations by telling the world that your team is weak? From the Telegraph: The narrative of the season so far from Moyes has been one of lowering expectations. The squad, he insists, is not strong enough in key areas and the Scot even suggested in the wake of the 4-1 defeat at Manchester City last week, which he described as “embarrassing”, that he required two new players to go straight into his starting 11. Moyes is undoubtedly correct in his assessment, United do lack quality, particularly in midfield, but there is a danger that he is giving his players an excuse for failure by repeatedly highlighting their frailties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8949396/Moyes-Ignored-Fergie-Advice-On-Coaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8949396/Moyes-Ignored-Fergie-Advice-On-Coaches No one tells Davie what to do... fans say get Barkley on, Moyes puts Heitinga on. Fans say Neville is awful, Moyes starts neville in midfield.... Sit back and watch this unfold, whats the odds on united getting beat this week in Russia??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weebittight Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 He certainly is a stubborn ******. I think he got carried away with the win over Le Merd and thought he could just trot out any combo against The Baggies and get a victory. I have said this many times before about Moyes but i think it is still appropriate - his best selections are often forced on him through injury or suspensions ie he could n't pick his nose when he has something to pick from. I tipped my cap to him when he departed but I am not sorry he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 He certainly is a stubborn ******. I think he got carried away with the win over Le Merd and thought he could just trot out any combo against The Baggies and get a victory. I have said this many times before about Moyes but i think it is still appropriate - his best selections are often forced on him through injury or suspensions ie he could n't pick his nose when he has something to pick from. I tipped my cap to him when he departed but I am not sorry he's gone. I often thought that, he gets the best performances when he is left with a bare bones squad - more or less "give it your best shot boys and do the shirt proud" Given options and decisions he fluffs his lines. If he was at United and paid the relevant amount of respect to our club and left in the correct manner - which he didn't do. I would have a little amount of sympathy for him and would just be pleased that we have a better manager. As it happens he has acted like a complete arrogant sod and I am enjoying watching his reputation take a nose dive - he built up this reputation by making out we were small time and he was somehow doing us a favour... he wasn't and he ain't that great. Soooo, until I feel like i've had my pound of Moyes flesh toffeetalkers - you will just have to tolerate the Haf-Moyes hatred for the time being. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 you'll never have until you're dancing naked around him chanting here come the elephants GoodisonRoad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droobie Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Six games in and things are interesting. I had always had the impression that we had a 'low budget' team and it was Moyes who had been keeping us up. Sure he's made some astute signings, and pulled off some great wins, but now with us at 4th and ManUtd sitting at 12th, you have to wonder. Is it the manger, or the players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/30/manchester-united-david-moyes-glazer £50m eh? They'll probably still bid less than this summer for Baines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/30/manchester-united-david-moyes-glazer £50m eh? They'll probably still bid less than this summer for Baines. will he still be there to spend it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Ive got a feeling that Sunderland will add to DMs worries today. Predict a 1-0 Sunderland win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Ive got a feeling that Sunderland will add to DMs worries today. Predict a 1-0 Sunderland win i'm gonna have a tenner on them - sunderland that is. Their fans will be right up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 2-0 to United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 SKY 'Manchester United have never lost a game at the Stadium of Light and they haven't lost three Premier League ties in a row for almost 12 years' Moyes could etch another little piece of Utd history today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 ....... or he could turn it around and get the 3 points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Good on him for playing Januzaj. If only he'd have played Barkley while he was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Good on him for playing Januzaj. If only he'd have played Barkley while he was here. Were his goals nice goals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 This one was a bit RVP-like imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 I just witnessed Moyes almost taking praise for giving him his debut along with Rooney and barkkey. what a tit. maybe the interviewer should have said "does this mean you are gonna neglect him for 18 months" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 I could have sworn the whole point of this thread was for peeps interested in Moyes to post free from the bashers batting them into line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 I could have sworn the whole point of this thread was for peeps interested in Moyes to post free from the bashers batting them into line. I think the thread started before Moyes decided to disprespect us so unfortunately it's now turned into the "I told you he wasn't all that" thread for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 I think the thread started before Moyes decided to disprespect us so unfortunately it's now turned into the "I told you he wasn't all that" thread for me. Ah, the old "Told you so" ones are the best. :shaking fist: Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt Posted October 9, 2013 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Sibdane, Romey 1878, Toffee_in_LA and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 The best part of that is that his facial expression is exactly the same. That's how stubborn he is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 It's old news. I read the same article some time back. And at some point in Moyes Everton managerial career, he must have have seen the club above Manchester United at some time or another, so it's a bit misleading information. Furthermore, it was not a 'football funny' as it provided no humor whatsoever, but some people will find the least thing amusing. Edit - the article should read 'funnies', and not funnys surely, but either way, there was nothing to laugh about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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