Toffee_in_LA Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Right, it looked like you were saying "good lord" to both of our comments. All good. I'll be happy with a few more midweek games to watch So is 6th place Europa then ? Unfortunate about Peanuts. Down two wingers, Two CB's, Barry for the Man City game. It's like that winter spell where we struggled with fitness all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) I think you are underestimating how important it is to have a squad that plays together all the time, like most of the teams that compete in the Europa do. We stress how important it is to have a constant CB pair, now imagine having 8-9 new players playing. Look at what happened to us against Fulham in the League Cup. Couple changes can unsettle a squad. Having said that, I don't know what the answer is. We don't have enough squad depth for a solid Europa run, but that can change over the summer I agree that the best squads are the ones that have a familiar set of starters and bench players, but I'm worried that Europa won't give us the funds(in the first year) to truly build the squad depth we need to compete on both fronts. I guess my main worry is that the consistent first team players might suffer in the league from fatigue or pick up an injury in a EL match, which is very likely to happen. If our league form suffers and we drop back to seventh, then we won't be in European competition at all. A club like Everton should always be in European competition, so there's my reasoning on why we should concentrate on the league. Hopefully, the additional revenue from Europa (although miniscule in comparison to CL) through time will help us add an additional 2-3 players each year. I definitely see where you are coming from though. I guess we could just win it every year to ensure that we are always competing in it -- I really think we could win it. That said, we're going to qualify for Champion's League, so this is all pointless anyway. Edited April 24, 2014 by TonkaRoost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I think it does as Man City will qualify for Champions League via their league place and the Europa Cup as Capital Cup winners. They can't play in both so that means sixth gets Europa Cup .... I think. And if Arsenal win the FA Cup as well as finishing fourth? Does that open up the seventh spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant1979 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I'm not saying I would advocate this, but it is entirely possible to play U21's and subs in the Europa and therefore cause no strain to the squad in terms of the extra games. Just throwing it out there to counter people using that argument as a worry. Personally though I'd rather have a real go at winning the thing, a European trophy would be great Having said that I'm still hoping for 3 wins to end the season and arsenal to drop points... Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I think it'd totally disrespect the paying fans if we qualify and then just play the kids. I'll be paying a full price to see the full team, not the U21's. If I wanted to watch them play I'd go and watch the U21's. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant1979 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I think it'd totally disrespect the paying fans if we qualify and then just play the kids. I'll be paying a full price to see the full team, not the U21's. If I wanted to watch them play I'd go and watch the U21's. I agree. As I said I would want to go all out to win. But on other threads people have said they would rather finish 8th than 5th because of the strains on the squad, so just playing devil's advocate really by using an extreme example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Example the other night... In one fell swoop Chelsea lost John Terry and Cech... Yes it was champions league and therefore a risk worth taking. Playing on a Thursday and us losing Howard and Stones/Dustin for the season??? Seriously we can't afford shit like that. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 And if Arsenal win the FA Cup as well as finishing fourth? Does that open up the seventh spot? please tell me you're jokin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 please tell me you're jokin? Dear god. I've progressed from dear lord. NyarkosLeftToe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) Just wish we had a season were the team was backed. Good and solid. No player sales just a load of hard cash thrown at it. That way we could compete in either of the European competitions without any worry. Edited April 24, 2014 by MiguelCotto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I think it'd totally disrespect the paying fans if we qualify and then just play the kids. I'll be paying a full price to see the full team, not the U21's. If I wanted to watch them play I'd go and watch the U21's. Shit Ive just realised I have forgotten to withdraw from the auto cup scheme for the League Cup next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Shit Ive just realised I have forgotten to withdraw from the auto cup scheme for the League Cup next season Lol I withdrew from it years ago and I'm still suckered into getting a ticket anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Lol I withdrew from it years ago and I'm still suckered into getting a ticket anyway. Ha ha I know the feeling, every season I keep promising myself that Im not going to go to anymore League Cup games then find myself trundling back from shitty midweek aways at the likes of Leeds or Fulham after another capitulation. Defo not going to any aways in the League Cup next year, unless its Wembley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 please tell me you're jokin? It was a serious question, and I found the answer at this website. There are three places in the UEFA Europa League available: the FA Cup winners will enter at the Group Stage; the fifth place team in the Barclays Premier League will enter at the Play-Off stage; and the Football League Cup winners will enter at the Q3 stage. In the event the FA Cup winners are qualified for the UEFA Champions League the FA Cup runners-up will qualify, but in the place reserved for the lowest ranking Barclays Premier League representative. The place with direct access to the Group Stage will be given to the club that finishes in the highest position in the Barclays Premier League of the clubs qualifying for the UEFA Europa League. English winners of the UEFA Europa League will enter at the Group Stage, gaining an extra domestic place only if they fail to qualify through other means for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League. If the holders of the UEFA Europa League have already qualified for Europe, no extra domestic place will be gained. Should the FA Cup winners, runners-up (if applicable) and the Football League Cup winners already have qualified for Europe, their place goes to the next best placed clubs in the Premier League. So, in other words, here's what happens if Arsenal finish fourth in the league, Everton finishes fifth in the league. If Arsenal win the FA Cup, we qualify immediately for the group stage of the Europa League. If Hull win the FA Cup, then we qualify for the playoff stage of the Europa League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyarkosLeftToe Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 So what happens if we qualify for Champions League and Hull win the FA Cup? Do Arsenal get relegated? bluenosetoffee and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) No, Argentina become European champions. Edited April 25, 2014 by tenaciousj Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 It was a serious question, and I found the answer at this website. There are three places in the UEFA Europa League available: the FA Cup winners will enter at the Group Stage; the fifth place team in the Barclays Premier League will enter at the Play-Off stage; and the Football League Cup winners will enter at the Q3 stage. In the event the FA Cup winners are qualified for the UEFA Champions League the FA Cup runners-up will qualify, but in the place reserved for the lowest ranking Barclays Premier League representative. The place with direct access to the Group Stage will be given to the club that finishes in the highest position in the Barclays Premier League of the clubs qualifying for the UEFA Europa League. English winners of the UEFA Europa League will enter at the Group Stage, gaining an extra domestic place only if they fail to qualify through other means for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League. If the holders of the UEFA Europa League have already qualified for Europe, no extra domestic place will be gained. Should the FA Cup winners, runners-up (if applicable) and the Football League Cup winners already have qualified for Europe, their place goes to the next best placed clubs in the Premier League. So, in other words, here's what happens if Arsenal finish fourth in the league, Everton finishes fifth in the league. If Arsenal win the FA Cup, we qualify immediately for the group stage of the Europa League. If Hull win the FA Cup, then we qualify for the playoff stage of the Europa League. you'll probably find this answer scattered all over the forum too...everyone asks every year the same question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I am hit and miss about the Europa league at the moment. When Moyes was in charge we dreamed only about the Europa league. Now when Martinez is in charge we are wanting more. Maybe it is me getting to greedy to soon but I just hope that if we play in the Europa league we don't drop our performance in the league. Swansea, Newcastle and Spurs have all struggled. Playing games on a Thursday and then a Saturday/Sunday can be quite demanding at times. Liverpool were offered Europa league this season but they turned it down so they could concentrate on the league. Look what that has done for them this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 It was a serious question, and I found the answer at this website. There are three places in the UEFA Europa League available: the FA Cup winners will enter at the Group Stage; the fifth place team in the Barclays Premier League will enter at the Play-Off stage; and the Football League Cup winners will enter at the Q3 stage. In the event the FA Cup winners are qualified for the UEFA Champions League the FA Cup runners-up will qualify, but in the place reserved for the lowest ranking Barclays Premier League representative. The place with direct access to the Group Stage will be given to the club that finishes in the highest position in the Barclays Premier League of the clubs qualifying for the UEFA Europa League. English winners of the UEFA Europa League will enter at the Group Stage, gaining an extra domestic place only if they fail to qualify through other means for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League. If the holders of the UEFA Europa League have already qualified for Europe, no extra domestic place will be gained. Should the FA Cup winners, runners-up (if applicable) and the Football League Cup winners already have qualified for Europe, their place goes to the next best placed clubs in the Premier League. So, in other words, here's what happens if Arsenal finish fourth in the league, Everton finishes fifth in the league. If Arsenal win the FA Cup, we qualify immediately for the group stage of the Europa League. If Hull win the FA Cup, then we qualify for the playoff stage of the Europa League. What if Chelsea win the CL. Is 5th a CL spot too? Im not trying to be an arse here, weve only talked about the clarification of the Europa League from what Ive seen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 What if Chelsea win the CL. Is 5th a CL spot too? Im not trying to be an arse here, weve only talked about the clarification of the Europa League from what Ive seen... No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 No. Well, that clears that up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Well, that clears that up! Why say with 10 words what you can accomplish with one? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) If we are in the Europa League maybe let's try and win the thing? Juventus vs Benfica last night? Hardly minnows. Is it all about the money or the glory? I don't want to celebrate profit, I want to celebrate a trophy. Edited April 25, 2014 by StevO Matt, Toffee_in_LA, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 you'll probably find this answer scattered all over the forum too...everyone asks every year the same question Well, my excuse is that I've been here less than a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) What if Chelsea win the CL. Is 5th a CL spot too? Im not trying to be an arse here, weve only talked about the clarification of the Europa League from what Ive seen... No. However...if United had won, it would have opened up another Europa League spot. From that same website... The top four teams in the Barclays Premier League qualify for the UEFA Champions League. English winners of the UEFA Champions League finishing outside the top four places (but who qualify for the UEFA Europa League through their domestic Barclays Premier League position) go forward as Winners to the group stage along with domestic champions, runners-up and third place. No extra domestic place can be gained by winning the UEFA Champions League, therefore the team finishing fourth drops to the UEFA Europa League. English winners of the UEFA Champions League who do not qualify through their domestic position go forward as Winners to the group stage, with the team finishing fourth dropping to the UEFA Europa League. In this case, the national association of the title-holder is entitled to one additional place in the UEFA Europa League. Edited April 25, 2014 by Cornish Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Not giving up yet. However, if arsenal beat newcastle, or even get a point, then I will call it a day on this one for this season. We've done well though. I think we can at least finish 5th, which is an exceptional first season for RM. He has some big decisions to make pre-season. The biggest is around Lukaku. If its not him as our main striker, then who will it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Scrub most of what I said above...I thought Newcastle were at home. Cant see Newcastle beating Arsenal at The Emirates. So, I am getting my head into 5th and the Europa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Not giving up yet. However, if arsenal beat newcastle, or even get a point, then I will call it a day on this one for this season. We've done well though. I think we can at least finish 5th, which is an exceptional first season for RM. He has some big decisions to make pre-season. The biggest is around Lukaku. If its not him as our main striker, then who will it be? We wont be able to afford Bony so I expect somebody from abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 was a great run for 4th, best points total ever, i can't complain one bit. made up for 5th and europa, very excited and feel it's where we belong. if we win we get champs league, and i think it's a great route to go. now we just need to hold off spurs and man u. Toffee_in_LA and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 He has some big decisions to make pre-season. The biggest is around Lukaku. If its not him as our main striker, then who will it be? Quite worried about where the goals are going to come from next season tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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