Romey 1878 Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Are we in a better position than before? Simple answer...Yes. Is it immediate maybe no. Are we looking to build..Yes. Five minute fans will be upset. Twenty year fans can see beyond. Stop being so naive to think that money can buy you everything. I wouldn't say we were stronger really. Probably about the same. But we do have a couple of days to change that, and my fingers are crossed that we will. If we get that creative player then it'll be job done. Money can't buy you everything but it would be great to be able to spend money when we need to, like now. And if my crossing of fingers doesn't work it looks like we don't have much money at all. Which is slightly alarming and rather pitiful when we haven't spent much so far and play in a league that is awash with money. Surely you'll be a bit concerned about our finances too, Shukes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 It is mate. All I'm trying to do is make it simple. How do people feel? I know we may be disappointed as we wanted more, but are we stronger now, rather same, or weaker? I don't want arguments, just opinions. How are we stronger? We lost two CB's and a reserve forward. We have several long-term injuries. Players are a year older which is quite relevant in the cases of Barry, Osman, Pienaar and Howard and to a lesser degree with Jagielka, Baines and Kone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 How are we stronger? We lost two CB's and a reserve forward. We have several long-term injuries. Players are a year older which is quite relevant in the cases of Barry, Osman, Pienaar and Howard and to a lesser degree with Jagielka, Baines and Kone. Lost Distin and Alcaraz for Mori and young CB's Galloway and Pennington. Gained Deulofeu, Rodrigeuz and Cleverley. Kone returned to fitness and it seems form. Window isn't over yet. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Mori could well be worse than Alcaraz. He's totally untested and from a much weaker league. Rodriguez is 22 and from an even worse league and with a pretty poor record. If we had signed a 22-year Englishman with 22 goals in 90 games from Burton for 500k would you even list him? There's no saying, he could still be a great signing. Deulofeu needs to improve a lot. Cleverley is an improvement, but he basically needs to replace both Pienaar and Osman. Shukes asked our status right now, not to guess what the squad might look on Wednesday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Wednesday we will know what our squad looks like and then we can make a proper comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Lost Distin and Alcaraz for Mori and young CB's Galloway and Pennington. Gained Deulofeu, Rodrigeuz and Cleverley. Kone returned to fitness and it seems form. Window isn't over yet. Pretty much my answer really. I don't get why people wind themselves up before the window has closed? I find it so freakin' weird. If the window closes and we are no better off, fine. Whinge and moan, protest, riot. Whatever. I'll probably duck out of here for a week if that happens. Until then...just wait!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 But why do u wait till 2 days left? If u have your targets get them in. As usual we have a chance to be in the race for top four if we spent £40 mill on what we've got. Yarmelenko yes, Austin yes. Yes yes yes yes yes☝ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Lennon it is then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 But why do u wait till 2 days left? If u have your targets get them in. As usual we have a chance to be in the race for top four if we spent £40 mill on what we've got. Yarmelenko yes, Austin yes. Yes yes yes yes yes☝ Because that's the nature of the game. We won't be the only ones leaving it late. It's only us fans that create hysteria from it. I don't know if you end up paying more or less than market value by leaving it late. I think it's just a bit of to and thro, see who buckles first. I'm looking forward to the next couple of days, as a football fan, transfer deadline day excites me every year!!! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I can see us going for Denis Cheryshev from Real once all talk of Yarmolenko disappears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 It's worth keeping an eye on the deadlines across Europe today: Germany 6pm Italy 11pm France, Netherlands, Spain, Russia all Midnight. I guess this is just to bring players in, not sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I guess this is just to bring players in, not sell. Correct but the players available will either be surplus or already replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I can see us going for Denis Cheryshev from Real once all talk of Yarmolenko disappears. That would be a great signing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 How are we stronger? We lost two CB's and a reserve forward. We have several long-term injuries. Players are a year older which is quite relevant in the cases of Barry, Osman, Pienaar and Howard and to a lesser degree with Jagielka, Baines and Kone. We lost two centre backs that were not going to make the team any longer. We brought I'm two replacements that cam fit onto the team. Again we let a reserve striker go and brought in one that may make our first team. We have also added another winger and a midfielder. Surely we look stronger now? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 And yes Romey i am concerned. Bur I am still holding out for one more signing that would give us something to smile about. Especially after seeing Wednesday offer 10m for a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I'm gonna blow a fucking head gasket if we end up just with Lennon or a loan deal tomorrow. If we do there is absolutely no doubt we have no money. Watch the stadium talk come to the fore if it's the case then disappear again once the fume has subsided. Same shit year on year with us we should all be used to it by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I don't mind a loan deal as long as it's option to buy. Agree if we just get Lennon then there must be something wrong or someone needs sacking. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I'm gonna blow a fucking head gasket if we end up just with Lennon or a loan deal tomorrow. If we do there is absolutely no doubt we have no money. Watch the stadium talk come to the fore if it's the case then disappear again once the fume has subsided. Same shit year on year with us we should all be used to it by now. Just as us making some of our best signings on deadline day I'll be angry after tomorrow, for now I live in hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 We lost two centre backs that were not going to make the team any longer. We brought I'm two replacements that cam fit onto the team. Again we let a reserve striker go and brought in one that may make our first team. We have also added another winger and a midfielder. Surely we look stronger now? You should also consider what you measure against. Wouldn't this be against our rivals? Hypotethically if they each spent 100 million and we spent 5, would we be stronger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 You should also consider what you measure against. Wouldn't this be against our rivals? Hypotethically if they each spent 100 million and we spent 5, would we be stronger? Hypothetically no, in real life we won't know until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 You should also consider what you measure against. Wouldn't this be against our rivals? Hypotethically if they each spent 100 million and we spent 5, would we be stronger? If we brought in the right players, yes. 100m vs 5m is irrelevant, as has been proven for at least a decade by the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland, Spurs, Wham,Villa. Still work to be done but we're stronger now than we were. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 If we brought in the right players, yes. 100m vs 5m is irrelevant, as has been proven for at least a decade by the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland, Spurs, Wham,Villa. Still work to be done but we're stronger now than we were. Oh, so that's why the teams at the top keep changing season-by-season rather than having an established top four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Oh, so that's why the teams at the top keep changing season-by-season rather than having an established top four. As you said yourself.. You should also consider what you measure against. Top four/five are on a different planet money-wise. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Best day to be in America. We're 6 hours behind so by the time I'm leaving work I've got a good idea what happened and will still be on top of late deals. Looking forward to signing a 10 today Everton!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Not sure what angle you are coming from here Makis. Is it that the top 4 are our 'rivals'? We can't spend their sort of money. Not a chance. The point being made is that you may spend £100 million but it doesn't necessarily make you stronger. There are teams out there spending fortunes year after year and not gaining anything. We do have an improved squad. Hopefully we'll improve it more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Best day to be in America. We're 6 hours behind so by the time I'm leaving work I've got a good idea what happened and will still be on top of late deals. Looking forward to signing a 10 today Everton!! You do know the window closes tomorrow, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I didn't believe my sarcasm was so hard to understand. In general, if you plot money spent versus average league position there is a strong dependency. And the whole "you can spend and it doesn't necessary make you stronger" is just stupid. Not spending any money then does? Which is more likely to strengthen the team, spending or not spending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Spending more money does tend to allow you to finish in a higher position. However there have been some shockingly high fees paid for players mainly at Liverpool & Spurs. So spending doesn't always mean you'll finish higher. It is achievable to get good quality players for cheap. MikeO, markjazzbassist and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Exactly as MC put it. Spending big CAN help you improve, IF you spend it well. But it doesn't guarantee a thing. Spurs, Newcastle, West Ham, Stoke, Liverpool, Palace. that should pretty much be five to ten in the league come the end of the season. Not in that order mind, but if money guarantees it. See what happens in nine months. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I didn't believe my sarcasm was so hard to understand. In general, if you plot money spent versus average league position there is a strong dependency. And the whole "you can spend and it doesn't necessary make you stronger" is just stupid. Not spending any money then does? Which is more likely to strengthen the team, spending or not spending? Ok, so those who spend more must have the better squads. Fair enough, I'm just stupid. Last 5 years spend...(in millions £) City - 473 Chelsea - 462 Utd - 413 Pool - 349 Arsenal - 254 Spurs - 254 Soton - 164 Newcastle - 136 Villa - 122 S'land - 108 W'Ham - 107 EVERTON - 92 Swansea - 80 Palace - 75 WBA - 75 Stoke - 70 Norwich - 63 Leicester - 55 Bournemouth - 25 Watford - 12 It would be interesting to see the average league position for the last 5 years. The problem with only looking at what is spent is that you fail to see what the club has sold or what they have kept hold of. It's a difference of opinions. I just personally think there is more to it than just splashing the cash. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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