chalkpie Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) If he drops Howard after a poor couple of games, that sends a bad message, too - that players aren't allowed to make mistakes. Also, dropping Howard right now would really smash his confidence. Managers shouldn't make snap decisions based on single games. Really man? These are grown men (who are multi-millionaires BTW) who need to be mature enough to realize that if they suck shit on the pitch (as Howard has been exemplifying), then thy need to sit it out, dwell, work harder, and come to grips with their current form. Worrying about Howard's feelings over the well-being of this club is just flat out silly and ridiculous. Also, this is NOT a new scenario - he has arguably cost us many matches last season, and we are now starting to witness a repeat of 14-15. Martinez is too soft on these sort of issues - do you think Sir Alex would be worrying if Howard is upset or not? That is part of the reason he was an incredibly successful manager - these decisions can make or break seasons. Edited October 28, 2015 by chalkpie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Worrying about Howard's feelings over the well-being of this club is just flat out silly and ridiculous. Also, this is NOT a new scenario - he has arguably cost us many matches last season, and we are now starting to witness a repeat of 14-15. I didn't say anything about Howard's feelings; instead, I referred to his confidence. Watching any sport for years, you ought to know that momentum, confidence, and other intangibles count for a lot. When confidence is shot, for example, players tend to play it more safe - which is often counter-productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 If you're talking confidence, then you need to look at Robles as well. What reaction does he have knowing he kicked some arse yesterday only to be immediately benched again? In my opinion, this action is akin to benching Naisy directly following his hat trick against Chelsea - I'm very glad that didn't happen. For that matter, how did Joel feel last season when he kept three (3) clean sheets in a row only to be immediately by benched again when Howard came back from injury? I totally get that TH is still the number one, but RM needs to start thinking of the future as well here - Tim is clearly on his way out - that cannot be disputed - based on age and performance. Maybe one more full season left? Then what? Robles did a great job yesterday, as well as keeping three clean sheets last season - what more does RM need/want from Robles? Bottom line is that if we are worried about confidence levels right now, I think Robles might feel he just got a kick in the teeth. When you look at the goals we have conceded against Liverpool, United, and Arsenal, you see a pattern. My prediction for the Sunderland match was a loss 2-3, just based on the trend of our goalkeeper along with some shoddy defending. The goals we have conceded have not exactly been superb strikes a la Messi or Ronaldo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Why does no one consider Joel? He did a great job standing in last year. Just needs a run of games under his belt, and he'll be excellent. Bingo! That's it right there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Bingo! That's it right there! Yup. I do believe Joel has what it takes to be a great keeper for several years. It's the transition over which we disagree. In the end, neither one of us can see the complete picture. Those making the decisions can, so I would hope Roberto will manage it okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) He couldn't catch a cold and he is more scared of crosses than Dracula........... decent beard though Joel is the same without the beard! Edited October 29, 2015 by barryj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 http://www.espnfc.us/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/2688636/leicester-players-make-their-own-pizza-following-clean-sheet maybe RM should offer this to the team, maybe Howard will play better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 http://www.espnfc.us/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/2688636/leicester-players-make-their-own-pizza-following-clean-sheet maybe RM should offer this to the team, maybe Howard will play better Maybe he can offer to buy wigs instead of pizza? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Martinez on Howard's criticism: "His role on the pitch is much more important than his individual performance" Again, what does that mean? He talks so much shite at times. Is he saying I don't care if he makes 2/3 mistakes a game (individual performance) but he's 36, experienced and therefore has a huge input on our younger lads?? Again, this is utter bullshit. Edited October 30, 2015 by Geth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Basically that he's a leader or something... all and well saying that but if that's the case you'd still have Phil neville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Basically that he's a leader or something... all and well saying that but if that's the case you'd still have Phil neville.Or put Neville Southall back in there!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Mr Martinez is being told what to do, he hates that. Even if it is common sense. Let's hope it's not going to be another long hard lesson learned. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Basically that he's a leader or something... all and well saying that but if that's the case you'd still have Phil neville. He doesn't communicate and he doesn't lead by example, so I'm not sure in what way Martinez could see him as a leader! Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/roberto-martinez-explains-tim-howard-10359050 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I hope that RM is sandbagging us in an effort to keep Tim's confidence high. He's the starter until he isn't and if he lets in a soft goal, maybe RM takes him at halftime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/roberto-martinez-explains-tim-howard-10359050 So, we have a take no responsibility culture at Everton instead. Lovely. That'll be why we keep making the same mistakes over and fucking over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/roberto-martinez-explains-tim-howard-10359050if it was one mistake, even a handful, I agree. But it's just not, and when you've got a player showing form instead, that player should be given the same opportunity; play them until the mistakes require a change. Sorry, Roberto, this is just bad management. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Second most mistakes in Europe last year. Hard to argue he should be in the squad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Martinez on Howard's criticism: "His role on the pitch is much more important than his individual performance" Again, what does that mean? He talks so much shite at times. Is he saying I don't care if he makes 2/3 mistakes a game (individual performance) but he's 36, experienced and therefore has a huge input on our younger lads?? Again, this is utter bullshit. May be he meticulously repairs all the divots in the penalty areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 The other bizarre thing is that he talks about wanting ":experience" in the back (Jags, Howard, etc)......well guess who gave away some shit balls and cost us goals over the past few matches? I love Jags but does experience override errors, therefore costing us points? Its a flawed policy and it really means nothing, because you could have all young lads in the back (Stones, Galloway, Joel) and no doubt keep a clean sheet, or close to it, yet have little "experience". I gotta say this - Mourinho is a total clown these days in so many ways - but at least he has the balls to pull out his supposed stars like Hazard, Terry when they play like shit. Experience is a non starter in some cases, but Martinez is SO damn inflexible at times. How many shit games did Barry have last season yet graced us with his supposed invaluable "experience"? Go ahead Howard, make us all eat crow and start defending for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) I'm one of Martinez' biggest backers, and obviously I like Howard because he plays for the USA, but Howard doesn't deserve to be the number 1 anymore sadly. I just don't understand what Martinez is really trying to do. We really don't know that Joel is any better than Howard, but Joel has earned it -- mainly through good play but also because of Howard's ability dropping. Edited October 31, 2015 by TonkaRoost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10051094/tim-howard-everton-goalkeeper-not-shaken-by-critics Being good in the past doesn't mean being at fault now doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10051094/tim-howard-everton-goalkeeper-not-shaken-by-critics Being good in the past doesn't mean being at fault now doesn't matter. He comes across as an arrogant prick in that interview. 'Body of work' speaks for itself?! Who does he think he is? David Bowie. His legs have gone, as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) He comes across as an arrogant prick in that interview. 'Body of work' speaks for itself?! Who does he think he is? David Bowie. His legs have gone, as simple as that. Not only that, but what is he actually saying there? Its all fluff, no substance. No mention of accountability or wanting to try harder for the good of the team. I am pretty much finished with this guy at this point. He alludes to the fact that the "hard" teams have come and gone, and now is the easy part ("We played all the top teams...."). Let's see what happens when he faces chaps like Vardy, Mahrez, Payet, etc. I'm sure that's gonna be a cakewalk. Edited November 1, 2015 by chalkpie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 He comes across as an arrogant prick in that interview. 'Body of work' speaks for itself?! Who does he think he is? David Bowie. His legs have gone, as simple as that. Lol haf one of your better zingers on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Lol haf one of your better zingers on here. I'm all for confidence and mental strength but FFS he has cost us 5 points already this season and as chalk says there is no sign of apology. Under a manager like SAF he would get fucked off. I've been a big supporter of Tims but for me his attitude has been questionable. I particularly thought his approach to the national team was poor. "I'm ready to play for you again, give me the number 1, thanks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 400th game today apparently, hoping he makes it one to remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Not having to talk about him will suit me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'm all for confidence and mental strength but FFS he has cost us 5 points already this season and as chalk says there is no sign of apology. Under a manager like SAF he would get fucked off. I've been a big supporter of Tims but for me his attitude has been questionable. I particularly thought his approach to the national team was poor. "I'm ready to play for you again, give me the number 1, thanks" He was already under SAF and was fucked off that's why we have him. Honestly an injury to him wouldn't be the worst Thing in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I know he's had a rough 12 months but considering the time he has served us he deserves a lot more respect than he is getting. Some of the comments coming out here and are Twatter are really pissing me off. Fed up of him playing? Blame the manager for being too gutless to drop a senior player who's not up to it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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