Brexit...

[holystove]

2 hours ago, Palfy said:

Anyway who’s up for a civil war to once and for all put the brexit debate to bed for good, and the more that die the more houseing will become affordable I new I should have been a politician. 

You can't take credit for the civil war idea. Farage already said months ago he'd pick up a rifle if Brexit is thwarted.

[MikeO]

5 minutes ago, holystove said:

You can't take credit for the civil war idea. Farage already said months ago he'd pick up a rifle if Brexit is thwarted.

He wouldn't which end to hold, so that's something I'd pay to see.

[johnh]

On 09/06/2018 at 21:11, pete0 said:

120,000 murders so far and counting. All involved should be held accountable. 

 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html%3famp

The study was based on stats for the period 2010-2014.  This wasn't a Tory government, it was a coalition and it could be argued that Cameron was a bigger Liberal than Clegg. The fact is, that the need for austerity was solely due to the fact that Labour screwed the economy, as have every Labour government since the war. This time, they left the epitaph for all Labour governments in writing.  When the Coalition took over the Treasury they found a note which said 'There is no money left'.  Memories do appear to be short.

[rubecula]

1 hour ago, holystove said:

You can't take credit for the civil war idea. Farage already said months ago he'd pick up a rifle if Brexit is thwarted.

I want an SLR like we used to have. (or I am not taking part) 

[MikeO]

52 minutes ago, johnh said:

The study was based on stats for the period 2010-2014.  This wasn't a Tory government, it was a coalition and it could be argued that Cameron was a bigger Liberal than Clegg.

If it'd been a Tory government the numbers would be higher, LD's curbed their worst excesses but by the skewed logic of the tabloids they were (as the minority party) blamed for everything that went wrong in those years. Might as well blame the DUP for the clusterfuck we currently find ourselves in.

[johnh]

18 minutes ago, MikeO said:

If it'd been a Tory government the numbers would be higher, LD's curbed their worst excesses but by the skewed logic of the tabloids they were (as the minority party) blamed for everything that went wrong in those years. Might as well blame the DUP for the clusterfuck we currently find ourselves in.

If it'd been a Tory government the numbers would be higher?  Mike, have you been on the sauce? Can't think I have ever seen such an illogical post from you.

[Palfy]

2 hours ago, johnh said:

The study was based on stats for the period 2010-2014.  This wasn't a Tory government, it was a coalition and it could be argued that Cameron was a bigger Liberal than Clegg. The fact is, that the need for austerity was solely due to the fact that Labour screwed the economy, as have every Labour government since the war. This time, they left the epitaph for all Labour governments in writing.  When the Coalition took over the Treasury they found a note which said 'There is no money left'.  Memories do appear to be short.

So the Tories come up with the idea let's kill as many as possible that will help the austerity program, based on the less amount of people needing the service the less the cost

[MikeO]

1 hour ago, johnh said:

If it'd been a Tory government the numbers would be higher?  Mike, have you been on the sauce? Can't think I have ever seen such an illogical post from you.

If the Tories had been left to their own devices the austerity measures would have been harsher in my view, resulting in the number of avoidable deaths being higher than 120,000. I don't see how that's illogical, liberals holding a bit of influence over a right wing party would logically lead to slightly more "liberal" government would it not? Maybe you've bitten the bullet and hit the sauce yourself in search of your debut hangover.

[Matt]

14 hours ago, holystove said:

You can't take credit for the civil war idea. Farage already said months ago he'd pick up a rifle if Brexit is thwarted.

Really?! That’d be hilarious. 

[Matt]

13 hours ago, johnh said:

The study was based on stats for the period 2010-2014.  This wasn't a Tory government, it was a coalition and it could be argued that Cameron was a bigger Liberal than Clegg. The fact is, that the need for austerity was solely due to the fact that Labour screwed the economy, as have every Labour government since the war. This time, they left the epitaph for all Labour governments in writing.  When the Coalition took over the Treasury they found a note which said 'There is no money left'.  Memories do appear to be short.

Short indeed. There was a global crash, Labour was not to blame for that. 

[holystove]

On 24/05/2018 at 10:51, holystove said:

It's interesting to see what a lot of these Brexiteers think the financial consequences of Brexit will be by looking at what they do with their own money or what advice they give to their clients.  (See John Redwood, etc).  

Moggster

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-investment-vehicle-linked-to-hardline-brexiteer-rees-mogg-warns-of-brexit-risks-1.3529280?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

[MikeO]

35 minutes ago, holystove said:

Moggster

The most incredible thing I think about Rees-Mogg is that he has six children, which means his wife must have had sex with him at least six times! It must be such a formal occasion, "I say Helena would you mind awfully if I inserted my thingy in your unmentionable parts? One has an urge" to which Helena replies, "If you really must but I'm reading an extremely interesting article in Horse and Hound so could you kindly approach me from behind so as not to interrupt my perusal? Let me know when you've finished".

[Romey 1878]

12 minutes ago, MikeO said:

The most incredible thing I think about Rees-Mogg is that he has six children, which means his wife must have had sex with him at least six times! It must be such a formal occasion, "I say Helena would you mind awfully if I inserted my thingy in your unmentionable parts? One has an urge" to which Helena replies, "If you really must but I'm reading an extremely interesting article in Horse and Hound so could you kindly approach me from behind so as not to interrupt my perusal? Let me know when you've finished".

I find it incredible that he’s such a massive cunt and yet so many people like him. 

[MikeO]

1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:

I find it incredible that he’s such a massive cunt and yet so many people like him. 

Do people like him though? He's such a throwback I can't imagine what societal group he could possibly appeal to.

[Romey 1878]

Just now, MikeO said:

Do people like him though? He's such a throwback I can't imagine what societal group he could possibly appeal to.

Trust me, he has a fan club. It’s baffling. 

[MikeO]

2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Trust me, he has a fan club. It’s baffling. 

He has a face and demeanour that just begs to be punched every time I see him.....and I've never punched anyone (regulated aside) in my life.

[Matt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44474661

[Palfy]

23 hours ago, MikeO said:

If the Tories had been left to their own devices the austerity measures would have been harsher in my view, resulting in the number of avoidable deaths being higher than 120,000. I don't see how that's illogical, liberals holding a bit of influence over a right wing party would logically lead to slightly more "liberal" government would it not? Maybe you've bitten the bullet and hit the sauce yourself in search of your debut hangover.

The Liberals if the truth be known probably forced the Tories to come up with more money than they wanted to, the nasty bastards.

[Palfy]

2 hours ago, MikeO said:

He has a face and demeanour that just begs to be punched every time I see him.....and I've never punched anyone (regulated aside) in my life.

When the civil war starts he's mine

[rubecula]

5 hours ago, MikeO said:

The most incredible thing I think about Rees-Mogg is that he has six children, which means his wife must have had sex with him at least six times! It must be such a formal occasion, "I say Helena would you mind awfully if I inserted my thingy in your unmentionable parts? One has an urge" to which Helena replies, "If you really must but I'm reading an extremely interesting article in Horse and Hound so could you kindly approach me from behind so as not to interrupt my perusal? Let me know when you've finished".

maybe she had sextuplets ? a bit like pigs do …. 

[holystove]

12 hours ago, MikeO said:

He has a face and demeanour that just begs to be punched every time I see him.....and I've never punched anyone (regulated aside) in my life.

He says to your face that everything will be OK and exactly the same and anyone who says otherwise is Project Fear, while at the same time moving his and his clients' money to the EU.. How does that not make your blood curdle? 

Maybe brexit can be a success in the end, I don't see it but I don't know.. but you can guarantee failure with hypocrites like him (and BJ) leading the way.

[Chach]

 

[MikeO]

Mrs May two years ago...

"So, if we do vote to leave the European Union, we risk bringing the development of the single market to a halt, we risk a loss of investors and businesses to remaining EU member states driven by discriminatory EU policies, and we risk going backwards when it comes to international trade."

Today...

 "Today's votes show people in the UK, and to the EU, that the elected representatives in this country are getting on with the job, and delivering on the will of the British people."

How can someone so fundamentally opposed to a course of action be left in charge of it? 

[Ghoat]

Assuming she is genuine (huge assumption I know), I wish more politicians would do that. "Here's what we should do - " and then when the public he/she represents says "no fuck you, we want this" then they should shut up and do the will of the people they are elected to represent, period.  That's super rare over here, not sure about in the UK.

I like this thread, because I'm still trying to wrap my head around what all Brexit actually entails. I don't know enough to contribute anything worthwhile to the actual topic, but the viewpoints are interesting. 

[rubecula]

• She is Prime Minister it is her job to do the will of the people,  If we had voted to remain she would have followed those dictates too.  I do not envy her for the position she is in right now.  Political enemies everywhere ready to shove the knife in and twist it.    Mind you she is a Tory so she does not deserve sympathy,  yes I am not envious of her situation just now at all.

[Palfy]

That's fine saying she is carrying out the will of the people if that was just the case then leave, no need to argue and thrash out how we still stay in some of E.U policies that suit our needs and ditch those that don't. The people voted for leave and to me that means everything but that isn'tt happening, and the reason is in the cold light of day with more information on what leave actually looks like even a good percentage of leave voters are regretting the way they voted if the poles are to be believed.

Our exist now is going to be based on the far right wing of the Conservative party and what they want and a Prime minister who has no power in her own party and constantly gives into the far right rather than have the embarrassment of being ousted.

That is why any deal this sham of a government come up with needs to be put before the people and agreed on by the people, and we can't let them hide behind the argument we were only doing the people's will, it's to big a decision for me to allow people I don't trust to have the final say on how we leave, when the hardened leavers of the Conservative party are moving their funds abroad surely the simplest of people can see that there is something drastically going wrong with leave.

[rubecula]

12 hours ago, Ghoat said:

Assuming she is genuine (huge assumption I know), I wish more politicians would do that. "Here's what we should do - " and then when the public he/she represents says "no fuck you, we want this" then they should shut up and do the will of the people they are elected to represent, period.  That's super rare over here, not sure about in the UK.

I like this thread, because I'm still trying to wrap my head around what all Brexit actually entails. I don't know enough to contribute anything worthwhile to the actual topic, but the viewpoints are interesting. 

I think it is fair to say that Most folks on here are remainers (want to stay as part of the EU)  so it is possible you may see some of them having a go at me for voting to leave the EU which I freely admit to.  Basically just watch this space.  The subject is very emotive over here.  The Remainers want to throw out the results of the referendum and do it all again until they get the result they want,  The Leavers (Brexiteers) want to shut up shop and barricade themselves in...….  no none of that is true but the more aggressive posters of either persuasion would have you thinking so.  Personal insults may be thrown about and some more acerbic sarcasm may come to the fore, so for your own mental health  do not express an opinion 

Apart from that enjoy the show,  I can not think of anything I have missed out 

[Palfy]

1 hour ago, rubecula said:

I think it is fair to say that Most folks on here are remainers (want to stay as part of the EU)  so it is possible you may see some of them having a go at me for voting to leave the EU which I freely admit to.  Basically just watch this space.  The subject is very emotive over here.  The Remainers want to throw out the results of the referendum and do it all again until they get the result they want,  The Leavers (Brexiteers) want to shut up shop and barricade themselves in...….  no none of that is true but the more aggressive posters of either persuasion would have you thinking so.  Personal insults may be thrown about and some more acerbic sarcasm may come to the fore, so for your own mental health  do not express an opinion 

Apart from that enjoy the show,  I can not think of anything I have missed out 

Well the vote we had was very close on here so I don't think most are remainers, it is very emotive and with good reason the same could be said for Americans should those who didn't vote for Trump shut up and except what's happening, no they shouldn't same as remainers our role is to make sure we get a good deal what's the problem with that.

[MikeO]

12 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Well the vote we had was very close on here

It was actually quite a majority for "out" on referendum day, the fact that people have changed their vote or voted remain after the deed was done is quite interesting (very small sample of people I know).

[Ghoat]

I have certainly noticed that it has many similarities to Trump's economic policies here in the US. There isn'tt a lot of middle ground, -you are clearly either an isolationist who doesn't care about the world/ patriot who wants self-determination or you are a humanitarian who values the well being of nations/socialist who doesn't care about your county. So yeah it arouses some heated "discussions" to say the least!