MC11 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Another wally with a brolly. That was one of the worst performances I've ever seen. Not taking anything away from Iceland because they were terrific. Rooney and Kane, Cahill, Hart and Sturridge were disgraceful. What next? Just realise we really are a broken nation in terms of football talent - we're well behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Daniel Taylor DTguardian This is a long speech, and it won't have been written by Hodgson. Nice work by FA media dept to rattle it out so quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Can't you just tell the look of steely determination in this man's face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Can't you just tell the look of steely determination in this man's face? Hahahaha seriously if he's the best we've got were really in the shit!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) Barkley didn't really deserve game time IMO. I was praying he wouldnt bring him on because the clock would have been ran down immensely with him on the ball. Another player who needs a boot up the arse Edited June 27, 2016 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Another wally with a brolly. That was one of the worst performances I've ever seen. Not taking anything away from Iceland because they were terrific. Rooney and Kane, Cahill, Hart and Sturridge were disgraceful. What next? Just realise we really are a broken nation in terms of football talent - we're well behind. Wales can do it. Ireland came close. Northern Ireland fought like tigers. England has way more talent on their books than these three teams combined. It's not about a lack of talented players; it's about the importance of being a committed team - as if Leicester wasn't a big enough example. In Britain, we no longer view international games as important. Players see international games as a distraction. The England manager is basically whoever is left after the Premier and Championship leagues have made their choices. The international breaks are squeezed in as an afterthought, and the media expect the big stars to play no matter whether they gel as a team or not. What England need is an anti-establishment figure who'll demand what's needed to forge a team - upsetting a lot of people along the way. It's not just England, by the way. Spain suffer to some extent from the same problem, except that many of their players play on the same club team. It's why the minnows are doing well; they sense the apathy in the big-name teams. The age of national teams is drawing to a close. The next step is inevitably a European super-league. In a decade's time, international will mean the winners of the European, North American, South American, African, and Asian super-leagues playing in a knockout tourney. markjazzbassist and MC11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Well done to Iceland two piss poor goals to concede and we simply didn't turn up but they stuck to it and deserved to win Their keeper composed their Eurovision song and the manager is a dentist.. I hope that hits home with some of those half arsed wankers tonight probably the worst performance I've seen the only good is the pigeon has resigned Heard rumours already of Southgate if he's the best we've got to offer it's despairingly worrying markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Wales can do it. Ireland came close. Northern Ireland fought like tigers. England has way more talent on their books than these three teams combined. It's not about a lack of talented players; it's about the importance of being a committed team - as if Leicester wasn't a big enough example. In Britain, we no longer view international games as important. Players see international games as a distraction. The England manager is basically whoever is left after the Premier and Championship leagues have made their choices. The international breaks are squeezed in as an afterthought, and the media expect the big stars to play no matter whether they gel as a team or not. What England need is an anti-establishment figure who'll demand what's needed to forge a team - upsetting a lot of people along the way. It's not just England, by the way. Spain suffer to some extent from the same problem, except that many of their players play on the same club team. It's why the minnows are doing well; they sense the apathy in the big-name teams. The age of national teams is drawing to a close. The next step is inevitably a European super-league. In a decade's time, international will mean the winners of the European, North American, South American, African, and Asian super-leagues playing in a knockout tourney. Good post Steve fully agree I would say we need a manager along with a real leader on the pitch to change that mentality Who would be most people's choice to step into ballbag faces shoe's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 On a side note how good did rashford look? I thought it was a mistake taking Sterling off for Vardy. Harry Kane proved tonight he's a pretty useless footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Interesting to note that, even though England dominated possession, Iceland had more shots on target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Looked lively but was hardly going to have much of an impact with six minutes left and panic setting in, he should have come on earlier Vardy for Kane Rashford for Sterling and move Sturridge centrally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Interesting to note that, even though England dominated possession, Iceland had more shots on target.Roberto is still free isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) This is what passion is all about... https://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2016/jun/23/commentator-gumundur-benediktssong-iceland-austria-euro-2016-video Edited June 27, 2016 by Cornish Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Thank fuck he's gone. Absolute disaster of a modern day football manager. Awful, just awful. Just hope it isn't Southgate. I'll throw a fucking chair at someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 "Now is the time for someone else to oversee the progress of a hungry and extremely talented group of players. They have done fantastically, and done everything asked of them." Which was exactly....nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Well, Kane looks anything but international standard right now. Alli isn't far behind. It just looks a bit too early for them tbh. I think Alli will grow into though, Kane I'm not too sure about and think it just might be a step too far for him. The one positive of neither of our lads getting game time is that the media can't place this disgrace on them like they did with Baines and Jags after the WC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 For the entire qualifying campaign Barkley was the one shining star, wasn't even given 15 minutes!^ this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Gary Lineker "The worst defeat in our history. England beaten by a country with more volcanoes than professional footballers. Well played Iceland" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 What puzzles me was his blind faith in Ali, Kane and Sterling who were utterly shit all tournament and when he needed to change it he brought on Wilshire who has barely kicked a ball for 2 years. My 9 year old could see he was miles off the pace!! Predictable, stale, flat, devoid of ideas. Utterly awful. The only blessing to last night is we would have been hammered by France. Get Ross back home where he belongs. Shocking mis-management by Hodgeson the man is a buffoon Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) Woy Hodgson was the highest paid national manager of all. To be fair, rotating players can make sense in a league competition, but not in a tournament. Teams who do well have all 23 players knowing exactly what their roles are and being at peace with that. Iceland isn't rotating at all for instance, but Italy hardly rotates either, same for Wales. (Italy's game vs Ireland doesn't count, they were already group winners and rested their first team for the Spain game) Not only do those teams win, they also leave impressions and perform above what everyone estimated them to perform like. Sometimes it can be clear: you don't rotate. Edited June 28, 2016 by Mirallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Woy Hodgson was the highest paid national manager of all. To be fair, rotating players can make sense in a league competition, but not in a tournament. Teams who do well have all 23 players knowing exactly what their roles are and being at peace with that. Iceland isn't rotating at all for instance, but Italy hardly rotates either, same for Wales. (Italy's game vs Ireland doesn't count, they were already group winners and rested their first team for the Spain game) Not only do those teams win, they also leave impressions and perform above what everyone estimated them to perform like. Sometimes it can be clear: you don't rotate. Hodgson rotated because the dick head still didn't know his best team, even after all this time! Do you know why? Because he kept picking under-performing players and playing players out of position and then wondered why we still looked like a pile of shit. We desperately need a manager who will pick a formation and then pick the players that are the best for the positions. If there are three great candidates for one position then you pick the best ONE of them and their back-up. You do not pick all three and find a way to squeeze them into a line-up. Who gives a shit if you upset one (or two of them)? It's better than upsetting the balance of the whole side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Woy Hodgson was the highest paid national manager of all. To be fair, rotating players can make sense in a league competition, but not in a tournament. Teams who do well have all 23 players knowing exactly what their roles are and being at peace with that. Iceland isn't rotating at all for instance, but Italy hardly rotates either, same for Wales. (Italy's game vs Ireland doesn't count, they were already group winners and rested their first team for the Spain game) Not only do those teams win, they also leave impressions and perform above what everyone estimated them to perform like. Sometimes it can be clear: you don't rotate. Not rotating is all well and good if you're winning games. Italy are playing well and winning, Iceland don't have the quality to rotate. England failed to win arguably one of the easiest groups, they were dreadful, players were underperforming. If that's the case you remove the players who are letting the team down and replace them with equally as good players. To persist with a team that is struggling is just arrogant and stupid. It has been roven by England this tournament. We got knocked out by Iceland, failed to beat Slovakia and an absolutely shite Russian side and got lucky with a last minute goal against Wales. Hodgesons demise was all down to him not replacing underperforming favourites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) Unbelievable. Edited June 28, 2016 by Mirallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Unbelievable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfIDJqrL0MQ Why? Theyre not English. There's always been rivalry between British countries. Plus you (we) don't know what was said by English players / manager after the English win in the group stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Why? Theyre not English. There's always been rivalry between British countries. Plus you (we) don't know what was said by English players / manager after the English win in the group stage. That's a pig's mentality, mate. Whoever is involved ought to put themselves above such things and they didn't. Utterly tasteless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 When you think about it, the minnows Iceland gave us a goal start and still beat us. England are clueless how to play against teams that park the bus. We don't have anyone up front who can win a header, so high crosses just give possession away. On the odd occasion the opposition attack in numbers and we get possession, instead of breaking quickly while they are short of numbers at the back (see Germany) we just pass it backwards and sideways with the sole purpose of 'keeping possession (Hodgson's mantra) while the opposition have all the time in the world to jog back and get eleven behind the ball. All our shots from outside the area go over the bar. Also, did anyone notice that Kane, (Hodgson's 'best' dead ball kicker) screwed up nearly every free kick he took. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 That's a pig's mentality, mate. Whoever is involved ought to put themselves above such things and they didn't. Utterly tasteless. As much as I love it as a Welshman whoever that's leaked that to twitter is an idiot. I think it's brilliant they celebrated like that as it's what every Welsh fan did but if you're part of the national team then you have to be a bit more professional than that and keep it to themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 A petition with a million signatures so far is demanding that the England v Iceland game is replayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsy Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Barkley never got a game because he occasionally "gives the ball away". Unlike Sturridge and Kane who regularly gave the ball back to the opposition goalkeeper every time they hoofed it into the stands Absolutely spot on!!! Same with stones, yes he sometimes mucks up but Jesus there was some woeful defending by smalling yet he still gets picked!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Barkley never got a game because he occasionally "gives the ball away". Unlike Sturridge and Kane who regularly gave the ball back to the opposition goalkeeper every time they hoofed it into the stands Rooney gave the ball away more than anyone else. The Telegraph gave marks out of ten for each player. Three players got the top mark of 5. Couldn't believe that one of them was Sturridge! I would have given him 3 at best, I thought he was totally ineffective for the whole game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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