Steve Walsh (Director of football)

[Matt]

2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i'm not willing to give walsh another year to see if they come good, as is right now his scouting and transfers have been net negative, and that's not ok.  he needs to leave.

Me neither, I'm just not judging those 2 player specifically. I agree with most of the rest you posted.

[Gwlad]

He has that appearance that I know I'd dislike him if I met him.

[nogs]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/mar/23/young-players-barcelona-manchester-city-psg-borussia-dortmund

Whatever Walsh is paid to do, it should be this. If Dortmund are a 'second tier' club, then I hate to think what tier our recruitment over the past two years belong to. 

Anyone who thinks Moshiri has the cash to spend our way back to glory is deluding themselves. There has to be a model for growth both on the field and financially, and it isn'tt what we are doing at present. Unearthing exciting young talent that can put us back into European contention has to be the priority, if we then sell them for a huge profit, so what? We keep doing it until we can afford to but more of the finished article. Its what Spurs managed to do spotting the likes of Bale and Modric early - they qualified for the Champions League, and then the profits they made on those players set them up for a decade. I've seen nothing so far to suggest Walsh is capable of doing that job, I fully expect to be disappointed by this summers transfer activities, and I see him as a major problem in us getting to where we all want to be. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5583847/Everton-weigh-potential-partnership-Marcel-Brands-Steve-Walsh.html

[markjazzbassist]

Just what we need, more confusion within the power hierarchy and muddled decisions.  Either sack Walsh or demote him to scouting, this sounds almost like moshiri is patronizing him.

[Hafnia]

4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Just what we need, more confusion within the power hierarchy and muddled decisions.  Either sack Walsh or demote him to scouting, this sounds almost like moshiri is patronizing him.

The way i see it is he is basically making walsh report to brands.   

Walsh can go around doing what he does but ultimately brands makes the decisions.... if Walsh doesnt like it he can walk.... case for constructive dismissal maybe. 

[Aidan]

1 hour ago, hafnia said:

The way i see it is he is basically making walsh report to brands.   

Walsh can go around doing what he does but ultimately brands makes the decisions.... if Walsh doesnt like it he can walk.... case for constructive dismissal maybe. 

It's business isn'tt it? If you don't do you job someone else will take your place. Makes sense to me 

[Romey 1878]

5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Just what we need, more confusion within the power hierarchy and muddled decisions.  Either sack Walsh or demote him to scouting, this sounds almost like moshiri is patronizing him.

This.

We're muddled enough as it is without now having two voices at this level of recruitment.

[Gwlad]

Just when you think the DOF role couldn't get more shambolic.

[Hafnia]

I don't see the issue.... Walsh may well be a decent scout.  A DOF role may place too much on him.

If we are paying up his contract them just utilise him as a specialist scout in France or wherever it is he has a good network. Brands will be the decision maker. 

[markjazzbassist]

1 hour ago, hafnia said:

I don't see the issue.... Walsh may well be a decent scout.  A DOF role may place too much on him.

If we are paying up his contract them just utilise him as a specialist scout in France or wherever it is he has a good network. Brands will be the decision maker. 

the article is saying one would be a technical director or sporting director (Brands) and the other the DOF (Walsh) and both report to moshiri.  that would be making a position held my 1 person at other clubs, held by 2 here.  he's essentially splitting it.

 

if he was demoted to scout and just scouted and reported to Brands, i'm fine with that.  but that's not what the article says.

[Hafnia]

34 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

the article is saying one would be a technical director or sporting director (Brands) and the other the DOF (Walsh) and both report to moshiri.  that would be making a position held my 1 person at other clubs, held by 2 here.  he's essentially splitting it.

 

if he was demoted to scout and just scouted and reported to Brands, i'm fine with that.  but that's not what the article says.

Ah yeah. No partnerships.... one person that's it. 

[Quinn31]

3 hours ago, hafnia said:

I don't see the issue.... Walsh may well be a decent scout.  A DOF role may place too much on him.

If we are paying up his contract them just utilise him as a specialist scout in France or wherever it is he has a good network. Brands will be the decision maker. 

Having a skill and being useful in that skilled role is completely different to managing folks with those skills. 

 

[jofanon]

Spine down the middle of the team and all that...

Pickford great

Tosun I think will be great

So missing central mid and central defender

[Paddock]

Tosun was an Allerdyce signing. Walsh has had an absolute mare here. He needs fucking off in the summer or moving to a scout.

[Bailey]

6 hours ago, Paddock said:

Tosun was an Allerdyce signing. Walsh has had an absolute mare here. He needs fucking off in the summer or moving to a scout.

No Tosun was a Walsh signing, Bill confirmed as much in the AGM or whatever it was. Walsh and Mohsiri watched him in the CL before Koeman was sacked. It just happens that Allardyce had tried to get him at Palace as well. 

[Paddock]

13 hours ago, Bailey said:

No Tosun was a Walsh signing, Bill confirmed as much in the AGM or whatever it was. Walsh and Mohsiri watched him in the CL before Koeman was sacked. It just happens that Allardyce had tried to get him at Palace as well. 

Tosun himself said he was 98% done to Palace when Allerdyce was manager so Allerdyce had tried to sign him previously. 

[Bailey]

7 hours ago, Paddock said:

Tosun himself said he was 98% done to Palace when Allerdyce was manager so Allerdyce had tried to sign him previously. 

I dont deny that but Walsh wanted him before Allardyce was here and its widely accredited that he did the all the dealings. I don' see how you can't claim that this isnt a big success for Walsh?

[seve]

I would hold fire on the term big success,a long way and a couple of years before he reaches those levels.

Dont forget to back out Sam in the national

[Bailey]

3 minutes ago, seve said:

I would hold fire on the term big success,a long way and a couple of years before he reaches those levels.

Dont forget to back out Sam in the national

That's true but it' therefore also too early to write off his other signings.

[markjazzbassist]

23 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I dont deny that but Walsh wanted him before Allardyce was here and its widely accredited that he did the all the dealings. I don' see how you can't claim that this isnt a big success for Walsh?

same way people say martina was a koeman and not walsh signing.  either every signing since he's been here is on him, or we parse them out.  can't have it both ways.  so is martina a walsh signing?

[Bailey]

23 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

same way people say martina was a koeman and not walsh signing.  either every signing since he's been here is on him, or we parse them out.  can't have it both ways.  so is martina a walsh signing?

I have no evidence to say one way or another but there is plenty on Google for Walsh and Tosun.

My opinion is that as Martina was bought by a side managed by Koeman twice, I would consider it highly likely Koeman was the driving force. 

[markjazzbassist]

3 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I have no evidence to say one way or another but there is plenty on Google for Walsh and Tosun.

My opinion is that as Martina was bought by a side managed by Koeman twice, I would consider it highly likely Koeman was the driving force. 

exactly what i though, whatever bailey thinks is what it should be.  if martina is on koeman, tosun is on sam.  of course walsh will say it's his, he's fighting for his job!  he would take credit for fellaini if he thought people would fall for it.

[pete0]

48 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I dont deny that but Walsh wanted him before Allardyce was here and its widely accredited that he did the all the dealings. I don' see how you can't claim that this isnt a big success for Walsh?

Walsh scouted him this season, as he would have 100s of other players, that pocky suggestd he was on his radar whereas Alladyce nearly signed him for Palace and if he had we'd have missed the boat thanks to Walsh being behind the curve. Sure one of the links on here had that Tosun credited Alladyce for talking to him on the phone convincing him to come? 

[Bailey]

On 4/12/2018 at 16:58, markjazzbassist said:

exactly what i though, whatever bailey thinks is what it should be.  if martina is on koeman, tosun is on sam.  of course walsh will say it's his, he's fighting for his job!  he would take credit for fellaini if he thought people would fall for it.

What? Google it pal, there is evidence all over the internet and none of it came from Walsh. It was all outside sources, including Bill Kenwright. They have said that the manager suggests players and Walsh also suggests players and then they get together and work it out from there.

All the evidence suggests that Walsh wanted Tosun and therefore Pad's post slagging off Walsh for Tosun being a Allardyce signing isnt true. I dont doubt Allardyce wanted him as well, that is also highly suggested by the evidence. There are plenty of holes to poke into Walsh but you cant use Tosun as one. 

On 4/12/2018 at 17:11, pete0 said:

Walsh scouted him this season, as he would have 100s of other players, that pocky suggestd he was on his radar whereas Alladyce nearly signed him for Palace and if he had we'd have missed the boat thanks to Walsh being behind the curve. Sure one of the links on here had that Tosun credited Alladyce for talking to him on the phone convincing him to come? 

I doubt he would have scouted a player alongside Mohsiri unless they were very serious. I presume Tosun would have possibly signed for Allardyce last January so Walsh would have been in the job for 6 months and who knows Koeman might not have wanted him, especially as we had Lukaku at the time. That doesnt excuse not coming in for him during the summer though but there could also be reasons for that. Its all maybe this, maybe that but what we do know is that Walsh played a big part in bringing Tosun to the club.

[Paddock]

On 13/04/2018 at 21:34, Bailey said:

What? Google it pal, there is evidence all over the internet and none of it came from Walsh. It was all outside sources, including Bill Kenwright. They have said that the manager suggests players and Walsh also suggests players and then they get together and work it out from there.

All the evidence suggests that Walsh wanted Tosun and therefore Pad's post slagging off Walsh for Tosun being a Allardyce signing isnt true. I dont doubt Allardyce wanted him as well, that is also highly suggested by the evidence. There are plenty of holes to poke into Walsh but you cant use Tosun as one. 

I doubt he would have scouted a player alongside Mohsiri unless they were very serious. I presume Tosun would have possibly signed for Allardyce last January so Walsh would have been in the job for 6 months and who knows Koeman might not have wanted him, especially as we had Lukaku at the time. That doesnt excuse not coming in for him during the summer though but there could also be reasons for that. Its all maybe this, maybe that but what we do know is that Walsh played a big part in bringing Tosun to the club.

I never slagged Walsh off over Tosun- what are you talking about? I said Walsh has had a nightmare since he arrived and should be either moved aside or let go. I said Tosun is an Allerdyce recommendation and I stand by that. If he was going to sign for Palace 3 seasons ago then that suggests to me Allerdyce has brought the player to our attention and Walsh has watched him and given his approval. Either way we’ll never know but to categorically say that he is all on Walsh isn’t right. 

There’s a comment for the player himself to say he was going to sign for Allerdyce 2 or 3 years previous long before Walsh was at Everton.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-linking-up-super-agent-12363508

[nogs]

1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-linking-up-super-agent-12363508

 

Moshiri is determined that if he throws enough money at the problem, it will go away. We'll have Balotelli playing here next season. 

[Bailey]

On 11/04/2018 at 13:23, Paddock said:

Tosun was an Allerdyce signing. Walsh has had an absolute mare here. He needs fucking off in the summer or moving to a scout.

Pad maybe I misunderstood when you meant here. I thought you meant with the Tosun signing but now I presume you mea n at Eveton generally? 

Believe what you want but Tosun was lined up whilst Koeman was here. I don' deny that Allardyce might have come in and given it he double thumbs up but you can' just write off Walsh's part in the transfer because he scouted him, negotiated and got him over the line which is his duty as DoF. 

[Palfy]

I've often thought the role of DoF a waste of time and money and that the manager should make all footballing decisions, that way there is less room for any grey areas and the responsibility for failure or success falls at the door of one person.

Then I can see some positives in having someone able to assist the manager in dealing with the day to day business of finding, watching and signing players, but I wouldn't give that person the title of DoF and set him up as separate entity from the manager.

I would allow the manager to pick the person for the role so he has someone he trusts and can work with, then his title would be Contracts Manager and he would become part of the managers backroom staff.

He would go and watch players suggested by the manager, he can put players forward to the manager, and when the manager wants a player he can be part of negotiating team with the board and let the manager know how things are progressing.

But ultimately there should be only one voice when it comes to matters relating to the playing staff of the team, and from where I'm standing we seem to be paying a lot of money to Walsh for very little success and I'm sure he would blame the manager and vice versa, so let's get rid of them both and find a different process for signing players that works.