markjazzbassist Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: His first 18 months have not been brilliant, but that doesn't mean we need to burn the house down. The blame lies on Koeman, the players, Walsh, and the management for not having a more coherent management structure and assignment of responsibilities. You people are going to call for a different person's head each month over the next several months until our form improves when you will all declare us European contenders and a threat to the big six again. Walsh has nothing to do with form, blame only lies in recruitment, which is strange you have the players and koeman included in there. Transfers have been shit, holes haven't been filled, money has been spent poorly, that is all down to him, that's why he needs to go. I don't like the Continental model, i like the Moyes/Martinez one manager in charge of managing and recruiting model. Less moving parts and they know who/what they need because they are the manager. No communication issues to deal with. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: His first 18 months have not been brilliant, but that doesn't mean we need to burn the house down. The blame lies on Koeman, the players, Walsh, and the management for not having a more coherent management structure and assignment of responsibilities. You people are going to call for a different person's head each month over the next several months until our form improves when you will all declare us European contenders and a threat to the big six again. Hmmm you blame everyone except Moshiri, yet he's the guy employing those people... Suggests he's not doing something right to me. markjazzbassist and London Blue 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, nogs said: Hmmm you blame everyone except Moshiri, yet he's the guy employing those people... Suggests he's not doing something right to me. "The management" - think that would include Moshiri, Kenwright, Elstone, etc. StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Walsh has nothing to do with form, blame only lies in recruitment, which is strange you have the players and koeman included in there. Transfers have been shit, holes haven't been filled, money has been spent poorly, that is all down to him, that's why he needs to go. I don't like the Continental model, i like the Moyes/Martinez one manager in charge of managing and recruiting model. Less moving parts and they know who/what they need because they are the manager. No communication issues to deal with. I actually like this more as well, but the entire club is completely reliant upon hiring the right manager and that manager staying for an elongated period of time - in this day and age, football manager turnover is super high while DoF's stay a bit longer. You can't put the manager in charge of managing 200-300m pounds of assets (players) if you are going to hire and fire them every other month. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Walsh has nothing to do with form, blame only lies in recruitment, which is strange you have the players and koeman included in there. Transfers have been shit, holes haven't been filled, money has been spent poorly, that is all down to him, that's why he needs to go. I don't like the Continental model, i like the Moyes/Martinez one manager in charge of managing and recruiting model. Less moving parts and they know who/what they need because they are the manager. No communication issues to deal with. Agreed. DoF theoretically makes sense, but feel Moshiri has put it in because it's more "sexy" (for want of a better word) markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 I think Moshiri thought and bought into the idea that Walsh could do another Leicester. In business an incompetent director should be handed his P45, no ifs and buts. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 36 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: "The management" - think that would include Moshiri, Kenwright, Elstone, etc. Ah OK... I agree, it's a shared responsibility. But I think tearing the blueprint up and starting again is exactly what Moshiri should be doing, because what he's done so far hasn't worked. And as for the point you make in another post about DoF being a longer term appointment than a manager - that's fine if you have the right DoF. On current evidence, we certainly haven't, and he should be first out the door imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 No left back and Mangala? That's it. SO over walsh. Hired for uncovering gems. Not sure he has found even one for us. Pickford has been great but was already an EPL player. Has massively failed. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, nogs said: Hmmm you blame everyone except Moshiri, yet he's the guy employing those people... Suggests he's not doing something right to me. Would you rather Moshiri had not taken over the club? Yes he made mistakes over hiring Koeman and Walsh, but at the time almost everyone at the club and in footballing world thought they were smart moves. Hindsight is not much of a gift. I do blame him for appointing Fat Sam, that was a panic measure that should not of happend. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, London Blue said: Would you rather Moshiri had not taken over the club? Yes he made mistakes over hiring Koeman and Walsh, but at the time almost everyone at the club and in footballing world thought they were smart moves. Hindsight is not much of a gift. I do blame him for appointing Fat Sam, that was a panic measure that should not of happend. thats the thing, i have started to go back to comparing Bill's reign to moshiri. Bill's was admittedly bad on the finance side (and stadium side), but managers/transfers were astute and there was a reason, they needed to be. now that we "are rich" it's like every transfer has to break the record. which is stupid, even barca buy people on a free/cheap/youngsters. that good business sense (transfer side) went out the window. stadium and finance aside i'd take bill, football was better, managers better, transfers better, "true blue" club vibes better. i don't go to the match so the stadium doesn't impact me, when bill was at the end of his reign we posted a profit finally (albeit from transfer sales, still it was a profit) so maybe he finally got the finance side down. in summary, bill sounds at the moment a lot better, never thought i would say that either, i've not been his biggest fan, but hindsight i'm realizing how decent he was. Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarzy Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 If Mangala is the only signing, he can get fucked. Absolute joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 25 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: thats the thing, i have started to go back to comparing Bill's reign to moshiri. Bill's was admittedly bad on the finance side (and stadium side), but managers/transfers were astute and there was a reason, they needed to be. now that we "are rich" it's like every transfer has to break the record. which is stupid, even barca buy people on a free/cheap/youngsters. that good business sense (transfer side) went out the window. stadium and finance aside i'd take bill, football was better, managers better, transfers better, "true blue" club vibes better. i don't go to the match so the stadium doesn't impact me, when bill was at the end of his reign we posted a profit finally (albeit from transfer sales, still it was a profit) so maybe he finally got the finance side down. in summary, bill sounds at the moment a lot better, never thought i would say that either, i've not been his biggest fan, but hindsight i'm realizing how decent he was. Moshiri is inexperienced, and I agree I want Bill to do transfers and appoint managers, or at least have more of a say on that side of things untill Moshiri gets more experienced. I just want Walsh, Allardyce, and Shakespeare gone from the club I love. Matt, nyblue23, markjazzbassist and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Quinn31 said: His first 18 months have not been brilliant, but that doesn't mean we need to burn the house down. The blame lies on Koeman, the players, Walsh, and the management for not having a more coherent management structure and assignment of responsibilities. You people are going to call for a different person's head each month over the next several months until our form improves when you will all declare us European contenders and a threat to the big six again. You have a point there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 How the hell can we end a transfer window without a left-back?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Loose said: How the hell can we end a transfer window without a left-back?! You sound surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Palfy said: You sound surprised Hour and a half to go yet, we may yet sign.....um....Noah Bhaadi; I hear he's available again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarzy Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 Walsh is a cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, MikeO said: Hour and a half to go yet, we may yet sign.....um....Noah Bhaadi; I hear he's available again. Surprised he hasn't bought Noah's ark so he can well and truly sail us down the river Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Swarzy said: Walsh is a cunt. He's not that good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Wow just think there are no left backs obtainable in the whole of world football that are better than Cuco Bluemineck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 And we tried to get rid of Klassen, Lookmans gone on loan as has Sandro All Walsh signings (although a bit harsh of Adamola) morgan pap! keane pap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 Conspiracy theory - Walsh brought sam in knowing that the sam dumpster fire would out shadow the Walsh dumpster fire, he keeps his job as sam leaves in the summer. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/how-everton-monitor-ademola-lookmans-14252874 More holiday trips coming up for the buffoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Position is under review. Finally. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Lowensda said: Position is under review. Finally. Where has that information come from, please be genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/09/sam-allardyce-everton-mental-resilience-steve-walsh?__twitter_impression=true http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5374059/amp/Steve-Walsh-faces-sack-Evertons-director-football.html?__twitter_impression=true Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Lowensda said: Position is under review. Finally. It shouldn't have taken this long to be under review. By this point it should simply be goodbye. Gwlad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 The full lot needs to go. Absolute farce. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 i was never impressed by him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 His time has to be up. £200 mill spunked up the wall on shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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