Romey 1878 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 13 hours ago, c1982 said: I think Holgate will start vs Atalanta and possibly Man U then Kenny will get a chance vs Sunderland (with Martina at left back). Hopefully Kenny (or Holgate) will stake a claim and get a decent run of games. I hope you mean left back at home. Him anywhere near our team is a fucking nightmare. Paddock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 He was hung out to dry yesterday, no one in front of him so kept getting doubled up on. He had no support from Gana who keeps getting on the wrong side of his man (really don't see how this hasn't been addressed when they rewatch the games) or Keane who is bang average with the only thing he is 'better' than Holgate at is being tall. Not saying he isn't shite, just the problem is much bigger than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 https://twitter.com/PiperPeta/status/906646005948481536 From the comments in the tweet Lowensda put in the Koeman thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 25 minutes ago, pete0 said: https://twitter.com/PiperPeta/status/906646005948481536 From the comments in the tweet Lowensda put in the Koeman thread. Read those and remembered how Twitter is Donald Trump's favorite avenue of communication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 I actually envy those that can't go the game and get to watch it on tv, or through streams, because seeing what this clown does off the ball is frightening. I kept saying to the fella next to me "what's he doing?" "where's he going?" Again though, it's more about his effort than a lack of ability that really gets up my nose. I've watched him so many times give up on balls that are stupidly close to him only to let the opposition player have it instead. That sort of thing is unforgivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 15 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I actually envy those that can't go the game and get to watch it on tv, or through streams, because seeing what this clown does off the ball is frightening. I kept saying to the fella next to me "what's he doing?" "where's he going?" Again though, it's more about his effort than a lack of ability that really gets up my nose. I've watched him so many times give up on balls that are stupidly close to him only to let the opposition player have it instead. That sort of thing is unforgivable. Maybe this is what we're not seeing. On TV he looked one of our better players. When he is on the ball he is pretty solid. He also stopped an easy goal and blocked another good effort. what we don't see on TV is exactly what your seeing off the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I actually envy those that can't go the game and get to watch it on tv, or through streams, because seeing what this clown does off the ball is frightening. I kept saying to the fella next to me "what's he doing?" "where's he going?" Again though, it's more about his effort than a lack of ability that really gets up my nose. I've watched him so many times give up on balls that are stupidly close to him only to let the opposition player have it instead. That sort of thing is unforgivable. I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this- the fella behind me kept saying he was being hung out to dry when time and time again there was only Ali in our box (Kane) over by the right corner flag and he kept wandering off and half marking Ali when Keane had him and Baines and Williams were dealing with Kane leaving their full back literally 30 yards of space every time. I was thinking maybe he's told him to double up on Ali but he was just standing in no mans land- not marking Ali or Erikssen and the left full back was like he was playing on his own- it was fucking shocking. I'm still shocked today. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, Paddock said: I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this- the fella behind me kept saying he was being hung out to dry when time and time again there was only Ali in our box (Kane) over by the right corner flag and he kept wandering off and half marking Ali when Keane had him and Baines and Williams were dealing with Kane leaving their full back literally 30 yards of space every time. I was thinking maybe he's told him to double up on Ali but he was just standing in no mans land- not marking Ali or Erikssen and the left full back was like he was playing on his own- it was fucking shocking. I'm still shocked today. He kept passing the Spurs player onto our CB's but then proceeded to follow that player, abandoning Davies. I thought I was going to have an aneurysm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 45 minutes ago, Shukes said: Maybe this is what we're not seeing. On TV he looked one of our better players. When he is on the ball he is pretty solid. He also stopped an easy goal and blocked another good effort. what we don't see on TV is exactly what your seeing off the ball. On the ball he's alright, but defensively... he will be the end of me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Exactly! His work-rate is atrocious. He's not a "bad" player technically -- he can whip in a good cross -- but too often he is caught out and doesn't put in the effort to try and win the ball back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Shukes said: Maybe this is what we're not seeing. On TV he looked one of our better players. When he is on the ball he is pretty solid. He also stopped an easy goal and blocked another good effort. what we don't see on TV is exactly what your seeing off the ball. It's on TV as well Shukes, he looked just as shite then. Waltzing around, just no engagement from him. If you just watched him in isolation on TV you might think different, but when you look at the gaps he leaves, his lack of commitment to the tackle, his general attitude to defending he shouldn't be anywhere near the side. Niasse is a better striker than Martina is a right back... well it's at least very close! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 41 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: He kept passing the Spurs player onto our CB's but then proceeded to follow that player, abandoning Davies. I thought I was going to have an aneurysm I wanted to strangle the fella behind me (stranger off stubhub I think) he kept saying "he's playing well e's being left 2 on 1 because we don't have a right midfielder" Erikksen ran our midfield 2 ragged granted but Martina was marking nobody all fucking game he just stood there wide eyed and kept drifting towards the cb position. Davies must have thought it was Christmas. my 8 year old said "Dad Martina is crap isn't he- who's he supposed to be marking and why has their left back got so much space- he's 8!! nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 We need an Eriksen-type player in our squad. We're severely lacking that and a top tier striker.And another capable CB. And wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 He puts a lovely cross in but unfortunately we often don't have anyone in the box to aim at. Defenesively, he's very poor (to be polite). His positioning is hopeless, he's a ball watcher and not very brave. You can see his teammates have no trust in him whatsoever. Hands up, I thought this would be a shrewd signing providing back-up to Kenny in Coleman's absence. I do think Kenny will have a part to play very soon with him not being sent out on loan. If he's not in Koeman's plans then surely a 1 year deal for Sagna until Coleman is back would have been a wiser move... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 No doubt! Sagna on a 1yr deal is good business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, tonkaroost said: We need an Eriksen-type player in our squad. We're severely lacking that and a top tier striker. And another capable CB. And wingers. The Eriksen player is Sigurdsson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 That's what we hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Poor in defence not bad going forward. Williams is a much bigger problem than this lad at the moment. aaron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Poor in defence not bad going forward. Williams is a much bigger problem than this lad at the moment. Not for me, while Williams has been poor Coco has been a complete liability. He is a black Marc Hottiger !Kenny is bang on form at the moment so god only knows what he must be thinking watching this clown being picked ahead of him nyblue23 and MC11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 I think a big reason the defense is poor is that Coco undermines their confidence when he plays. Its like they know (like the rest of us) that he is going to get caught out defensively in one of his many Don Quixote like charges forwards. I think Williams is having a poor start too, but, as someone as said he is a 6/7 out of ten player out of 10 every week, so far this season he has been mostly a 6/10 but he will get better. nyblue23 and MC11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 3 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Not for me, while Williams has been poor Coco has been a complete liability. He is a black Marc Hottiger ! Kenny is bang on form at the moment so god only knows what he must be thinking watching this clown being picked ahead of him Fair enough. I agree Kenny should get a chance. However Williams was absolutely shocking on Saturday. He looks like a fraud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 2 hours ago, London Blue said: I think a big reason the defense is poor is that Coco undermines their confidence when he plays. Its like they know (like the rest of us) that he is going to get caught out defensively in one of his many Don Quixote like charges forwards. I think Williams is having a poor start too, but, as someone as said he is a 6/7 out of ten player out of 10 every week, so far this season he has been mostly a 6/10 but he will get better. He was a 2/10 Saturday absolutely shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, MC11 said: Fair enough. I agree Kenny should get a chance. However Williams was absolutely shocking on Saturday. He looks like a fraud When watching Williams on Saturday, I thought back to souness being had off with that George weah cousin thing. He would have looked out of sorts in a Sunday league game from what I seen on Saturday. Looks overweight and played like he'd been on the piss the night before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 9 hours ago, yamar said: When watching Williams on Saturday, I thought back to souness being had off with that George weah cousin thing. He would have looked out of sorts in a Sunday league game from what I seen on Saturday. Looks overweight and played like he'd been on the piss the night before. It's not even comparable to the George Weah cousin thing- he's not been great but he's a solid prem player. how can you even compare the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Paddock said: It's not even comparable to the George Weah cousin thing- he's not been great but he's a solid prem player. how can you even compare the two? Because he didn't look like footballer on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, yamar said: Because he didn't look like footballer on the pitch. Williams does and has looked like a footballer though Brett- there is zero comparison in Ashley Williams and that kid pretending to be Wears cousin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cuco-martina-admits-playing-time-13762600 You're not the only one, Cuco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Genuinely feel I'm a better player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 As far as bad performances go, I've seen a lot worse from a lot of players this season. He wasn't even the worst on the pitch tonight. Plus he was played out of position. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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