Hafnia Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 45 minutes ago, Shukes said: Wanted to laugh and reply but held back due to the backlash from the Koeman joke and our more..... serious supporters haha! had a secret chuckle though haha! I laughed a fair bit to be honest.... we can now he's ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 [Shukes’s comment from matchday post] “Garbutt struggles to make an impression in the U23s mate. He’s nowhere near this level. We need Baines and Coleman back and a new signing.” I’m always on alert when called “mate,” but at least Shukes didn’t call me a bloody idiot, no matter how tempting. Anyhow, I admit to ignorance of how Garbutt is doing with U23s. I’ll say that Martina is nowhere near this level, either, at least at LB. I’m pretty sure almost all on TT see that even a declining Baines is a much better option than Martina. And if Coleman can return - I’m nervous about whether and when he can recover - then I suppose Kenny can be temporary backup at both FBs. True enough, we desperately need a new LB signing in Jan. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 He is gone between the ears, you can see it in his eyes. He wasnt all bad today but he made way too many mistakes and in the end he had given up and that is unforgivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I say it so many times but it’s the lack of effort that gets to me. He just gives up on balls and lets his man have it. A lack of ability is forgivable because he doesn’t pick himself but the effort he puts in to get to balls is infuriating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 To be honest, today was the first time he stood out alarmingly for me. Very poor. It's unbelievable that we have to play a bang average right back at left back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: I say it so many times but it’s the lack of effort that gets to me. He just gives up on balls and lets his man have it. A lack of ability is forgivable because he doesn’t pick himself but the effort he puts in to get to balls is infuriating. Exactly. He just doesn't care about defending. It' like it' something he is being made to do but doesn' really want to. It's absolutely bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Newty82 said: To be honest, today was the first time he stood out alarmingly for me. Very poor. It's unbelievable that we have to play a bang average right back at left back. He's nowhere near bang average. He's really the worst defender to have started a league game among all 20 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, chicagoblue said: He's nowhere near bang average. He's really the worst defender to have started a league game among all 20 teams. Is this the Michael Keane thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, chicagoblue said: He's nowhere near bang average. He's really the worst defender to have started a league game among all 20 teams. And you've watched every defender in every game for all 20 teams have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, chicagoblue said: He's nowhere near bang average. He's really the worst defender to have started a league game among all 20 teams. That's shocking to say that, never really had a bad comment against him for West Ham game yet played the same position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, Palfy said: That's shocking to say that, never really had a bad comment against him for West Ham game yet played the same position. He played ok against one of the worst teams in the league, hardly a statement of his quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 This all just shows how bad our management team is. Koeman, Unsworth, SAM, Sammy, Shakespeare. None of them could manage a pub team it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesey05 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 mates of mine ( Saints fans ) ripped the piss out of me when we signed Cuco. Said he was the worse defender they have ever seen at their club. So Koeman signs him!!!! He would struggle in a league 2 team. I would rather Besic play left back. Milner done a job for City at LB like Young is doing at Utd. I'm pissed off when i see Cuco in the starting line up, yesterday showed even our own players have no faith in his ability. I hope that's the last time he wears the blue shirt!!! It's like starting with 10 men every time he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, milesey05 said: 2 mates of mine ( Saints fans ) ripped the piss out of me when we signed Cuco. Said he was the worse defender they have ever seen at their club. So Koeman signs him!!!! He would struggle in a league 2 team. I would rather Besic play left back. Milner done a job for City at LB like Young is doing at Utd. I'm pissed off when i see Cuco in the starting line up, yesterday showed even our own players have no faith in his ability. I hope that's the last time he wears the blue shirt!!! It's like starting with 10 men every time he plays. In fairness I thought he was solid enough in the last 2 games but yesterday was a clusterfuck and like you say it was clear that the players had had enough of him. LB is the first signing we need to make IMO although at least from Jan 1st we can register Garbutt (if deemed good enough). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Shocking signing. Absolute joke of a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Shite Even against WH you could tell nobody really trusts him with the ball the amount of times Rooney could have fed him through or squared it and went the other way was laughable He's possibly one of the most out of his depth players I've ever seen tbh it's not the lads fault he's here but I can't wait for him to be jogged on, Koeman you donut! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 He has the support of the players though. Pretty clear that Williams was telling him to get his head up when he had his arm around his shoulder. He isn’t good enough for us, but I have witnessed thousands of worse players in the premier. Unfortunately most of them have played for us haha. Remember Earl Barret. He earned me my place as a semi professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 16 hours ago, London Blue said: He played ok against one of the worst teams in the league, hardly a statement of his quality. The team that just beat Chelsea, listen he's not a left back he is at best 3rd choice right back there is obviously in the mangers view nobody else he could put there and even after 30 minutes he never changed it why because there is no one, people have been saying for the last year if Baines gets injured were fucked and he is and we are, so don't go jumping all over Martina like he was brought for that role and he's let everyone down cause that is fucking bollocks. He was up against their best player what Allardyce could have done was switch Kenny with him but he never maybe because he was happy with his performance who knows but if was as bad as your saying the manager had plenty of opportunities to change it and he never, strange that I wonder why I'm sure your going to tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 He's genuinely terrible. Earl Barrett wasn't as bad as him. Where is Garbutt and why isn'tt he in the team ahead of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, badaids said: He's genuinely terrible. Earl Barrett wasn't as bad as him. Where is Garbutt and why isn'ttt he in the team ahead of him? He’s not registered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, badaids said: He's genuinely terrible. Earl Barrett wasn't as bad as him. Where is Garbutt and why isn'ttt he in the team ahead of him? Earl Barret was a lot worse mate. Get the ball, don’t look up, play it up the line to no one.... every time. He inspired me to go further haha. Garbutt is playing for the U23s. He’s just not good enough. Martina needs replacing. Hopefully we can bring in someone in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 You love him really! you voted MoM for him didn’t you haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Shukes said: You love him really! you voted MoM for him didn’t you hah Die die die Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Palfy said: The team that just beat Chelsea, listen he's not a left back he is at best 3rd choice right back there is obviously in the mangers view nobody else he could put there and even after 30 minutes he never changed it why because there is no one, people have been saying for the last year if Baines gets injured were fucked and he is and we are, so don't go jumping all over Martina like he was brought for that role and he's let everyone down cause that is fucking bollocks. He was up against their best player what Allardyce could have done was switch Kenny with him but he never maybe because he was happy with his performance who knows but if was as bad as your saying the manager had plenty of opportunities to change it and he never, strange that I wonder why I'm sure your going to tell me. You're right it's not Coco's fault he was filling a position that should have been sorted in the transfer window. It's not his fault Koeman brought him here. He is however one of the worst defenders I have even seen. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, London Blue said: You're right it's not Coco's fault he was filling a position that should have been sorted in the transfer window. It's not his fault Koeman brought him here. He is however one of the worst defenders I have even seen. Well said Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 35 minutes ago, rubecula said: Well said Blue Why thank you In truth I feel sorry for the guy, till I remember that he is on £50 grand a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Erm.... It either shows stats to be useless or shows how bad we are at judging players.... http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cuco-martina-fact-evertons-unsung-14025430 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Stats are there to show each side though, while we really tend to look for his mistakes. Again, he managed to keep possibly Europe’s most in form talent down to one attempt. His tackling wasn’t that bad, and the goal could be argued as more of a shove than a show of strength from Salah. But then on the flip side, stays do t show positioning. As Bailey pointed out, this was his worst attribute during the game. Playing out of position or whatever reason, it was still happening. And the last twenty minutes of the match was awful for him. Should have been taken off... his head had dropped and he didn’t want to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 46 minutes ago, Newty82 said: Erm.... It either shows stats to be useless or shows how bad we are at judging players.... http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cuco-martina-fact-evertons-unsung-14025430 He’s always going to be a whipping boy, regardless of how well he does. Personally think hes ok, but shouldn’t be played as a full back and when he makes a mistake, they tend to be doozies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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