RuffRob Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 20 hours ago, patto said: I agree Dyche ball is not great for attacking players Jack looked decent elsewhere. I don't think any player can use what is termed Dyche ball as a excuse. There are opertunities in most game for our offensive players to show moments of quality or make moment of quality happen. The problem is as much the quality (or lack of) of the player as it is the system in which they play. I remember when Harrison played against us for Leeds, he had a couple of stinkers, if I remember correctly the last game he played against us he was particualy poor. Being a hard worker has always been his best attribute, genuine quality being spasmodic at best. Dyche ball actually probably suits the worker like Harrison's of this world. £8M for Gray was business it seens we couldn't turn down, give our finances, his fringe position in the squad and him being on his final year. Being on his final year and he low fee, that has to go down as mostly profit on the books. He's not done anywhere near enough to earn a £20m transfer. Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 13 minutes ago, RuffRob said: He's not done anywhere near enough to earn a £20m transfer. To be honest, not many of the players have lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 2 hours ago, Hafnia said: Gray offered a huge amount of discontent and "I don't give a shit" too. talented player but I'm sick of players taking the piss - which he did. He did, indeed - very frustrating - and deservedly gone. But when I look at this clip, his ability to spring defence into attack, I do get a bit wistful - one of my favourite Everton team goals over the last few years. Palfy, Matt and KinL 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 On 11/03/2024 at 12:01, Hafnia said: Gray offered a huge amount of discontent and "I don't give a shit" too. talented player but I'm sick of players taking the piss - which he did. I never heard anything about him taking the piss I know what you said earlier. but I blamed Dyche from the beginning he just didn’t like gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 The same as he doesn’t like Patterson he will be gone in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 I was happy Gray left & still am. Late to match busses during a relegation scrap & played the game for himself. Harrison has been a let down, let’s not fall in to the easy trap of blaming Dyche’s “style of play” we have played plenty of attacking football. The problem is our players who support the striker all have huge short comings. Harrison loses the ball in the attacking third so much, Doucoure has little to no technical ability & and McNeil has 1 foot & zero pace. RuffRob and Wiggytop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 10 hours ago, Btay said: I was happy Gray left & still am. Late to match busses during a relegation scrap & played the game for himself. Harrison has been a let down, let’s not fall in to the easy trap of blaming Dyche’s “style of play” we have played plenty of attacking football. The problem is our players who support the striker all have huge short comings. Harrison loses the ball in the attacking third so much, Doucoure has little to no technical ability & and McNeil has 1 foot & zero pace. Doucoure is a much better footballer than people seem to realise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Matt said: Doucoure is a much better footballer than people seem to realise I don’t agree mate. I’ve said on many occasions I appreciate his physical attributes but I see his technical ability as quite poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, Btay said: I don’t agree mate. I’ve said on many occasions I appreciate his physical attributes but I see his technical ability as quite poor. Well put it this way, before he was injured we looked like a coherent team. That's not down to athleticism alone. Also look at some of his strikes of the ball. He's not David Silva but his technical ability is much better than he's given credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 On 11/03/2024 at 14:11, RuffRob said: I don't think any player can use what is termed Dyche ball as a excuse. There are opertunities in most game for our offensive players to show moments of quality or make moment of quality happen. The problem is as much the quality (or lack of) of the player as it is the system in which they play. I remember when Harrison played against us for Leeds, he had a couple of stinkers, if I remember correctly the last game he played against us he was particualy poor. Being a hard worker has always been his best attribute, genuine quality being spasmodic at best. Dyche ball actually probably suits the worker like Harrison's of this world. £8M for Gray was business it seens we couldn't turn down, give our finances, his fringe position in the squad and him being on his final year. Being on his final year and he low fee, that has to go down as mostly profit on the books. He's not done anywhere near enough to earn a £20m transfer. Look at DCL I know he s had injurys but he s been awful under Dyche the hoof ball has done him no favours yes I know he s had chances but he is isolated all the time trying to win the hoof ball from pickford this is tactics from Dyche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 9 hours ago, Matt said: Well put it this way, before he was injured we looked like a coherent team. That's not down to athleticism alone. Also look at some of his strikes of the ball. He's not David Silva but his technical ability is much better than he's given credit for. I’m just going off what seeing the last 18 months here mate, his first time passing and ball control. He is great at getting after flick ons and that but as soon as he gets in space like a traditional #10 I don’t feel that his is strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, Btay said: I’m just going off what seeing the last 18 months here mate, his first time passing and ball control. He is great at getting after flick ons and that but as soon as he gets in space like a traditional #10 I don’t feel that his is strengths. I would tend to agree when he's in a defensive role but when he's in attack he's very good and we've certainly missed his athleticism, his finishing, his linkup play, his work rate... I've just always thought he's massively underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 Leeds missed automatic promotion, if the miss out in the play offs, then I would guess Harrison would be available for another year's loan. most agree hes not worth the £20m thats been mooted, but he knows the clubs and system we play, so would gladly have him back on loan for another 12 month. I won't be cheering Leeds on in the play off. I'll be cheering on the Baggies or the Canaries. StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 1 hour ago, RuffRob said: Leeds missed automatic promotion, if the miss out in the play offs, then I would guess Harrison would be available for another year's loan. most agree hes not worth the £20m thats been mooted, but he knows the clubs and system we play, so would gladly have him back on loan for another 12 month. I won't be cheering Leeds on in the play off. I'll be cheering on the Baggies or the Canaries. Does anyone really know our system I would like the Canaries to come up then we get to see them play Ipswich in a Norfolk derby and both go straight backdown again. Sibdane and KinL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 2 hours ago, RuffRob said: Leeds missed automatic promotion, if the miss out in the play offs, then I would guess Harrison would be available for another year's loan. most agree hes not worth the £20m thats been mooted, but he knows the clubs and system we play, so would gladly have him back on loan for another 12 month. I won't be cheering Leeds on in the play off. I'll be cheering on the Baggies or the Canaries. I'd only like him back in any capacity if we also sign an actual winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 28 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I'd only like him back in any capacity if we also sign an actual winger. I'd go a little further. I don't want him back in any capacity and hope we sign two actual wingers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 3 minutes ago, Formby said: I'd go a little further. I don't want him back in any capacity and hope we sign two actual wingers! That's not likely with our finances though. If it was, I'd definitely be preferring that. Formby and KinL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 9 hours ago, RuffRob said: Leeds missed automatic promotion, if the miss out in the play offs, then I would guess Harrison would be available for another year's loan. most agree hes not worth the £20m thats been mooted, but he knows the clubs and system we play, so would gladly have him back on loan for another 12 month. I won't be cheering Leeds on in the play off. I'll be cheering on the Baggies or the Canaries. Depends on how much the loan fee is to be honest. Works hard but loses the ball too much Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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London Blue Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 Depends on if Leeds get promoted or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 13 minutes ago, London Blue said: Depends on if Leeds get promoted or not. I don't think it does tbh. It's just about whether both parties want to continue and then something will be worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 If Leeds get promoted I can see them wanting him back for his experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: I know you're so excited at the potential of him returning next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 1 minute ago, Sibdane said: I know you're so excited at the potential of him returning next year. Mate, I need to order valium. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 Meh. Half the quoted price and maybe. He's a worker but I don't think he has the skill to be a winger. Maybe a number 10 to Dom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 Leeds will start the summer, promoted or not, with Summerville, Gnonto, Sinisterra, Dan James and Harrison as their wing options… we’ll have McNeil, Young (if he renews), Dobbin and Stanley Mills. We need at least 2 wingers this summer. In my opinion, Leeds not being promoted would be good for us as Harrison on-loan or a lowish fee would at least offer continuity. With him and McNeil playing, we’ve been solid, not always that exciting, sometimes very frustrating but solid - part of why we’ve earned 48points this season. I see McNeil and Harrison as solid/reliable performers - good foundations to build on. We need to add a bit of flair and more importantly PACE to this now. Going back to a previous comment about scouting the Championship - I like the look of Rowe at Norwich and Fellows at West Brom. Villa did well snapping up Rodgers from Middlesbrough. Matt, Romey 1878 and Gwlad 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 14 hours ago, c1982 said: Leeds will start the summer, promoted or not, with Summerville, Gnonto, Sinisterra, Dan James and Harrison as their wing options… we’ll have McNeil, Young (if he renews), Dobbin and Stanley Mills. We need at least 2 wingers this summer. In my opinion, Leeds not being promoted would be good for us as Harrison on-loan or a lowish fee would at least offer continuity. With him and McNeil playing, we’ve been solid, not always that exciting, sometimes very frustrating but solid - part of why we’ve earned 48points this season. I see McNeil and Harrison as solid/reliable performers - good foundations to build on. We need to add a bit of flair and more importantly PACE to this now. Going back to a previous comment about scouting the Championship - I like the look of Rowe at Norwich and Fellows at West Brom. Villa did well snapping up Rodgers from Middlesbrough. Haji Wright at Coventry is worth looking at too I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Haji Wright at Coventry is worth looking at too I reckon. I like him and know he’s played a lot on the left but not sure I’d see him as a left winger in this league - if Dom or Beto were to leave, then definitely. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 On 18/05/2024 at 16:15, c1982 said: I like him and know he’s played a lot on the left but not sure I’d see him as a left winger in this league - if Dom or Beto were to leave, then definitely. Like I said when you mentioned about signing players from the Championship in another thread - it's definitely somewhere we should be looking at and Wharton (and others) show there is value to be found there too. We rely too much on going for 'Premier League' experience. I mean, that's why we went for Maupay and look how that's turned out for us. He's not a bad player by any means but instead of going for someone more suitable we've signed him because he knows the league. RuffRob, Matt and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rising-welsh-star-jordan-james-28377133 we should be trying to bring in top quality youngster like him to the club - they shouldn't be going to Italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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