Paddock Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Holgate out Williams in. Anything else would be stupid. Providing everyones ft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Yeh can't be confident with holgate against WBA. Needs to fill out a bit. They are just gonna pump long balls at him otherwise. Williams Jags and Mori all very strong in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Yeh can't be confident with holgate against WBA. Needs to fill out a bit. They are just gonna pump long balls at him otherwise. Williams Jags and Mori all very strong in the air. I think that'll be Koeman's thought process tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2016-08-28/jags-delight-at-williams-impact/ I think this has the makings of a great partnership Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2016-08-28/jags-delight-at-williams-impact/ I think this has the makings of a great partnership mmm idk, I'm not too sure about Jagielka anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 mmm idk, I'm not too sure about Jagielka anymore. He's been playing the role of 2 CBs for at least as season, allowing Stones to "play his natural game" so of course he's looked past it sometimes. Will a solid defender like Williams, I think for the next 2 seasons he'll be fine and these 2 will do a Huth/Morgan thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) I think Koeman is being very astute here. Jags and Williams with Mori as cover or a third in a back three for this season and maybe next while Holgate and Galloway continue to get Premier League game time with Browning, Foulds, Pennington still to come back / break through. If we can just get Kone on deadline day too then I will be extremely happy with our defensive personnel and options. It will be a terrific range of experience, quality and age. Edited August 29, 2016 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 The two together can just play their own game and not worry about the man next to them. Against Stoke that was the most solid we've looked since Weir/Stubbs. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 He's been playing the role of 2 CBs for at least as season, allowing Stones to "play his natural game" so of course he's looked past it sometimes. Will a solid defender like Williams, I think for the next 2 seasons he'll be fine and these 2 will do a Huth/Morgan thing. Totally agree Stones and Mori both had mistakes in them, now he has Williams alongside him he can just concentrate on his own game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) The two together can just play their own game and not worry about the man next to them. Against Stoke that was the most solid we've looked since Weir/Stubbs. I'd be concerned about playing them both together against a side with pacy forwards but they do look good together. Edited August 29, 2016 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I'd be concerned about playing them both together against a side with pacy forwards but they do look good together. Still think jags is under rated for his pace. Over 10 yards he isn't too bad for me. Sibdane and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Williams cleared everything, and showed exactly what we've been missing. Some how Jagielka gets praise for stranding next to him. Jagielka was fine in the last game, but could have helped Holgate more. All the Stoke attacks come down their side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Williams cleared everything, and showed exactly what we've been missing. Some how Jagielka gets praise for stranding next to him. Jagielka was fine in the last game, but could have helped Holgate more. All the Stoke attacks come down their side. Which was their tactic - pick on the youngster using one of their bigger, better players who was basically in Holgates pocket the whole game. I think just knowing he has Jags having his back was enough to add an extra fearlessness to his approach. I know you don't rate him, Pete, but his role is more than just being a defender and now that he's got a solid partner, he can do more of the mentoring and captaining that he's been criticised for not doing enough of in recent years. Sibdane and efc1111 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Which was their tactic - pick on the youngster using one of their bigger, better players who was basically in Holgates pocket the whole game. I think just knowing he has Jags having his back was enough to add an extra fearlessness to his approach. I know you don't rate him, Pete, but his role is more than just being a defender and now that he's got a solid partner, he can do more of the mentoring and captaining that he's been criticised for not doing enough of in recent years.His comments suggested Williams has took over the shouting. I find it odd that Jagielka is getting credit, (I'd give it if it was due), when he's not done anything of note in the game. Williams on the other hand was a wall. I've mentioned Jagielka's positioning to death, but it was ridiculous how many times Williams dealt with the pressure and hoofed it away towards the end. He might not have the armband but he's acting as the captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I agree with that 100% pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I'd be concerned about playing them both together against a side with pacy forwards but they do look good together. Jags is one of the quickest centre half's in the league, contrary to popular belief. Williams isn't slow either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Jags is a solid solid defender. If he was Joseph yobo I would understand criticism. He isn't flash or anything. But in terms of your Cahill, smalling, Dann, defenders he is up there. Williams is a similar type but more commanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Williams is a Beast hopefully he can become as good as Richard gough was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Williams is a Beast hopefully he can become as good as Richard gough was Got a photo with gough on my honeymoon. Cracking fella I was shocked at how slight he was. Mendieta was in it too.... supposed you have to eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2016/09/05/learning-from-the-best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 Williams can help Everton's back four challenge any in the Premier League http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/williams-can-help-evertons-back-11867413#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 Williams can help Everton's back four challenge any in the Premier League http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/williams-can-help-evertons-back-11867413#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other I'd agree with that... williams and Jags could form a weir/gough partnership. Williams seems to be the type of player who is right at the peak of his powers. Jags will be haply that for the first time in a while he can focus on his own game. Hes had stones and mori to coach. Prior to that he was the safety net for distin. Baines looks back to his best and this can only be a good thing for coleman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 I'd agree with that... williams and Jags could form a weir/gough partnership. Williams seems to be the type of player who is right at the peak of his powers. Jags will be haply that for the first time in a while he can focus on his own game. Hes had stones and mori to coach. Prior to that he was the safety net for distin. Baines looks back to his best and this can only be a good thing for coleman. Agreed , I think they will form a formidable partnership and it would be fantastic if we can get Baines and Coleman playing anywhere near the levels they were under Moyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 Agreed , I think they will form a formidable partnership and it would be fantastic if we can get Baines and Coleman playing anywhere near the levels they were under Moyes Or even better under Martinez's first season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Doesn't play flashy or bring attention to himself he just does all the basic things very well. Solid solid defender and he forms a fantastic partnership with Jags right now. Very good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Does the basics incredibly well. Looks like he could be a formidable partner for Jags, I actually feel confident of clean sheets against the top teams (and the red shite) for once. Thought this was going to be THE signing but Gana is currently on another level. Matt and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Does the basics incredibly well. Looks like he could be a formidable partner for Jags, I actually feel confident of clean sheets against the top teams (and the red shite) for once. Thought this was going to be THE signing but Gana is currently on another level. We'll still get spanked, they look very good going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Could be another 3-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Such the pessimist. 7-7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 The difference this time around is that we're building a very solid defence. For Liverpool, defence is their Achilles Heel. I can smell a double this year. (Feel free to vault me if they do the double.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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