johnh Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Bailey said: I agree with your point. Barkley is still a twat though. Consider the case of Niasse then. Every man and his dog wanted him out of this club. He didn't have a locker, he was sent on loan, and we attempted to sell him to get the money back that we paid. Unfortunately football is a business and some players are fortunate enough to make their own decisions about where they want to go and others get forced out by their clubs when they aren't wanted any more. In hindsight the club should have sold Barkley 2 years ago when he didn't sign an extension. They hoped and probably took it for granted that he would sign and that' why we are where we are. Barkley has been smart, he has also been a cunt, but he has been smart and done what he thinks is best for him and his family. In truth this happens every day in a non footballing environment. Loyal employees are forced to leave (Niasse) and people who have come through the ranks go on to move companies because they think there will be greater opportunities (Barkley). I have had the first happen to me before and I expect that in the not to distant future I will also do the second. Just to clarify: I think his agent has been smart, though I agree with the follow up comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 8 hours ago, hafnia said: But everyone agreed (eventually) that the way niasse was treated was a disgrace If he had left no-one would have given a shit. The majority only eventually agreed when he started contributing. How many on here are also asking for Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Klaasen etc to be moved on. How many have even said we should cash out on Barkley!? It' a fickle sport and a short career. As an Everton fan, I am pissed with him for how he has gone about this move, but I can also appreciate that footballers need to make the decision that's best for them because you don' know what' around the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Bailey said: If he had left no-one would have given a shit. The majority only eventually agreed when he started contributing. How many on here are also asking for Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Klaasen etc to be moved on. How many have even said we should cash out on Barkley!? It' a fickle sport and a short career. As an Everton fan, I am pissed with him for how he has gone about this move, but I can also appreciate that footballers need to make the decision that's best for them because you don' know what' around the corner. No they never. It was when the details of how koeman treated him came out. The performances were far after that. MikeO and StevO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Bailey said: It' a fickle sport and a short career. As an Everton fan, I am pissed with him for how he has gone about this move, but I can also appreciate that footballers need to make the decision that's best for them because you don' know what' around the corner. I know the consensus is that playing for the club you support is the dream situation but I can imagine from a professional viewpoint its not without its disadvantages, especially when that club is no where near competing at the highest level consistently. No way Gerrard's not waking up in a cold sweat at least once a week about the antecedent events that lead to him falling over and destroying his only chance to win a title, good chance he's been in Barkley's ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, Chach said: Gerrard's been in Barkley's ear. I knew I'd be able to find a way to blame this on the shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 9 hours ago, hafnia said: No they never. It was when the details of how koeman treated him came out. The performances were far after that. A few people werent happy before but there was still a lot of 'he isn'tt good enough and I don' care' or similar attitudes. Even now, most of this forum want him moved on because he isn'tt good enough. Thats the main difference. If Barkley was shite, no-one would really bat an eyelid. Because he is a very good player who is worth a few bob, it' a different story. Going back a few years, look at Unsworths story. He was basically forced out of the club he loves by those above him. Its a mercenaries game, as are most jobs. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 There's an interesting chapter in the book 'Why England Lose' by Simon Kuper that addresses the idea of players being fans of the clubs they play for. He looks at a few examples of players that were 'fans' of their boyhood clubs including Rooney, but also Ashley Cole, Lampard and some others. His conclusion is not only that there is no such thing as a a player who is also a fan of a club, but that it is virtually impossible for players to be fans and professional/career minded at the same time in this era, especially for elite players. Behaviours of a fan and of an elite footballer are totally incompatible. Looking at it another way, they are on the lookout for themselves, and their careers. Professional concerns will always trump emotional ones. Barclay is just the latest example of that. It won't be the last either, it's just that this example is particularly messy and foul. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 This is why I don’t care if a player/manager/owner gets Everton, whatever the fuck that means. It. Doesn’t. Matter. aaron and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948892795879739392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 43 minutes ago, Matt said: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948892795879739392 The top comment is better Bailey, Matt and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 I laughed at that one too chach. Some people really have a knack for internet humor (I’m not one of them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Collusion, fraud, Mayor Joe Anderson, oh my! https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/police-dragged-ross-barkleys-move-everton-chelsea/ http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-42626014 Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said: Collusion, fraud, Mayor Joe Anderson, oh my! https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/police-dragged-ross-barkleys-move-everton-chelsea/ http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-42626014 good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 13 hours ago, Matt said: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948892795879739392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 unsurprisingly it turns out Barkleys agent was paid £7m for this transfer. SEVEN MILLION POUNDS. nyblue23 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, aaron said: unsurprisingly it turns out Barkleys agent was paid £7m for this transfer. SEVEN MILLION POUNDS. https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/chelsea-payment-barkley-agent-revealed/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, aaron said: unsurprisingly it turns out Barkleys agent was paid £7m for this transfer. SEVEN MILLION POUNDS. Nearly 50% of the transfer fee.... Insane. No wonder the fraud claims came out! aaron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 As it is, it feels like everyone accepts that Everton did well from the Barkley deal. Fuck off you knobrots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 City getting Sanchez from Arsenal for £20m so comparing the two players the Barkley deal seems to be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, aaron said: unsurprisingly it turns out Barkleys agent was paid £7m for this transfer. SEVEN MILLION POUNDS. Wow that alone should be the start of an investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Seven million pounds is fucking ludicrous for an agent fee. This leads me to believe Barkley really is just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Bill said: City getting Sanchez from Arsenal for £20m so comparing the two players the Barkley deal seems to be OK. But that ignores the fact that Sanchez has been pushing for a move for the better part of a year, while Barkley turned down a move in the summer to the same club he's now signed with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, nyblue23 said: But that ignores the fact that Sanchez has been pushing for a move for the better part of a year, while Barkley turned down a move in the summer to the same club he's now signed with. and that Sanchez's wages are a rumoured 240k a week / £12.5m a year nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Irrespective of wages or if he turned down the move six moths ago i'm just comparing the fee for the players, Sanchez is twice the player compared to Barkley so i think we're lucky to get £15m for him. I know hes a twat the way he handled it but £15m is a good price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42638978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ross-barkley-introduced-chelsea-fans-14139147 I saw this and couldn't help but laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 15 hours ago, Bill said: £15m is a good price. Its ridiculous for a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ross-barkley-introduced-chelsea-fans-14139147 I saw this and couldn't help but laugh his agent should be done for mental abuse, the lad is too thick to be out on his own. Maybe he should be removed from the breeding pool before it is too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 21 hours ago, Bill said: Irrespective of wages or if he turned down the move six moths ago i'm just comparing the fee for the players, Sanchez is twice the player compared to Barkley so i think we're lucky to get £15m for him. I know hes a twat the way he handled it but £15m is a good price. But transfers don't work in a vacuum apart from those things and we should have had £35m five months ago. If Sanchez had a year left on his contract, he'd still go for upwards of £60m. Arsenal aren't biting on that alleged £20m offer from City, and he's much more likely to go for more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, nyblue23 said: But transfers don't work in a vacuum apart from those things and we should have had £35m five months ago. If Sanchez had a year left on his contract, he'd still go for upwards of £60m. Arsenal aren't biting on that alleged £20m offer from City, and he's much more likely to go for more. Part of the reason they aren't biting is because Sanchez is still a more than useful part of the first 11. If he helps get them in the CL, that money means sweet FA. With Barkley coming back from injury, and little for us to play for, he is less impotant to us than Sanchez is for Arsenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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