GoodisonRoad Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 If your going to call me a liar, at least spell it right. Look at my prediction further up, i said we it would be an awfull draw because usually fook up in these "easy games" and we did. People were calling for 3-0 and 4-0 ... i didnt, so enough has been said on this subject. The Irony. Cant be arsed with you to be honest Bill. Have a good night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 If your going to call me a liar, at least spell it right. Look at my prediction further up, i said we it would be an awfull draw because usually fook up in these "easy games" and we did. People were calling for 3-0 and 4-0 ... i didnt, so enough has been said on this subject. It's alright William, I thought before time it could prove an awkward journey and even went with a home win. 3 or 4 goal predictions always sound a bit fanciful regardless of opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 You should have put money on it Bill. Not sure where you will gets odds on "McCarthy is like joe Allen - shit" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) You should have put money on it Bill. Not sure where you will gets odds on "McCarthy is like joe Allen - shit" though. When all else fails return to the Joe Allen shit, give it a rest Haf. If i'm wrong i will admit it, but i'm waiting till this time next year before i even think about it. Edited November 10, 2013 by Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 When all else fails return to the Joe Allen shit, give it a rest Haf. If i'm wrong i will admit it, but i'm waiting till this time next year before i even think about it. You can't be right... How can guessing a players quality be right? That's the thing bill, you made a brash uninformed statement - and you make posts gloating about being somehow right when a shit team performance seen us draw 0-0. Fact is you want time to be proven wrong about McCarthy shit? He clearly is far from shit unless you aren't able to accurately appraise a players qualities. Until he proves he is good buy are you forever going to be looking at little snippets to justify your pre purchase criticisms of the lad? Very sad and negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 You can't be right... How can guessing a players quality be right? That's the thing bill, you made a brash uninformed statement - and you make posts gloating about being somehow right when a shit team performance seen us draw 0-0. Fact is you want time to be proven wrong about McCarthy shit? He clearly is far from shit unless you aren't able to accurately appraise a players qualities. Until he proves he is good buy are you forever going to be looking at little snippets to justify your pre purchase criticisms of the lad? Very sad and negative. I find he is like many other of the members on here. There is a handful of members on here who actually speak sense and roundly on topics. To be honest I am surprised we haven't seen a Martinez Out thread after drawing away down in London. The result was disappointing yes but in by no means a disaster. On McCarthy I think he is an excellent footballer with a great engine. Could do with some creative players around him in the middle of the park and then maybe Match of the day will give him a mention as a catalyst for our success..... God for bid maybe some members on here would give him some plaudits as he would be a match of the day player or youtube player as many would like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I was very nervous at the very end of the game, when he gave away a free kick on an overly strong challenge. Thank goodness the ref kept his yellow card in his pocket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 If i'm wrong i will admit it, but i'm waiting till this time next year before i even think about it. and nothing wrong with that either. I'll admit I was nervous about him signing and thought he might need a season to bed in, but performances to date have already made up my mind; he's a cracking player. Will he keep it up all season? That remains to be seen but he's certainly not the relegated useless player some thought he might be and shows all the signs of being a quality player and hopefully the future spine of our midfield for the next 10yrs. Also, the comparison with Allen was daft mate, you'll never live that down now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I find he is like many other of the members on here. There is a handful of members on here who actually speak sense and roundly on topics. To be honest I am surprised we haven't seen a Martinez Out thread after drawing away down in London. The result was disappointing yes but in by no means a disaster. On McCarthy I think he is an excellent footballer with a great engine. Could do with some creative players around him in the middle of the park and then maybe Match of the day will give him a mention as a catalyst for our success..... God for bid maybe some members on here would give him some plaudits as he would be a match of the day player or youtube player as many would like! cheers man GoodisonRoad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Beattie, Johnson, Jelavic, all good players when they arrived, it wasnt long before a lot of people wanted to offload them. Its happening now with Mirallas. I'll wait a bit longer if you dont mind, and thats all i'm saying on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Was Beattie a good player when he signed? The examples you are using are strikers that were moyeserised - turned into work horses who lost their touch and belief. Mirallas to be offloaded??? No chance, he is a quality player just needs to find form. We are talking about a midfielder here Bill, a water carrier who has proven tremendous stamina, work rate, tactical awareness - traits that don't suffer from form dips. Probably be easier if you just said "looks like I got it wrong, long may it continue".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 11, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Was Beattie a good player when he signed? The examples you are using are strikers that were moyeserised - turned into work horses who lost their touch and belief. Mirallas to be offloaded??? No chance, he is a quality player just needs to find form. We are talking about a midfielder here Bill, a water carrier who has proven tremendous stamina, work rate, tactical awareness - traits that don't suffer from form dips. Probably be easier if you just said "looks like I got it wrong, long may it continue".... I agree, we need to keep hold of Mirallas because before he was Martinezerised he looked like a quality player Matt, marcopaulo, SimonButtle and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 to answer the above, Beattie had been a very effective player for Southampton when we brought him in (2006 ?) and had been regular top scorer and as all will be aware, once he came up to Liverpool, it simply didn't work out for him and over time became a poor purchase. Andrew Johnson was another player that featured around the same time that started off well at his previous employers and turned to disappointment with his stay on Merseyside. There's no need to rid of Mirallas so soon after bringing him in. As mentioned, he still has something to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I agree, we need to keep hold of Mirallas because before he was Martinezerised he looked like a quality player Gotta admit I laughed at that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I agree, we need to keep hold of Mirallas because before he was Martinezerised he looked like a quality player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I agree, we need to keep hold of Mirallas because before he was Martinezerised he looked like a quality player Let's not get carried away, he was inconsistent and positionally ill disciplined under Moyes. Let's see Martinez ruin several wingers before we can classify his tactics as a means of destroying players. Moyes at least had that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Let's not get carried away, he was inconsistent and positionally ill disciplined under Moyes. Let's see Martinez ruin several wingers before we can classify his tactics as a means of destroying players. Moyes at least had that. Hey - you caught one! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Hey - you caught one! Lol I thought I might do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Beattie, Johnson, Jelavic, all good players when they arrived, it wasnt long before a lot of people wanted to offload them. Its happening now with Mirallas. I'll wait a bit longer if you dont mind, and thats all i'm saying on the subject. Mirallas has a bit more finesse and tekkers than the three you mentioned though. He seems like he could make things happen with a bit of form. I think he just needs a kick up the arse sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Mirallas I think would be best used in the number ten position when Barkley doesnt play instead of Osman or upfront. His pace is a real threat and defenders hate that. Beattie was a decent number nine who needed wingers to provide him with chances he was never a player that could play on his own as his touch was awful. Andy Johnson I rated who had a great first season but was unlucky with injuries and we nearly got our money back. Jelavic unfortunately is gash and needs selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Trev, we made a profit on AJ . Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I was so excited at the time when we signed Beattie. But he was abit of a disappointment in the end. Without sounding like Haf I do blame Moyes for him not doing as well as he should have here and here's why: When ever Beattie was scoring goals for Soton it was usually because of the wide players putting the ball in for him to head in. The season we signed him we rarely played with the wide men and were quite a narrow team. I don't understand why Moyes bought him as he should have known he wouldn't have fitted into our system, I think it was extremely bad judgement of him to sign Beattie to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) There's probably about 4 different types of strikers:- Big, slow ones who hold it up, good in the air, can finish = Beattie, lambert, holt, Carroll. Dublin Little fast nippy ones, rely on fouls and movement = Owen, aj, radzinski, Phillips, Suarez, Workhorses, run channels, little end product, odd vital goal = bent, straq, vic, Naismith, kuyt, wellbeck Classy ones, size, pace, strength, finishing = saha, yak, Rooney, shearer, RVP, RVN, dunc Which ones out of those classifications seem to suit Moyes? I didn't structure it in such a way despite many cans of export... But it does add up. There are probably strikers that cross criteria - aguero? Little fast nippy one - albeit deceptively strong and classy. Djecko - big slow one. Nope think I've got it covered. Moyes had at least one out of each group, the consistent ones were the workhorses. Edited November 15, 2013 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2013/11/keane-mccarthy-will-be-a-top-player/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2013/11/keane-mccarthy-will-be-a-top-player/ Praise indeed coming from Keane. He wasn't the sort to proclaim players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2013/12/19/boss-mccarthy-a-future-skipper? I wouldn't argue with that at all. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 McCarthy passed the 250-game landmark at club level, despite being just 23-years-old hard to forget he's only 23 sometimes..that is an impressive amount of games for that age Quinn31 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I think he's awesome - still under the radar of so many so called expert pundits... maybe we need to get him to do a stepover or an over head kick to get their attention??? Nah i'm quite happy us knowing that for us he is the tempo setter. Lets let Lukaku take the plaudits. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoward18 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Less media attention just means less pressure from outside clubs who might want to buy him and less bargaining power for his agent in contract negotiations. Roberto and the Everton fans know what a quality player he is becoming and that's good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Great point thoward, I'm glad we have him and the 15 mil is low compared to what he's really worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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