markjazzbassist Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 good bit of business i think. Kone is worth 12 goals, Naismith worth 5-7 goals, and Traore probably 5 goals as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Just knowing that we needed two strikers and he's going to be one of them. Even if we bring a real goal scorer in we'll be relying on Naismith to get the odd goal again. Thing is aswell Naismiths best playing off someone. We'll need one striker with a choice of three. I can see Mr Boney making it four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 good bit of business i think. Kone is worth 12 goals, Naismith worth 5-7 goals, and Traore probably 5 goals as well. If Kone hits more than 6 goals next season I'll be extremely surprised. He's coming back from another serious knee injury which will be tough, especially at his age, and he'll piss off to the ACON in January. There's every chance that Traore will too, which is a worry if we don't bring in a real top striker as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 If Kone hits more than 6 goals next season I'll be extremely surprised. He's coming back from another serious knee injury which will be tough, especially at his age, and he'll piss off to the ACON in January. There's every chance that Traore will too, which is a worry if we don't bring in a real top striker as well. So why chase Boney? He'll be off to ACON, too. At this point, I'd start looking at strikers from another region of the world. BlueBlood81 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 So why chase Boney? He'll be off to ACON, too. At this point, I'd start looking at strikers from another region of the world. I haven't said get Bony? :dont know: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Bony has similar traits to Lukaku that's what I don't get. He's also 4 years older. He has 4 seasons on the lad and I'd say he's on par with Lukaku. Having said that the £25m price tag does seem a little too much. Basically paying for the name. £18m is about right for me. Lowensda, StevO, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Boney scores in every big league game for Swansea, every big cup game and every Europa game. He's proven deadly in front of goal. That's all I want. Fuck buying strikers to make them run round and be dead by 70 mins cause he's doing the midfielders work for them. We want guaranteed 20+ goals. He will give us this. And for half the price of lukaku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Boney scores in every big league game for Swansea, every big cup game and every Europa game. He's proven deadly in front of goal. That's all I want. Fuck buying strikers to make them run round and be dead by 70 mins cause he's doing the midfielders work for them. We want guaranteed 20+ goals. He will give us this. And for half the price of lukaku. They're being quoted at more or less the same price Agree with the rest though. I used to get angry with Yak because he didnt work, but he stuck the ball away on a regular basis. As soon as he was asked to work, the goals dried up and he got unhappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Bony, Kone, Traore All likely to be included in Ivory Coasts AFCON squad, would be absolutely ridiculous to have all 3 as our only strikers. It won't happen an if it does watch everyone moan in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Bony, Kone, Traore All likely to be included in Ivory Coasts AFCON squad, would be absolutely ridiculous to have all 3 as our only strikers. It won't happen an if it does watch everyone moan in January. Youll definitely be first though mate. I can guarantee that. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Boney scores in every big league game for Swansea, every big cup game and every Europa game. He's proven deadly in front of goal. That's all I want. Fuck buying strikers to make them run round and be dead by 70 mins cause he's doing the midfielders work for them. We want guaranteed 20+ goals. He will give us this. And for half the price of lukaku. I haven't watched as many Swansea games as you have mate so I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but Bony has played one season in the EPL and scored 16 goals. There have been many strikers that came in and took the league by storm (even someone like jelavic can be used as an example albeit Bony is definitely the better striker). Lukaku has been a 1 in 2 striker just like Bony for the past two seasons and is the younger player and therefore more likely to improve. I also do not see where you have seen a source that says Bony is available for 10 million, that I could be wrong about though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I haven't watched as many Swansea games as you have mate so I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but Bony has played one season in the EPL and scored 16 goals. There have been many strikers that came in and took the league by storm (even someone like jelavic can be used as an example albeit Bony is definitely the better striker). Lukaku has been a 1 in 2 striker just like Bony for the past two seasons and is the younger player and therefore more likely to improve. I also do not see where you have seen a source that says Bony is available for 10 million, that I could be wrong about though I think the only difference then will be that Boney would be regular at west brom. Check mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Youll definitely be first though mate. I can guarantee that. Hahaha probably right mate and I'd have good reason. It would be the most ridiculous thing ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I haven't watched as many Swansea games as you have mate so I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but Bony has played one season in the EPL and scored 16 goals. There have been many strikers that came in and took the league by storm (even someone like jelavic can be used as an example albeit Bony is definitely the better striker). Lukaku has been a 1 in 2 striker just like Bony for the past two seasons and is the younger player and therefore more likely to improve. I also do not see where you have seen a source that says Bony is available for 10 million, that I could be wrong about though Zaki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) I think the only difference then will be that Boney would be regular at west brom. Check mate! Not sure I fully understand, are you saying that Bony would have been a striker at west brom during Lukaku's first season there? That may have been true but it is pretty irrelevant now. That was two seasons ago, Lukaku's first season as a younger player in the EPL. The following season, he was on loan for our club (a top 5 team) and was a 1 in 2 striker. Now there were games were I was livid with Lukaku, no doubt about that. However I am used to seeing young players have their growing pains and he will only get better. Edit: I don't understand the Zaki response Cotto, not being dense. Care to explain please ? Edited June 23, 2014 by Toffee_in_LA Sibdane and MC11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Lukaku is a better option than Bony. Not much difference in goalscoring record. Lukaku will retain Value better. Lukaku doesn't play in the cup of nations. No brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Not sure I fully understand, are you saying that Bony would have been a striker at west brom during Lukaku's first season there? That may have been true but it is pretty irrelevant now. That was two seasons ago, Lukaku's first season as a younger player in the EPL. The following season, he was on loan for our club (a top 5 team) and was a 1 in 2 striker. Now there were games were I was livid with Lukaku, no doubt about that. However I am used to seeing young players have their growing pains and he will only get better. Edit: I don't understand the Zaki response Cotto, not being dense. Care to explain please ? Think it was an example of a layer who has come in and had a good first season. Toffee_in_LA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Keep in mind that Swansea fans criticize Bony for some of the same reasons we rip Lukaku. Inconsistency and playing brilliantly one match, but being completely anonymous in others. MC11, Sibdane and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Bony wasn't that impressive in the first half of the season a lot of people were calling him a waste of money etc. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Not sure I fully understand, are you saying that Bony would have been a striker at west brom during Lukaku's first season there? That may have been true but it is pretty irrelevant now. That was two seasons ago, Lukaku's first season as a younger player in the EPL. The following season, he was on loan for our club (a top 5 team) and was a 1 in 2 striker. Now there were games were I was livid with Lukaku, no doubt about that. However I am used to seeing young players have their growing pains and he will only get better. Edit: I don't understand the Zaki response Cotto, not being dense. Care to explain please ? Amir Zaki came over and banged goals in for Wigan a few seasons back then disappeared of the face of the earth. One season wonder! Toffee_in_LA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Think it was an example of a layer who has come in and had a good first season. Just looked him up, seemed like he was a highly unprofessional lad that did not take advantage of the opportunity he was given. Anyway back on topic, I trust RM if Traore does come back for another loan. The training staff has seen him practice/evaluated him and they must see something in him to warrant bringing him back Sibdane and Quinn31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Bony wasn't that impressive in the first half of the season a lot of people were calling him a waste of money etc. Hmmm... That might be a decent sign showing that he initially struggled to cope with the PL moving from the Dutch league, but found his way and can score goals? I think that's a better sign than showing inconsistency all season long (which I thought was the criticism of him) Just looked him up, seemed like he was a highly unprofessional lad that did not take advantage of the opportunity he was given. Anyway back on topic, I trust RM if Traore does come back for another loan. The training staff has seen him practice/evaluated him and they must see something in him to warrant bringing him back Agreed. Given that Roberto got to see Traore train some, I really don't think he'd bring him back if he didn't think Traore could contribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'm a pessimist I think Bobby wants to prove he didn't make a mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Hmmm... That might be a decent sign showing that he initially struggled to cope with the PL moving from the Dutch league, but found his way and can score goals? I think that's a better sign than showing inconsistency all season long (which I thought was the criticism of him) Agreed. Given that Roberto got to see Traore train some, I really don't think he'd bring him back if he didn't think Traore could contribute. Good point regarding Bony a good way of seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'm a pessimist I think Bobby wants to prove he didn't make a mistake lol it's a possibility and RM has an arrogant air to him (not in a negative way, but is confident in his abilities). I guess we'll just wait and see, assuming he is indeed coming back to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Im starting to get very worried about where our goals are going to come from next season. Roberto has said he want 4 CF for next season and if Traore is going to be one of them I hope the 4th one is shit hot because Kone, Naismith and Traore don't give me much hope Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Agreed. Very worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Agreed. Very worried. We were all very worried until ten minutes before the window closed last August, then all of a sudden Roberto was a genius. Keep the faith. Sibdane, markjazzbassist and nutmegwolf203 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 We were all very worried until ten minutes before the window closed last August, then all of a sudden Roberto was a genius. Keep the faith. amen. in the least wait till the WC is over, i'm sure well get one or 2 players then, and at the deadline i'm sure there will be more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 If we can find a half decent fourth striker we don't need to worry much. On their own Traore, Kone and Naismith don't sound too great but alongside one more decent forward they sound like solid back up. I thought Kone looked decent on his few appearances for us to be fair.he missed a couple of chances but also had a few more decent strikes. Naismith has proved himself in my eyes. Traore seems to have too many people rating him to be that poor. Wouldn't he be at the world cup barring injury and game time? I think we need to give him five or six games before we judge him, then one way or the other our questions will be answered. Toffee_in_LA, Sibdane and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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