Hafnia Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 He's not quite the shocking footballer most on here said he was... that's good. Been a good option off the bench - tidy feet, works hard and makes space. Good team player and that's evident in how we seem to stretch defences when he plays. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 He's already said he'd want to stay tbf. Yeah I did see, it confused me a bit. He's a good player and I wouldn't be disappointed if we signed him, as long as he's used as an impact sub and rotation for the cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 He has come in and done a job but if we are going to get to the level everyone hopes we will then he surely isn't good enough I'm still not convinced that he is an upgrade on Naismith This! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 the naismith that can't get a match to save his life IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP? lad's level has dropped dramatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Send him back and take Lanzini instead I remember Lanzini's first year, some West Ham fan got hammered () because he said he belived Lanzini's valuation should be about £50m and with that money they could bu Lukaku for £30m and like 3 other players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsernameEverton Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Decent player but 15m should be buying a striker to start week in and week out but he is no where near that standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 the naismith that can't get a match to save his life IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP? lad's level has dropped dramatically. Wow you've got a short memory haven't you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Decent player but 15m should be buying a striker to start week in and week out but he is no where near that standard.Going rate For squad player. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Going rate For squad player. £15m today was £5m 5 years ago. Your absolutely correct in saying that is the growing rate for a squad player, money in football has pushed prices higher. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Wow you've got a short memory haven't you. He's a shell of the same player haf. Sat in the bench permanently he can't get minutes to save his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 He's a shell of the same player haf. Sat in the bench permanently he can't get minutes to save his life. Played an hour on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 He's a shell of the same player haf. Sat in the bench permanently he can't get minutes to save his life. He may have declined - but the lad was a quality player for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) Naismith was like Kuyt was for the shite, wasn't the best gifted footballer but popped up with the important goals when it was really needed. Naismith was better than he is given credit for, I don't see Valencia in the same way, don't get me wrong Valencia is better than I thought he was when he first signed but he isn't a scratch on Naismith for me. Edited March 20, 2017 by aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 He may have declined - but the lad was a quality player for us. Agree, so what you want to sign him again for Europa rotation and cups? Fact of the matter is we will need bodies next year. He seems to get along well, koeman likes him, he's been able to contribute a few goals and assists and doesn't bitch about playing time. Sounds like a perfect bench player to me albeit a little pricey. nutmegwolf203 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmegwolf203 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Agree, so what you want to sign him again for Europa rotation and cups? Fact of the matter is we will need bodies next year. He seems to get along well, koeman likes him, he's been able to contribute a few goals and assists and doesn't bitch about playing time. Sounds like a perfect bench player to me albeit a little pricey. Yeah the price is the sticking point but you can't say he hasn't performed when called upon. He's aware we play a single striker down the middle yet still wants to be apart of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Just read a star we average a goal every 10mins he's on the pitch. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Just read a star we average a goal every 10mins he's on the pitch. Supports my whole point about having a goalscorer with an all round game and a team ethic. Not quite the lemon many predicted. I would take west ham fans opinions with a pinch of salt. Been a useful acquisition and I would argue that he could be used more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Fantastic decision by Koeman to bring him on yesterday, he made a massive difference and there have been very few occasions this season when that hasn't been the case. If we could get the fee down a little (doubtful) I wouldn't mind getting him permanently. We should have a lot of extra games next season so we need a bigger squad, and he looks like he'd be an excellent squad player. It helps that he seems to like it here and the other players like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Got an infectious energy. Presses for fun, skilful... Wonder if we had a pre agreed price. Laugh if it was £6m or something as that would be a bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 For me he's an impact player of the bench. A different option but I would t mind him permanently. duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Got an infectious energy. Presses for fun, skilful... Wonder if we had a pre agreed price. Laugh if it was £6m or something as that would be a bargain. It's £14m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 It's £14m. Nope... Wouldn't pay that. He's probably worth £10m but they haven't used him. Let them have him back and see what they will come back with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Can we really afford to pay that much for a player that should never be starting a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Nope... Wouldn't pay that. He's probably worth £10m but they haven't used him. Let them have him back and see what they will come back with. Can we really afford to pay that much for a player that should never be starting a game? That's why I said if we could get the fee down a bit then it'd be something to consider. If we do go for him I could see it being one that drags on until deadline day while both clubs dig their heels in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Supports my whole point about having a goalscorer with an all round game and a team ethic. That's fine but Valencia is doing this WITH an out and out goalscorer - we would not be doing as well with Valencia instead of Lukaku. Valencia's a great option - I'd be happy if we signed him permenantly but wouldn't see it as the end of the world if we didn't as I feel we'll be chasing a few other options too in the summer. £14m would be fine, especially if we're selling Niasse for a similar fee. What I wouldn't want to happen is Calvert-Lewin and Lookman go too far down the pecking order as both look like they'll have big futures here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 That's fine but Valencia is doing this WITH an out and out goalscorer - we would not be doing as well with Valencia instead of Lukaku. Valencia's a great option - I'd be happy if we signed him permenantly but wouldn't see it as the end of the world if we didn't as I feel we'll be chasing a few other options too in the summer. £14m would be fine, especially if we're selling Niasse for a similar fee. What I wouldn't want to happen is Calvert-Lewin and Lookman go too far down the pecking order as both look like they'll have big futures here. bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 That's fine but Valencia is doing this WITH an out and out goalscorer - we would not be doing as well with Valencia instead of Lukaku. Valencia's a great option - I'd be happy if we signed him permenantly but wouldn't see it as the end of the world if we didn't as I feel we'll be chasing a few other options too in the summer. £14m would be fine, especially if we're selling Niasse for a similar fee. What I wouldn't want to happen is Calvert-Lewin and Lookman go too far down the pecking order as both look like they'll have big futures here. That's why I said a goalscorer with an all round game.... rather than a goalscorer + an all round player = 2 positions taken. The whole premier league changed when mourinho brought in drogba and created a lone striker role. Whilst drogba was a brilliant goal scorer his all round game was superb. Brilliant with his back to goal, could link play, intelligent movement and singlehandedly made the two centre halved occupied. It's a point that I find myself repeating over and over again. I have stated that lukaku would prosper in a team with enough strength in the team that allows him to operate as a second striker. But not many top teams do this. As it stands we are good enough to put lesser teams to the sword but against the better teams lukaku is not able to give the players behind him the time or ability to advance up the field. We don't need a 20-25 goal a season striker to make top 4. We need a 15-20 goal striker who can do the things that Rom struggles to do. Are they out there? Definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Every team needs a 20-25 goal striker - problem is that they don't all have them. The reason we're not as good against the top teams is that we're not good enough yet. A point many find themselves repeating is building with Lukaku is easier than building without Lukaku. Put better players with and around him and we'll do better against the teams above us - seems simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 I'd take Valencia for 10 million, as long as he is content on being an impact sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Every team needs a 20-25 goal striker - problem is that they don't all have them. The reason we're not as good against the top teams is that we're not good enough yet. A point many find themselves repeating is building with Lukaku is easier than building without Lukaku. Put better players with and around him and we'll do better against the teams above us - seems simple. bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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