markjazzbassist Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, plaidharper said: In retrospect, what was up with those subs? what would you have done differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Perspective people. That was one extraordinary last 60 seconds. We thoroughly deserved to win tonight. They grabbed one back and nerves hit us. Even then, they need a dose of good luck. badaids and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, markjazzbassist said: what would you have done differently? Maybe not take off out two best performing players? As soon as he took Kean off I raised an eyebrow, then when he took Bernard off it was just utter confusion. We shouldn't have fucked it the way we did, but those subs he made were awful and it could have been a different story if they'd have stayed on. When Kean had space he was unplayable, why take him off as soon as he's obviously going to get space? More to the point why the fuck didnt Walcott make way instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said: what would you have done differently? attacking was working. why make more defensive and some useless subs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Palfy Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, Palfy said: Am I dreaming or do we look like a football team. Yes as I thought I was dreaming. plaidharper, Newty82, Shukes and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, Aidan said: Maybe not take off out two best performing players? As soon as he took Kean off I raised an eyebrow, then when he took Bernard off it was just utter confusion. We shouldn't have fucked it the way we did, but those subs he made were awful and it could have been a different story if they'd have stayed on. When Kean had space he was unplayable, why take him off as soon as he's obviously going to get space? More to the point why the fuck didnt Walcott make way instead? Just now, plaidharper said: attacking was working. why make more defensive and some useless subs? tell me who you would sub? i can't stand people who bitch about changing something but offer no alternative. who would you brought off and when and for whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said: what would you have done differently? Keep players on that can hold the ball and keep pressure off us. I agree. I always think bringing forwards off for defenders takes the pressure off the opposing team and invites pressure into you. Niasse can’t really be classed as a forward either, most don’t class him as a player Newty82 and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonsta Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 There is no reason for that even a piss poor side can keep a 2 goal lead for 2 mins. but not this lot i give up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Newty82 Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Right. Before anything else...before Newcastle even scored I was going to write this. And I've said this after other games and in other threads. This tactic of taking attacking players off for defensive players when we are on top in games - why?! Each time we've done it, we end up sitting deeper and deeper. We limit our options to the point where all we can do is pass it around the back. Today. First Kean off for Coleman. Defensive. Then Bernard off for Davies. Defensive. The Walcott off for Niasse. Why?!!! I don't like it. Absolutely fuming. Newcastle had absolutely no right to a single point in this game. Fuck all. Fuming. 2 points thrown away just like that. I'm not having that these defensive subs aren't getting us into trouble. Before the above...it was pretty much perfect. Everything was there other than more goals for us. Great performance. The only defence I can give for these backward subs is that the players are knackered, maybe because training is intense to get the message into them, how to play etc. Because our play is improving, there's some real pleasing elements there. But....fuckin hell...when will we see the end of these throw away games? Chach, plaidharper, pete0 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Shukes said: Keep players on that can hold the ball and keep pressure off us. I agree. I always think bringing forwards off for defenders takes the pressure off the opposing team and invites pressure into you. Niasse can’t really be classed as a forward either, most don’t class him as a player Also you do not always have to use all three subs. What just happened?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 we have no offensive players they are all injured. we have a body (niasse) and a kid (gordon). we literally have no attacking players other than that. iwobi and richarlison are hurt, tosun is gone. again for all the sub masters who would you have subbed and when and for whom? it's the same old thinking you know better without offering an alternative. monday morning quarterback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, plaidharper said: In retrospect, what was up with those subs? What when we were two nil up at ninety one minutes? Maybe those subs contributed. I don’t get your post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nogs Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: tell me who you would sub? i can't stand people who bitch about changing something but offer no alternative. who would you brought off and when and for whom? Just because you have three subs to make doesn't mean you have to use them all. Matt, dunlopp9987, Romey 1878 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, markjazzbassist said: we no offensive players they are all injured. we have a body (niasse) and a kid (gordon). we literally have no attacking players. iwobi and richarlison are hurt, tosun is gone. Don’t sub them then. There’s no rule that you have to make subs. And Kean looked like he wanted to stay on, didn’t looked gassed or anything. Palfy, plaidharper and Newty82 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, Finn balor said: What when we were two nil up at ninety one minutes? Maybe those subs contributed. I don’t get your post You know exactly what I mean and all three subs were not at 91' Also give me an example of said contribution... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 I’m getting off the site for a bit. Too many knobheads have turned up for me that talk absolute shite. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 bernard can't play a full 90 he's coming off injury and never plays a full 90. kean hasn't played a full 90 either and previous games was gassed. i don't think davies coleman and niasse are the answers, but i don't think keeping tired players is either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: tell me who you would sub? i can't stand people who bitch about changing something but offer no alternative. who would you brought off and when and for whom? It's not a rule that you have to make subs. It's not obligatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: tell me who you would sub? i can't stand people who bitch about changing something but offer no alternative. who would you brought off and when and for whom? Why do we feel obliged to make a change ? It was working. However, I've offered an alternative if you feast your eyes on my post the answer your question is Walcott, should have been the first one off. Kean was our biggest threat on the counter and was getting us up the pitch. Bernard was our creative spark. Davies came on and didn't settle into the game what so ever, had no pace or strength to see out the game, Bernard and Kean would have been better defensive options already on the pitch with the work rate and tenacity. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Well on the bright side if we'd held on we'd have been a point behind Sheff Utd and everyone would have been talking about Europe. We are nowhere near being ready for a a European campaign next season. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 The level of incompetence on show tonight is utterly staggering. Jordan Pickford completely unable to kill the game and command his area has cost us two points, utterly dismal at being a presence and shitting the bed twice allowing them to score. Mason Holgate who had a great game needs to to look at himself too. Clears the ball lazily with his right foot rather than his left to gift them a cheap throw in and then heads the ball out for a cheap corner which they score from. It's simply unacceptable to switch off and become lazy "because it's 2-0, Newcastle are shite and it's 91 minutes" as this is the what happens. Fabien Delph, abysmal. Twatting the ball right into Newcastle possession rather than playing it short and keeping the thing for another 60 seconds - dreadful. All three need a good bollocking for quite simply playing like inexperienced, terrified six-year olds. Edit: "Supporters" coming down the stairs saying "that's football" and "bloody Everton that" need to have a look at themselves too. It's not football or Everton, it's being brain-dead when a blind man on a galloping horse could see exactly what went wrong and what was going to happen. Matt and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Finn balor said: I’m getting off the site for a bit. Too many knobheads have turned up for me that talk absolute shite. You definitely need a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, Bailey said: Some odd subs from Bruce. Anyone would think they were the team winning. Hmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Finn balor said: I’m getting off the site for a bit. Too many knobheads have turned up for me that talk absolute shite. It's frustration Finn mate; what just happened was a once in a lifetime thing that people can't process, my lad's just said to me that he won't be able to get to sleep tonight because the absurdity of it will still be in his brain. It was nothing to do with the substitutions, nothing to do with us "shitting our pants" it was just a freak happening that happens once in a decade and this decade we're the fall guys. Shit happens. Matt and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said: Delph has been a terrible signing and to think media pundits were applauding the signing as a masterstroke. He is a prime example of why we should no longer be looking at other club's cast offs Was the first person to defend his signing, thought it was a great bit of business. Turns out he's better suited playing as a wide defensive player for a team that always has the ball and he has nothing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MikeO said: It's frustration Finn mate; what just happened was a once in a lifetime thing that people can't process, my lad's just said to me that he won't be able to get to sleep tonight because the absurdity of it will still be in his brain. It was nothing to do with the substitutions, nothing to do with us "shitting our pants" it was just a freak happening that happens once in a decade and this decade we're the fall guys. Shit happens. Erm....you sure it's a once in a lifetime happening?! Are you really sure? Once in a decade?! Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Ancelotti has to shoulder a lot of blame for that. We were under zero pressure, absolutely none. Newcastle hadn’t come to play, they didn’t even come alive once we took the lead. They still didn’t push us. As soon as we made our first sub we invited pressure. The second sub made it worse. And then Niasse... fucks sake. There is no point to him fucking existing. He doesn’t deserve a place on the bench. Im fuming with Ancelotti tbh and I think it’s warranted. pete0, Newty82, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Newty82 said: It's not a rule that you have to make subs. It's not obligatory. 15 minutes ago, Aidan said: Why do we feel obliged to make a change ? It was working. However, I've offered an alternative if you feast your eyes on my post the answer your question is Walcott, should have been the first one off. Kean was our biggest threat on the counter and was getting us up the pitch. Bernard was our creative spark. Davies came on and didn't settle into the game what so ever, had no pace or strength to see out the game, Bernard and Kean would have been better defensive options already on the pitch with the work rate and tenacity. so your solution to this evening was to make no changes and keep a gassed and coming back from injury bernard on the pitch as he was continually being bullied by newcastle's rugby players? keep kean on who hasn't finished a full 90 for us yet? honestly i give up. thinking that that would have changed the tide is just not comprehensible for me. the attitude of the players and their turning off and not playing to the whistle is what lost it. you can call it a winning mentality, you can call it mental toughness, whatever. that's the issue. a couple subs had nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Newcastle captain Jamaal Lascelles speaking to Match of the Day: "It's probably one of the weirdest game I’ve been involved in. "They were the better team but we’ve come back from being two goals down and that shows the spirit and courage in this team. So we’re pleased with that. "The work ethic carries on throughout all the game. They dropped off and allowed us to play, which benefited us towards the end of the game. We had good subs as well." Nah lad. Won't be anything to do with the subs. Irrelevant. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said: so your solution to this evening was to make no changes and keep a gassed and coming back from injury bernard on the pitch as he was continually being bullied by newcastle's rugby players? keep kean on who hasn't finished a full 90 for us yet? honestly i give up. thinking that that would have changed the tide is just not comprehensible for me. the attitude of the players and their turning off and not playing to the whistle is what lost it. you can call it a winning mentality, you can call it mental toughness, whatever. that's the issue. a couple subs had nothing to do with it. Please do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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