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Man of the Match v Crystal Palace


MOTM v Palace  

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    • Robin Olsen
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    • Seamus Coleman
    • Yerry Mina
      0
    • Michael Keane
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    • Lucas Digne
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    • Mason Holgate
    • André Gomes
    • Tom Davies
      0
    • Dominic Calvert-Lewin
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    • James Rodríguez
    • Richarlison
    • Gylfi Sigurðsson
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    • Ben Godfrey
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    • Jean-Philippe Gbamin
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Just now, pete0 said:

You'll get that effort from any fan, and any fan could have bagged at least one of those chances. Free kick needs addressing too. 

Should be fined a week's wages for that and I'm not even joking. We lost points by a single goal when we had three fucking free kick takers on the pitch with a free kick about 20 yards out. Honestly hoping the likes of Gylfi or Digne tear him a new one, I'd be beyond livid. 

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11 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

You on the wind up? 

Richarlison. Didn't. Play. Badly?

No I’m not. As a footballer, sometimes you just don’t have it your way, shots go wide ect.

Playing badly is not getting into positions to have those shots, not helping your team when needed, and not being involved in our only goal.

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Coleman, was involved in creating a lot of chances that other people missed. 
Mention for James for having on real opportunity and showed his quality. 

It wasn’t the game to bring Gbamin on for me. He isn’t up to speed, they didn’t give him a second on the ball. 

The lack of sub options we had again showed our poor strength in depth, but the game should have already been out of sight by then. 
 

Not too arsed about the free kick thing, yeah Richarlison was frustrated at missing those chances and fancied it. Coleman could have stepped in if he saw fit. I’m sure Carlo will take care of it. If it was a penalty I’m sure I’d be more concerned though. 

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1 hour ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Should be fined a week's wages for that and I'm not even joking. We lost points by a single goal when we had three fucking free kick takers on the pitch with a free kick about 20 yards out. Honestly hoping the likes of Gylfi or Digne tear him a new one, I'd be beyond livid. 

Ancelotti has to deal with this and not let the players deal with it on his behalf, in my eyes he has shown disrespect to the manager and his team mates, but what gets me is the weakness of Coleman the Captain standing twenty yards away and doing F all about it, he should have been straight over there and pulling rank on the situation. 

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7 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Ancelotti has to deal with this and not let the players deal with it on his behalf, in my eyes he has shown disrespect to the manager and his team mates, but what gets me is the weakness of Coleman the Captain standing twenty yards away and doing F all about it, he should have been straight over there and pulling rank on the situation. 

Would Roy Keane have put up with that? Absolutely not. As much as I love Seamus he should have been right in the middle of that the second Richarlison grabbed the ball and dragged him away, put him on his arse with a smack around the face if need be I couldn't care less. The disrespect of Richarlison to take the free-kick when we've got Sigurdsson, Digne and James (who are all world-class with a dead ball) is astounding, not to mention that we were 0-0 at the time so badly needed the goal. I could almost understand it if we were cruising but I just don't get the mentality of doing it when we're locked at 0-0 (or even 1-0 up). The players, i.e. - Coleman should have dealt with that themselves rather than bowing down to Richarlison's demands and I fully expect Carlo to address the situation if he hasn't already. 

He has disrespected the his team-mates, Carlo and the club. Might sound like I'm going overboard but playing for Everton shouldn't be a jolly where you dick about for 90 minutes, take the odd free-kick here, twat a 40 yard volley for the cameras there. I'd die for the shirt and if I were on the pitch would recognise that there are better players around me to strike a dead ball, individuality is really not what's needed at 0-0 when we're chasing an open door that Chelsea and Spurs left open by dropping points themselves.

It's a bit like the West Brom game, Sigurdsson comes off the bench and tells Digne to get off the corner because he's the designated taker - he whips the ball in and we score. It's all ifs, buts and maybes but who knows whether we would have scored from that? It's why I find it utter laughable how he's managed to get a MOTM vote on the back of that.

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

No I’m not. As a footballer, sometimes you just don’t have it your way, shots go wide ect.

Playing badly is not getting into positions to have those shots, not helping your team when needed, and not being involved in our only goal.

That first header should have been buried. The ball was perfect to the point all he had to do was keep his eyes on it but he ducks under it. It's amazing how many headed goals he has as he's one of the worse headerers (if that's a word) we've ever had up top. He helped waste the first chance too were his run is equally as bad as Gomes' decision to pass to him. 

I accept you won't score every chance but for me it should be 1 in 3. He's had 6 very good chances today and in general he's been missing sitters all season, far more than anyone else. He huffs and puffs until he's red in the face but a large amount is wasted due to his lack of football intelligence, poor runs and snapping at his shots. 

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7 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Would Roy Keane have put up with that? Absolutely not. As much as I love Seamus he should have been right in the middle of that the second Richarlison grabbed the ball and dragged him away, put him on his arse with a smack around the face if need be I couldn't care less. The disrespect of Richarlison to take the free-kick when we've got Sigurdsson, Digne and James (who are all world-class with a dead ball) is astounding, not to mention that we were 0-0 at the time so badly needed the goal. I could almost understand it if we were cruising but I just don't get the mentality of doing it when we're locked at 0-0 (or even 1-0 up). The players, i.e. - Coleman should have dealt with that themselves rather than bowing down to Richarlison's demands and I fully expect Carlo to address the situation if he hasn't already. 

He has disrespected the his team-mates, Carlo and the club. Might sound like I'm going overboard but playing for Everton shouldn't be a jolly where you dick about for 90 minutes, take the odd free-kick here, twat a 40 yard volley for the cameras there. I'd die for the shirt and if I were on the pitch would recognise that there are better players around me to strike a dead ball, individuality is really not what's needed at 0-0 when we're chasing an open door that Chelsea and Spurs left open by dropping points themselves.

It's a bit like the West Brom game, Sigurdsson comes off the bench and tells Digne to get off the corner because he's the designated taker - he whips the ball in and we score. It's all ifs, buts and maybes but who knows whether we would have scored from that? It's why I find it utter laughable how he's managed to get a MOTM vote on the back of that.

Your not going over board these are the sort of actions that destroy team spirit, I wouldn’t pick Richarlison or Coleman for motm because of that incident. 

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2 minutes ago, Shukes said:

But we all have our views and this is the MoM thread. 
I’m not here to argue that anyone’s opinion is wrong, I can do that in other threads.

My vote is in, I’m fine if you don’t agree 🙂

At first I thought you had mistaken it for mistake of the match😉

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41 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Would Roy Keane have put up with that? Absolutely not. As much as I love Seamus he should have been right in the middle of that the second Richarlison grabbed the ball and dragged him away, put him on his arse with a smack around the face if need be I couldn't care less. The disrespect of Richarlison to take the free-kick when we've got Sigurdsson, Digne and James (who are all world-class with a dead ball) is astounding, not to mention that we were 0-0 at the time so badly needed the goal. I could almost understand it if we were cruising but I just don't get the mentality of doing it when we're locked at 0-0 (or even 1-0 up). The players, i.e. - Coleman should have dealt with that themselves rather than bowing down to Richarlison's demands and I fully expect Carlo to address the situation if he hasn't already. 

He has disrespected the his team-mates, Carlo and the club. Might sound like I'm going overboard but playing for Everton shouldn't be a jolly where you dick about for 90 minutes, take the odd free-kick here, twat a 40 yard volley for the cameras there. I'd die for the shirt and if I were on the pitch would recognise that there are better players around me to strike a dead ball, individuality is really not what's needed at 0-0 when we're chasing an open door that Chelsea and Spurs left open by dropping points themselves.

It's a bit like the West Brom game, Sigurdsson comes off the bench and tells Digne to get off the corner because he's the designated taker - he whips the ball in and we score. It's all ifs, buts and maybes but who knows whether we would have scored from that? It's why I find it utter laughable how he's managed to get a MOTM vote on the back of that.

Good on Richarlison for taking the free kick! After all he won it. What made it more acceptable was the commentator saying Sigurdsson had only scored 7 out of 70+ direct free kicks. Basically he’s crap at them and him being a set piece specialist is a myth. On what basis is Sigurdsson “world class” In dead ball situations? 
 

Please accept other people’s opinions. I too also think Richarlison had decent game. Yes he missed chances but he was far from the worst performer. 

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3 minutes ago, MC11 said:

Good on Richarlison for taking the free kick! After all he won it. What made it more acceptable was the commentator saying Sigurdsson had only scored 7 out of 70+ direct free kicks. Basically he’s crap at them and him being a set piece specialist is a myth. On what basis is Sigurdsson “world class” In dead ball situations? 
 

Please accept other people’s opinions. I too also think Richarlison had decent game. Yes he missed chances but he was far from the worst performer. 

So basically Gylfi scores around 10% of his free-kicks? Funny how that makes him crap at them when the world's best, Lionel Messi has a conversion rate of 17.8% which is just 7.8% great than Sigurdsson, unless of course you believe that Messi is crap at them too? 

"Good on Richarlison for taking the free-kick, he won it after all" :doh:. Will do well to hear a shitter statement on this forum in 2021, basically in your opinion if Michael Keane or Mason Holgate go up for a corner, win a free-kick on the edge of the box they should take it ahead of the likes of Gylfi, Digne and James? Course they shouldn't. Stop posting shite. 

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3 hours ago, MC11 said:

Good on Richarlison for taking the free kick! After all he won it. What made it more acceptable was the commentator saying Sigurdsson had only scored 7 out of 70+ direct free kicks. Basically he’s crap at them and him being a set piece specialist is a myth. On what basis is Sigurdsson “world class” In dead ball situations? 
 

Please accept other people’s opinions. I too also think Richarlison had decent game. Yes he missed chances but he was far from the worst performer. 

He hasn’t scored a single one for us in a competitive game, he usually smashes it into the wall. 
 

Edit - And by “he”, I mean Sigurdsson. 

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2 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

So basically Gylfi scores around 10% of his free-kicks? Funny how that makes him crap at them when the world's best, Lionel Messi has a conversion rate of 17.8% which is just 7.8% great than Sigurdsson, unless of course you believe that Messi is crap at them too? 

"Good on Richarlison for taking the free-kick, he won it after all" :doh:. Will do well to hear a shitter statement on this forum in 2021, basically in your opinion if Michael Keane or Mason Holgate go up for a corner, win a free-kick on the edge of the box they should take it ahead of the likes of Gylfi, Digne and James? Course they shouldn't. Stop posting shite. 

Yes 7 from 70+ attempts is poor pal very poor and I’m sick of seeing him on the end of our free kicks. His conversion rate is terrible. 

What the hell are you going on about with the last paragraph? Sorry no that’s not my opinion at all. That’s something you’ve made up.
 

 

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3 hours ago, Palfy said:

Ancelotti has to deal with this and not let the players deal with it on his behalf, in my eyes he has shown disrespect to the manager and his team mates, but what gets me is the weakness of Coleman the Captain standing twenty yards away and doing F all about it, he should have been straight over there and pulling rank on the situation. 

Coleman had a good game as a player but as captain that moment was as bad as the strikers missing their chances. We lack real leaders. We need a centre back who is a real leader and Coleman whilst I love him needs to be stronger there.

James gets the vote for his moment of magic.

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2 minutes ago, Matt said:

We all know Richarlison can produce moments of magic, so I can completely understand Coleman not getting involved. If it’d gone in, would we be praising his good captain skills? Nonsense argument for me. 

Remember when Barkley wanted to take a free kick at Swansea when he wasn’t on free kicks? The only difference was his team mates didn’t complain. 

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I have no problems with Richarlison take it. He was confident and he was desperate to score. It was likely to be a right footer and Siggy isn't exactly doing much with his freekicks recently.

Richarlison worked his arse off all game to try and get us the three points, and whilst some of that was misguided, I prefer to see him trying to step up to the plate rather than someone like Siggy who can't be bothered to run after their most dangerous attacker when we are defending a 1 nil lead.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I have no problems with Richarlison take it. He was confident and he was desperate to score. It was likely to be a right footer and Siggy isn't exactly doing much with his freekicks recently.

Richarlison worked his arse off all game to try and get us the three points, and whilst some of that was misguided, I prefer to see him trying to step up to the plate rather than someone like Siggy who can't be bothered to run after their most dangerous attacker when we are defending a 1 nil lead.

It's not just recently, it's been his entire time here in terms of free-kicks. I have zero interest in direct free-kicks when Sigurdsson is standing over it so he can never take another direct free-kick for us again as far as I'm concerned.

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Regardless of whether you care or don’t care who takes free kicks, or penalties, it’s team orders it’s decided on the training pitch by the coaches, it’s not a fucking free for all which leads to 3 or 4 players all trying to grab the ball off someone who isn’t down to take the free kicks, when you start going down the road of disobeying team orders you put at risk the team togetherness. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Regardless of whether you care or don’t care who takes free kicks, or penalties, it’s team orders it’s decided on the training pitch by the coaches, it’s not a fucking free for all which leads to 3 or 4 players all trying to grab the ball off someone who isn’t down to take the free kicks, when you start going down the road of disobeying team orders you put at risk the team togetherness. 

Carlo said Richarlison is on the list of free-kick takers. 

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4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Carlo said Richarlison is on the list of free-kick takers. 

That’s called defusing the situation, but it doesn’t take a genius to workout from the reaction from the other players, and his that he wasn’t to be taking that free kick and that he went against team orders. And that’s the shit thing about players who break rank they put  others under unnecessary pressure  to cover their actions for the good of the team. He’s a loose canon that needs reigning in there’s no I in team no matter how good or better you might think you are against those around you, you play for the team and not just yourself in those situations and if players can’t be disciplined in them areas then they need to be brought to task or fucked off out of it. And if people think that’s an over reaction then they obviously haven’t been in or around football at a higher level or in some form of coaching capacity, the stakes are to high to have that sort of indiscipline occurring on the pitch especially in top tiers of football. 

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13 minutes ago, pete0 said:

The other players were clearly not happy with him taking it. Played like a selfish brat all game. Must have had a message under his shirt. 

Yeah I’m Captain beaky and this is my band, and I’ll do what I want and fuck the rest of you useless cunts. 

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6 hours ago, Palfy said:

Yeah I’m Captain beaky and this is my band, and I’ll do what I want and fuck the rest of you useless cunts. 

If that is the case, which I am not saying it is, then it shows how big the problems are with the rest of the players in the squad who let it happen.

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

If that is the case, which I am not saying it is, then it shows how big the problems are with the rest of the players in the squad who let it happen.

We can bat this back and forth a cross the net all week long and not agree that team orders should be obeyed, or  that anarchy should prevail and the most stubborn get there way. But to answer your question those who should have been involved in that free kick where their trying to wrestle the ball off him, and Coleman the Captain who could have pulled rank and resolved it stood 20yrds away and completely bottled it, again just shows we lack any resemblance of a leader in the team.

But we can carry on like the Chuckle brothers if you want, to you to me to you to me, and I’m not the dead one 😂

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20 hours ago, Palfy said:

We can bat this back and forth a cross the net all week long and not agree that team orders should be obeyed, or  that anarchy should prevail and the most stubborn get there way. But to answer your question those who should have been involved in that free kick where their trying to wrestle the ball off him, and Coleman the Captain who could have pulled rank and resolved it stood 20yrds away and completely bottled it, again just shows we lack any resemblance of a leader in the team.

But we can carry on like the Chuckle brothers if you want, to you to me to you to me, and I’m not the dead one 😂

Well that's no fun! ;)

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