Beto

[Btay]

Did see something about Gray being fined multiple times last season for being late the training & even the bus for a game day.

One thing with Dyche is his standards will be non negotiable & I am all for it. 

[patto]

3 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Ego is injured.

Has Dyche messed this up it now looks like we will get less money for gray. 
we should have let him go weeks ago. 
and paid extra money for Gnonto which would have saved us money in the long run.  
we might not even get Gnonto now really poor business. 

[StevO]

3 hours ago, patto said:

Has Dyche messed this up it now looks like we will get less money for gray. 
we should have let him go weeks ago. 
and paid extra money for Gnonto which would have saved us money in the long run.  
we might not even get Gnonto now really poor business. 

If we had let him go and didn’t get a replacement in then people would be calling for Dyche and Thelwell to be lynched. They have been sensible here. 

[Btay]

3 hours ago, patto said:

Has Dyche messed this up it now looks like we will get less money for gray. 
we should have let him go weeks ago. 
and paid extra money for Gnonto which would have saved us money in the long run.  
we might not even get Gnonto now really poor business. 

In the same sense had we sold Gray for 10-15 million Leeds could have slapped that on to whatever price they are asking for Gnonto. 

We simply do not know all the fine details of the negotiations but I am glad we are finally showing some financial constraint.

[Bill]

Back on track, we really need to get Beto before anyone else.

[patto]

1 hour ago, StevO said:

If we had let him go and didn’t get a replacement in then people would be calling for Dyche and Thelwell to be lynched. They have been sensible here. 

Dyche doesn’t want him so why take this stance he won’t use him at all. 
the later it goes into the window the less we get not sensible at all. 

[patto]

1 hour ago, Btay said:

In the same sense had we sold Gray for 10-15 million Leeds could have slapped that on to whatever price they are asking for Gnonto. 

We simply do not know all the fine details of the negotiations but I am glad we are finally showing some financial constraint.

They are slapping it on anyway now. 
it’s gone from 15 to 17m to what is now being reported to 25/30m although surely we won’t pay this. 

[Btay]

17 minutes ago, patto said:

They are slapping it on anyway now. 
it’s gone from 15 to 17m to what is now being reported to 25/30m although surely we won’t pay this. 

There is no certainty the figures quoted in the rumours are accurate. It could have been 25/30m at the start & we were offering 15-17m.

[StevO]

42 minutes ago, patto said:

Dyche doesn’t want him so why take this stance he won’t use him at all. 
the later it goes into the window the less we get not sensible at all. 

Because if we don’t manage to get a replacement he may use him. 
Too many times we’ve sold players and struggled to get a replacement. Much better to handle it like this, with a bit of caution. 

Why would we get less because it’s later? It’s not like players have to cost more in July than in August.
Selling teams tend to ask for more towards the end of the window as it gives less time to replace them, as Leeds will with Gnonto. So why would we not do the same? 

[StevO]

41 minutes ago, patto said:

They are slapping it on anyway now. 
it’s gone from 15 to 17m to what is now being reported to 25/30m although surely we won’t pay this. 

Exactly why players don’t cost less later in the window. 

[patto]

1 hour ago, StevO said:

Because if we don’t manage to get a replacement he may use him. 
Too many times we’ve sold players and struggled to get a replacement. Much better to handle it like this, with a bit of caution. 

Why would we get less because it’s later? It’s not like players have to cost more in July than in August.
Selling teams tend to ask for more towards the end of the window as it gives less time to replace them, as Leeds will with Gnonto. So why would we not do the same? 

The reason we won't do the same is as far as I know Gray is in the last year of his contract so if true he walks for nothing next summer gnonto has 4 years we have to sell Gray now also Iwobi walks for free so we need to sell him also or offer him a really good contract to get him to sign..

[StevO]

12 minutes ago, patto said:

The reason we won't do the same is as far as I know Gray is in the last year of his contract so if true he walks for nothing next summer gnonto has 4 years we have to sell Gray now also Iwobi walks for free so we need to sell him also or offer him a really good contract to get him to sign..

Which has nothing to do with if we sell him in July or August. 

[patto]

2 minutes ago, StevO said:

Which has nothing to do with if we sell him in July or August. 

Regardless we need to get money on Gray now let’s hope Palace or the Saudis come in. 

[patto]

47 minutes ago, RPG said:

If Dyche doesn't want him at Everton he can still use him as a bargaining chip in the transfer market.

With who ? And you also need Gray to want to move to the other club he won't go just to suit Dyche 

[chicagoblue]

7 hours ago, Bill said:

Back on track, we really need to get Beto before anyone else.

Anyway, you were saying?

[Cornish Steve]

13 hours ago, Bill said:

Back on track, we really need to get Beto before anyone else.

Come off it, Bill. If you want to talk about Beto, get over to the Gnonto thread.

[barryj]

On 15/08/2023 at 16:53, patto said:

The reason we won't do the same is as far as I know Gray is in the last year of his contract so if true he walks for nothing next summer gnonto has 4 years we have to sell Gray now also Iwobi walks for free so we need to sell him also or offer him a really good contract to get him to sign..

IMO we can’t afford to offer Iwobi a massively improved deal. He’s already one of the highest paid and paying him much more will cause us problems down the line. 

[Bill]

In my opinion we need to concentrate on getting Beto before  anybodey else. We Can't go into another season without a striker.

Trying hard to get back on track here peeps. When I come into this thread I expect to read about Beto not Gray or Iwobi.

[patto]

32 minutes ago, barryj said:

IMO we can’t afford to offer Iwobi a massively improved deal. He’s already one of the highest paid and paying him much more will cause us problems down the line. 

Sell him then. 

[Romey 1878]

 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

This week or this season ??

[Bill]

ffs we were supposed to be linked with him weeks  ago, i really like this one but we've left it so late that we will be held to ranson over the price so that we won't get him at all.

[patto]

3 minutes ago, Bill said:

ffs we were supposed to be linked with him weeks  ago, i really like this one but we've left it so late that we will be held to ranson over the price so we won't get him at all.

Nobody holds us to ransom

[c1982]

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

Quick, get some ‘good news’ out to balance the real news - no one will notice when this doesn’t get done before 1st Sept then we can think of something else in January.

[Bill]

The last offer we made was £2m short, I bet they want more than that now.

[Matt]

15 minutes ago, Bill said:

The last offer we made was £2m short, I bet they want more than that now.

Where did you get that from Bill?

[c1982]

Pretty sure the £2m was a claim made in the Gnonto deal when we were supposedly offering £15m or something - now there’s talk of £40m… basically, it’s all speculation and none of us know the finer details of negotiations and deals/structure.

[Bill]

34 minutes ago, Matt said:

Where did you get that from Bill?

From further up this thread.

Everton ‘ready’ to move for impressive striker with €35m clause – Toffees already had €28m offer turned down

By Sean Lunt -

1st June 2023

Edit ......  7 euros, its probably £4m rather than £2m.

[Matt]

18 minutes ago, Bill said:

From further up this thread.

Everton ‘ready’ to move for impressive striker with €35m clause – Toffees already had €28m offer turned down

By Sean Lunt -

1st June 2023

Ah thanks.

I'd really not read too much into it to be honest. Very few actually know what's going on and I just stay away from Twatter as a source of any information for anything.

[Bill]

Just edited it Matt.