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Let's face it.... arsenals record with player injuries is atrocious.   The most injured side in premier league history. 

Wenger has only just recently started to analyse players capacities etc. 

He had one ankle injury at Bournemouth.... most of his injuries are ankle ones.  

He's probably got no ligament strength. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, pete0 said:

He's a little wimp and gives up when he loses the ball. Gets away with it at arsenal as more often than not he'll get a fk, but he's not get them here and just look pathetic on the floor as the opposition run away with it from him. We need stronger players mentally. 

glad i'm not the only one.  he's a pussy.

2 hours ago, aaron said:

He's an absolute media darling. Rather invest those wages into someone else.

yeah poor jack, the pride of england, i don't get the hype either.

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1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

glad i'm not the only one.  he's a pussy.

yeah poor jack, the pride of england, i don't get the hype either.

One of the best transitional midfielders in the league.  The way he takes the ball on the turn is up there with the best.  One touch... low centre of gravity....

A very good player. Bit of a nob the way he's always fronting players up but you can't argue with his ability... has lots of ability. 

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Just now, hafnia said:

One of the best transitional midfielders in the league.  The way he takes the ball on the turn is up there with the best.  One touch... low centre of gravity....

A very good player. Bit of a nob the way he's always fronting players up but you can't argue with his ability... has lots of ability. 

he is a complete knob, napoleon complex to the max the little fucker.  tries to square up to his own dad if he loses in the back yard i bet.  i don't want that bad attitude here, that's not everton being a spoiled prick

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3 hours ago, Aidan said:

We need a unit. A fit, fighting, strong, 6ft 4 unit that can be the enforcer of that flimsy midfield we have.

Doucoure, or someone like that. None of this Jack Wiltshire shite he Walcott and half of the rest of our team would be keeping the medical team on overtime.

I actually do agree with you on having a strong CM, but I'd take Wilshere in a heartbeat too, especially on a free.

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I'd have him on a free but only after the team is sorted as in our new manager wants him and other midfielders have moved on and a left back + cb have been bought and our lw situation is sorted either from what we have or also from the market....... So... probably won't have him, ha.

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

he is a complete knob, napoleon complex to the max the little fucker.  tries to square up to his own dad if he loses in the back yard i bet.  i don't want that bad attitude here, that's not everton being a spoiled prick

I think the issue with players like that tends to disappear when they play for you. 

If only the likes of schneiderlin had that bit of fight eh? 

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4 hours ago, hafnia said:

I think the issue with players like that tends to disappear when they play for you. 

If only the likes of schneiderlin had that bit of fight eh? 

good point morgan can get himself a transfer out of here because he just doesn't fit the club ethos.

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

good point morgan can get himself a transfer out of here because he just doesn't fit the club ethos.

Any clubs have a club ethos that encourages players to not give a shit?

Any clubs encourage their players to start laughing when watching us get beaten by atalanta?

Any clubs encourage such players to shrug their shoulders at enraged fans who question whether they care that we get beat?

The same player was invited to walk off the training pitch by unsworth after showing disregard for a drill.... he took up that invite.

...... I don't mind players who are a bit spikey and want to win when you consider all that. 

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24 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Yeah, him being on a free will definitely offset the possibility of him remaining a crock.

It appears he's got China ankles but I honestly think if you factor in the injuries at arsenal them you can maybe take a gamble.  

He's had fatigue fractures and hairline cracks. Makes you wonder about playing too much when he was under developed. 

I think if his physical condition is managed correctly - if it can be them he is a top level midfielder of the ilk we are looking for.

- always looks to take the ball from the defence and plays forward

- incredibly composed on the ball and able to take it in close quarters. 

- can shoot from distance

- great passer

 

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, hafnia said:

It appears he's got China ankles but I honestly think if you factor in the injuries at arsenal them you can maybe take a gamble.  

He's had fatigue fractures and hairline cracks. Makes you wonder about playing too much when he was under developed. 

I think if his physical condition is managed correctly - if it can be them he is a top level midfielder of the ilk we are looking for.

- always looks to take the ball from the defence and plays forward

- incredibly composed on the ball and able to take it in close quarters. 

- can shoot from distance

- great passer

 

 

 

 

I'm not arguing his ability or that he'd be a good signing for us if he can stay fit. But an £8m signing-on fee, and then being one of our top earners, represents a lot more than a gamble.

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Lightyears ahead of anything we've got in the squad. Stop fooling yourselves, our team is garbage and Wilshere would stroll into it with or without his crocked ankles.

I'm getting the same vibe from Evertonians about Wilshere as I got with Walcott. Walcott is already the best player in our team by a country mile.

We still need a grock in midfield to dominate possession and bully the opposition. Whether that's Nzonzi, Dembele of Spurs or someone else is down to the manager; but Wilshere would fill a creative void in midfield that Davies, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Klaassen and Sigurdsson have failed to make their own this season.

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14 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I'm not arguing his ability or that he'd be a good signing for us if he can stay fit. But an £8m signing-on fee, and then being one of our top earners, represents a lot more than a gamble.

Compared to the money we spunked last summer it's a no brainer.

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8m for a player of Wilshires ability is an absolute steal. I would be really surprised if he came here as I would be expecting CL teams to be taking advantage of this.

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29 minutes ago, Shukes said:

8m for a player of Wilshires ability is an absolute steal. I would be really surprised if he came here as I would be expecting CL teams to be taking advantage of this.

I've come to the conclusion that many football fans wouldn't know a good player if he came up and booted a ball in their face ;-)

Complaints about Wilshere's attitude. We've got far too many "nice guys" in the squad and that's part of the problem. It's the reason McCarthy broke his leg, nice boy Morgan didn't have the temperament to bust a gut and make a challenge so McCarthy had to make a last ditch desperate attempt and paid the price.

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21 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Paul he is nowhere close to Walcott in ability and 5 times more injured than Walcott has been.  Terrible comparison.

Completely different players - Walcott is explosive. You’re right though - purely based on footballing ability e.g passing, control, vision, creativity, intelligence and what they do with the ball - they are miles apart. Wilshere is a much better footballer.

If Wilshere didn’t have his injury problems then we wouldn’t even be mentioned - it’d be Man C, Barca, Real.

Regardless, I think this is nothing more than his agent touting him about to force Arsenal’s hand.

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

Paul he is nowhere close to Walcott in ability and 5 times more injured than Walcott has been.  Terrible comparison.

 

hes Gibson and McCarthy replacement on the physio table.  No thanks.

You serious??? Wilshere operates on a technical level that is not in the remit of your general English footballer.  He doesn't take more than a touch or two every time gets the ball.... he's a proper footballer. 

Walcott is a brilliant speedster and a decent player but ffs you can't even compare the two. Wilshere is a pure footballer. 

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

Paul he is nowhere close to Walcott in ability and 5 times more injured than Walcott has been.  Terrible comparison.

 

hes Gibson and McCarthy replacement on the physio table.  No thanks.

Ability wise he is a mile above Walcott mate.

I dthink br think Arsenal will even let him go, they can’t afford to lose that type of quality. One of their better players.

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2 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Ability wise he is a mile above Walcott mate.

I dthink br think Arsenal will even let him go, they can’t afford to lose that type of quality. One of their better players.

He doesn't want to leave but Arsenal only want him if he signs a contract based more on play and pay, can we really afford to take the risk on player who it constantly injured.

It would seem even Arsenal have had enough of paying someone to stay at home most Saturday's and lay on the physio's bench during the week, for me to much of a risk but still a good player when fit.

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He played 27 last season and has played 31 in all comps so far this season. Yes he’s had a bad run with injuries in his short career so far but maybe that’s behind him and his best years are yet to come. £8m sign-on and say £100k a week seems ridiculous but sadly it’s a drop in the ocean with the billions you see in this league nowadays. Based on 3 seasons we’d be looking at a £24m outlay - 3 decent seasons and we’d recoup that easily. 3 shite seasons... well we’ve spent more on worse recently!

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3 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said:

I've come to the conclusion that many football fans wouldn't know a good player if he came up and booted a ball in their face ;-)

Complaints about Wilshere's attitude. We've got far too many "nice guys" in the squad and that's part of the problem. It's the reason McCarthy broke his leg, nice boy Morgan didn't have the temperament to bust a gut and make a challenge so McCarthy had to make a last ditch desperate attempt and paid the price.

Not his attitude. His mentality. He's one of the weakest players in the league. Only difference between him and schneiderlein would be Wilshire would've hit the deck and blamed his boots. He's got no fight and shirks responsibility. 

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The English bias is so strong.  Because he can thread some passes he’s now xavi and Real Madrid and Barca could be calling:  laughable, he was at Bournemouth last campaign. That’s his level.  Notice we are linked, 10th place Everton.  Not Peps city who should want the English pirlo, no Everton who play punt and run.  Thanks for the laughs guys.

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Just now, markjazzbassist said:

The English bias is so strong.  Because he can thread some passes he’s now xavi and Real Madrid and Barca could be calling:  laughable, he was at Bournemouth last campaign. That’s his level.  Notice we are linked, 10th place Everton.  Not Peps city who should want the English pirlo, no Everton who play punt and run.  Thanks for the laughs guys.

No, people who rate him are saying he would have been talked of at a much higher level had it not been for the injuries that have halted his incredible potential early in his career. He went to Bornemouth on the back of hardly playing for over 2 years - I personally respect that decision as it would have been easier for him to sit on the bench for Arsenal. He’s obviously not going to attract the very top teams now but to think a fully fit Wilshere wouldn’t improve Everton suggests you haven’t seen us play much in the past couple of years.

 

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24 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

The English bias is so strong.  Because he can thread some passes he’s now xavi and Real Madrid and Barca could be calling:  laughable, he was at Bournemouth last campaign. That’s his level.  Notice we are linked, 10th place Everton.  Not Peps city who should want the English pirlo, no Everton who play punt and run.  Thanks for the laughs guys.

No Bias, just recognise that he is a gifted player when fit. And you may rate Everton as a punt and run, but I think we are much more than that and want to see us being linked with players like this.

Watch him a few times and you will see he is a box to box player who is always looking to receive a ball and play forward. 

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On 17/03/2018 at 14:13, markjazzbassist said:

The English bias is so strong.  Because he can thread some passes he’s now xavi and Real Madrid and Barca could be calling:  laughable, he was at Bournemouth last campaign. That’s his level.  Notice we are linked, 10th place Everton.  Not Peps city who should want the English pirlo, no Everton who play punt and run.  Thanks for the laughs guys.

Talking shit.  English bias?  The top level footballing talented midfielders like scholes, Carrick, le tissier, hoddle won a fraction of the England caps that they would have won if we had managers who harnessed that talent rather than playing the likes of Henderson, Steve stones, Terry fenwick, ince, ahead of them.

The likes of zidane and xavi laughed their tits off that paul scholes retired from England when he would have been first name on their respective countries  team sheets. 

No one is saying wilshere is xavi.... what we are saying is that an injury free wilshere is a superb footballer who pisses on anything we have in terms of pure football ability and brain. 

 

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2 hours ago, hafnia said:

Talking shit.  English bias?  The top level footballing talented midfielders like scholes, Carrick, le tissier, hoddle won a fraction of the England caps that they would have won if we had managers who harnessed that talent rather than playing the likes of Henderson, Steve stones, Terry fenwick, ince, ahead of them.

The likes of zidane and xavi laughed their tits off that paul scholes retired from England when he would have been first name on their respective countries  team sheets. 

No one is saying wilshere is xavi.... what we are saying is that an injury free wilshere is a superb footballer who pisses on anything we have in terms of pure football ability and brain. 

 

an injury free wilshere doesn't exist, so that "good footballer" doesn't exist.   we spunked on junk this summer, i want healthy players of quality who can play a whole campagin.  we already have mccarthy the injury prone CM, don't need another.

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Can’t agree with that at all,Walcott has been a good signing. In no way ya is he a waste of money.

Yes he was a risk due to his horrendous injury record, but it’s proved to be a shrewd move. Wilshire could be another one.

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

an injury free wilshere doesn't exist, so that "good footballer" doesn't exist.   we spunked on junk this summer, i want healthy players of quality who can play a whole campagin.  we already have mccarthy the injury prone CM, don't need another.

Wilshere has a better injury record than Walcott. But you are happy with Walcott. 

Yeah.... I recall you being annoyed at McCarthy and his injury proneness being the reason he broke his leg. 

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19 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Wilshere has a better injury record than Walcott. But you are happy with Walcott. 

Yeah.... I recall you being annoyed at McCarthy and his injury proneness being the reason he broke his leg. 

I'm sure 99% of sane football fans would choose Theo over Wiltshire.

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10 minutes ago, Aidan said:

I'm sure 99% of sane football fans would choose Theo over Wiltshire.

Wilshere is a centre midfielder . .  Theo is a right winger so i don't think it's a comparitive choice.

Whatever you think of wilshere he has a highly regarded fan base of ex pros who believe he is a tremendous footballer. 

 

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6 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Wilshere is a centre midfielder . .  Theo is a right winger so i don't think it's a comparitive choice.

Whatever you think of wilshere he has a highly regarded fan base of ex pros who believe he is a tremendous footballer. 

 

But in a completely hypothetical world, if there was a choice it would be Walcott. 

Plus just looking on games played, since Wiltshire started at Arsenal Walcott has made many more appearances than him, so I'm not sure what you mean by Wiltshire having a better injury record.

IMO Wiltshire is a YouTube Superstar, whilst Theo has consistently proven he is a great player in this league. 

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6 minutes ago, Bill said:

When fit, which is not very often.

The whole point of this is that he has come through injuries..... hopefully has learned how to manage himself. He had a good spell of games with Bournemouth and of recent his games for arsenal have shown him to be getting back the quality he had.

Lots of young players can suffer injuries early on and get a good spell. Look at Gerrard, giggs.  £8m signing fee.....  bargain if we get him at that. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Aidan said:

But in a completely hypothetical world, if there was a choice it would be Walcott. 

Plus just looking on games played, since Wiltshire started at Arsenal Walcott has made many more appearances than him, so I'm not sure what you mean by Wiltshire having a better injury record.

IMO Wiltshire is a YouTube Superstar, whilst Theo has consistently proven he is a great player in this league. 

It's wilshere... but no I do not see where you are going at all. 

Wilshere when fit played the majority of games for arsenal in the centre. Theo Walcott has had similar injury issues over a longer period of time and spent time not nailing down a steady role.

I'm made up we got Walcott but it bemuses me how someone is ok to have Walcott at £20m yet scoffs at getting wilshere for £8m. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, hafnia said:

It's wilshere... but no I do not see where you are going at all. 

Wilshere when fit played the majority of games for arsenal in the centre. Theo Walcott has had similar injury issues over a longer period of time and spent time not nailing down a steady role.

I'm made up we got Walcott but it bemuses me how someone is ok to have Walcott at £20m yet scoffs at getting wilshere for £8m. 

 

 

Waste of transfer money and waste of wages.

Walcott was a bargain at £20m due to the inflated market - superb goals and assists combined, proven talent if not always fit. 

Wiltshire is a Gibson mk2 waiting to rot somewhere for the rest of his career - and now I've said that he is bound to sign and become a superstar! 

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Guys Wilshire is a class act ability wise. I’m guessing most of you have only watched highlights etc... and I do t mean that disrespectfully, as he plays for another team.

I watch Arsenal quite a bit due to my son, and when he is on the pitch, he is the player that everything happens around. He controls their whole team.

I have no idea if he is over his injuries or not, but if he is, then we can’t turn players like that down. He would be better than anything we have.

The comments about Gibson mk2 are good  insults,  but just insults. He is a world away in ability from Gibson. He is a hundred times the player that Gibson was at his best.

The only question is his injury record.

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Some players are good enough to take on despite a poor injury record.  Gibson wasn't, wilshere is.

Gibson wasn't arsed about his career and he isnt a patch on jack. Wilshere has been foolish as a young lad but I believe he has a desire to prove himself and reach levels that his potential promised. 

This kid ran the midfield against the best Barca team in years.... says a lot.

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Imo that's a sensible move for Arsenal, they obviously still have reservations about his injury record and don't want to pay him huge sums while lying in the medical room.

I,d go one further than that, offer a pay if you play contract, as it should be for all well known sicknotes.

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

Imo that's a sensible move for Arsenal, they obviously still have reservations about his injury record and don't want to pay him huge sums while lying in the medical room.

I,d go one further than that, offer a pay if you play contract, as it should be for all well known sicknotes.

I imagine that would knock us out of the running straight away because the other clubs probably won't.

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I would rather have Ramsay, but Wilshere is very good as well. For  £ 8.000.000 is a no brainer. Sigh, Morgan fucking Schneiderlin earns that for a season.

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