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Great find by Watford - he seems to have the lot. Great work rate and attitude for this league too. Think he’ll leave them in the summer for a massive profit for Watford and I’m sure teams like Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool will look at him. I’d love him here but don’t think it will happen.

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He's been really good for Watford this season. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Would he come here if ManU and Chelsea are after him?

ManU has Mourinho which doesn't really suit the attacking style of him, and I don't expect Conte to be at Chelsea next season, so there's a big question mark there too. Our manager situation is also up in the air.

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Thats an insane amount of money for a player that only played well for a few months. 

I thought he looked very good under Silva. He had everything (bar maybe not being the best finisher) but things seemed to sour for him once Silva left. I saw him get subbed off and throw a hissy a couple of times too. 

We should be finding the next Richarlison.

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it says which could be worth 50m.  which means it will be 35m-40m plus add ons.  honestly i'd be happy with that, he's very young, brazilian (we need to get one to start recruiting others), and if he lives up to his potential could be sold in a few years to barca/real for double/triple that.  

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Yeah, we should probably stop discussing transfer fees. The market is insane these days, we just have to adjust to it or stop talking about it. It's not our money and as fans we should be only interested in player's value on the pitch. So the question is, is he going to be an asset for us regardless of the fee?

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13 minutes ago, Haiku said:

Yeah, we should probably stop discussing transfer fees. The market is insane these days, we just have to adjust to it or stop talking about it. It's not our money and as fans we should be only interested in player's value on the pitch. So the question is, is he going to be an asset for us regardless of the fee?

If he comes the answer is a resounding yes.

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he would be the de facto starter on the left if he came, maybe why we would sell lookman.  i had a laugh, transfermarkt has a Comparable players column, Lozano is on there for Richarlison.  

 

who would you rather have?  for me richarlison, proven he can do it in the prem already (albeit for half a campaign).

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It won't be a flat out £50m fee it'll be rising to that amount 

He's 21 already shown in his first season he's a proper player with massive amounts of potential so I'm not to arsed about a fee that will rise to that kind of figure he's hardly a yard dog it's the potential your paying for 

 

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2 minutes ago, c1982 said:

I’m seeing £40m being reported with £10m of that as ‘compensation’ for Silva to get Watford off our backs. £30m for him in this market is about right - the extra £10m makes Watford look good and appeases their fans.

i was wondering if the overpayment was to make good with them.  makes sense.  30m plus 10m "make good" and then add ons, i'm more than happy with that.

 

circle back in 2 days and get doucoure of them after we've made good :guns:

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It's a lot to pay for a guy with 5 goals and 4 assists in 38 matches. I fear for what this means for Lookman. Walcott is still our best winger. Lookman needs game time to develop. If we pay 40+ million for Richarlison, I doubt Lookman will get that time.

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He has absolutely no left foot. Watched him in a few games, tap ins back  left post he tries to awkwardly tries to use his right foot.

also - 6 month purple patch of form does not in any case mean he’s proven... see Cisse ( Newcastle ) Amir Zaki (Wigan). I hope I’m proven wrong - but I have major doubts over this guy. 

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36 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Jumping for joy, mate.

I said I'd trust Silva and Brands until they gave me reason not to. Well, they'll have given me reason not to with their very first signing. Good going that.

I'll kind of agree with you IF the price is £50mill. Even in an inflated market, that is insane. The guy looks a good player, but not yet a £50mill player.

A fee of half that with add on's will be ok.

Can't even believe we are trying to deal with Watford after the Silva saga!

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12 hours ago, nyblue23 said:

It's a lot to pay for a guy with 5 goals and 4 assists in 38 matches. I fear for what this means for Lookman. Walcott is still our best winger. Lookman needs game time to develop. If we pay 40+ million for Richarlison, I doubt Lookman will get that time.

We need more than 2 wingers, especially give Walcotts injury record

if Lookman doesn’t have the stomach to fight for his place then we should take the money and fuck him off now

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I don't get why we would be prepared to face an FA investigation after months of saying we did nothing wrong only to then suddenly throw in £10mil extra on a signing as "compensation". Ultimately it wouldn't discontinue any action either unless it was formally drafted into the sale and Watford would still be able to pursue us. I wouldn't trust any verbal agreement with the Pozzo's.

 

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https://www.tifofootball.com/features/richarlison-to-everton-need-is-everything-transfer-fees-are-almost-incidental/

here’s more than one conclusion to draw from Everton’s impending capture of Richarlison. Clearly, £50m is a lot to spend on a player who sagged badly throughout the second half of his first season in Europe. Equally though, it seems analysis-but-price-tag is an increasingly redundant measure of a transfer’s economy.

Really, it’s just fodder for social media one-upmanship.

With Richarlison specifically, it’s probably a mistake to judge him on his form between December and May. History shows that young players often struggle with the attritional nature of the Premier League, particularly when they’ve joined from outside Europe, and that there’s usually a physical tax to pay at some point in that season. That’s the first asterisk.

Secondly, it’s worth dwelling upon the circumstances which have brought Marco Silva himself to Everton. Yes, he was ultimately culpable for Watford’s slide in form, but he was also battling a significant injury list throughout his time at Vicarage Road. A midfield which was so impressive during the Autumn had to be reconfigured after Nathaniel Chalobah’s injury and, elsewhere, Silva fought all sorts of continuity issues across the pitch. Richarlison was actually one of only two players (Abdoulaye Doucoure being the other) who started more than thirty games in 2017-18 and that should inform any assessment of his individual performances. Attacking players are always dependent on chemistry, in front, inside and behind them, and he operated with an almost revolving cast of teammates.

And, of course, a different manager. Watford is a strange club, it works in a unique way, and every season since they’ve been back in the Premier League has seen them fade after Christmas. It’s a cost of their operating procedure, perhaps the price of their progress-by-shock model, but – whatever the case – it seems far more reasonable to attribute Richarlison’s downturn to that cultural issue than it would be to any personal failing.

Ultimately, transfers are also shaped by need. Everton need to become more direct. They need speed, goals, and players who can do more than push the ball around in the attacking third. The Brazilian is one of those and at just 21 there’s every reason to believe that he can not only improve as a footballer, but also soar in value between now and his mid-twenties. So – yes – Everton are probably paying over the odds at the moment, but they are still satisfying a technical requirement that they have in the process and, all being well, putting themselves in position to take advantage of market inflation in the future.

£50m remains a lot of money, but this sort of navel-gazing has become reflexive in recent years – tellingly, particularly when it involves teams who aren’t associated with that kind of expenditure. Manchester City, United, Liverpool and Chelsea toss these kind of fees around without the slightest hesitation, meaning that clubs in Everton’s position have to either attempt to match them or accept slipping either further out of reach.

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It’s a depressing reality, but it’s one the game itself should bear responsibility for. In this case, Everton are just paying the necessary price for improvement. In the same month that Manchester City have bought Riyad Mahrez for £60m, a 27 year-old who they don’t really need, is it so outrageous for them to invest heavily in someone much younger, who will start every week and who, tentatively, may just have the greater potential?

The game “went” a long time ago. Everton trying to remain relevant within it is neither here nor there.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Jumping for joy, mate.

I said I'd trust Silva and Brands until they gave me reason not to. Well, they'll have given me reason not to with their very first signing. Good going that.

I trust them on Richarlison, if we lose (which I hope we do) Mirallas and Bolasie then this makes sense, especially given both Brands and Silva rate him.

The fee will be the deciding factor, anything like the Siggy fee would be stupid, but if it is around to 20 - 30 mark with add on's based on performance then I would be happy with that.

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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everything-marco-silva-richarlison-said-14936369

 

Marco Silva on Richarlison

August 2017

Press Association - "I don't like too much to talk about individual players but, of course, I'm happy," Silva said about Richarlison.

"I know very well the player, we analysed the player for the last month and a half before we signed him.

"He's a talent, it's easy for you to understand that, but he's not only a talent. He's a player who comes every day to work hard, to learn as well. He's a young boy, 20 years old, his first moments in Europe and he can't say one word in English.

"It's the moment to be calm with him, to give time to him as well."

September 2017

Watford Observer - “It is important for the boy. He is an amazing talent in my opinion at 20-years-old. He is one boy we believe in who really likes to work every day,” Silva said.

“Today is maybe not his best performance but he scored in one important moment for him.”

   

September 2017

The Express - “We had to act very fast. We made contact with him and when I knew the player was ready to travel to sign with Ajax I had to stop everything and call him.

“It was a Sunday and he was due to travel to Ajax on the Monday. I explained everything and what I expected from him. I told him I believed in him and I wanted him to come here and help us.

“I told him that Ajax was a big club – they are in the Champions League – but I told him how the challenge in the Premier League would be different to Ajax."

October 2017

Sky Sports - "He is a fantastic boy, an amazing talent," Silva said. "From the first day I arrived I said to the board that I want him, because I believe a lot in this player.

"You never know how he will react because this is another country, but everything he has done until now is amazing," he added. "His skills coming into the Premier League are very good."

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Richarlison on Marco Silva

September 2017

O Jogo (via SportWitness ) - "His professionalism delighted me. We can expect that Marco will be among the best coaches in the world very soon.

“We have a very good relationship. When the players don’t understand the tactical part, for example, he takes one by one and explains what he wants. He prioritises the tactical part.

"Some days ago he took me to his office, told me everything that I needed to hear. This helped me very, very much. When I go on the pitch I remember his words in that conversation.”

September 2017

Watford Observer - "[Silva] called me and told me he wanted me here at Watford, that he knew of my potential, that I could play three positions in the attack.

"And when he called me I got super happy. That day, if I’m not mistaken, I already had the Ajax proposal, everything was already agreed. Marco Silva called me then, so I changed my mind."

February 2018

 

The Evening Standard - "I was asleep in my house and (Watford team-mate) Heurelho Gomes came over, woke me, to tell me the news. I was very sad and I reacted without thinking.

"I owe Marco a lot because he is the one that called me before I came to Watford. I moved here because of him. He helped me every day and was extremely good with me.

"Marco is the person who is the least to blame (for the bad results) but was the one who paid the highest price. The ones on the pitch were the players, not him."

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He didn’t even manage to be a half season wonder. I see absolutely nothing to get excited about by signing a bit of a shit flash in the pan regardless of price. 

The desperation for signings is strong in this one. 

I obviously hope he proves me wrong but I see him flopping majorly and us struggling to shift him this time next year. 

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4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

He didn’t even manage to be a half season wonder. I see absolutely nothing to get excited about by signing a bit of a shit flash in the pan regardless of price. 

The desperation for signings is strong in this one. 

I obviously hope he proves me wrong but I see him flopping majorly and us struggling to shift him this time next year. 

Silva has worked with him and Brands tried to sign him. I trust their judgement.

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Can’t remember where or when I posted it, but I remember saying that something like this was inevitable (ie we sign Silva and overpay for one of their players as a type of compensation). 

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