London Blue Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Stones has the potential to be the best central defender in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Key word being potential. I don't think he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Stones has the potential to be the most over hyped centre half in the world. He makes stupid uneccasary mistakes. £50m?... never worth that. He's not actually very good at defending. It's great bringing the ball out when you don't give it away... but he doesnt always manage that. Edited September 22, 2016 by Hafnia MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 It's all about opinions and time will tell I suppose Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Stones has the potential to be the best central defender in the world. Not many blues want to admit it though mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Not many blues want to admit it though mate.He's crap now that he's left. It's a weird coping mechanism for our fans. It's the same every time someone's linked away or talks about leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Don't buy that personally, most blues I know understand what I great player Stones can be. He's doing well at City and will grow playing at that level. On the plus side, Williams suits what we are trying to do and has been great so far. Williams will contribute more to us on the field than Stones did, only due to the need for his many strengths. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Not many blues want to admit it though mate. Not want to admit it.... Why? I thought Rooney would be the best player in the world... did moving to the mancs change that? No. I truly thought he was and probably still to this day is the best 17 year old footballer I've seen. Sadly he probably peaked within the next 2 years.... I still think we seen almost the best of him. Stones is a product of media fascination with defenders supposedly being able to look like elegant ball playing/carrying Beckenbauer's. It's about as much use as Tits on a bull if that said player can't pick up his man, win his headers or makes monumental fuck ups that cost the team. At his best he looks a great player, at his average or worst he's a liability...thd likes of moore, Beckenbauer, baresi never looked average or a liability.... the glossy stuff was the icing on the cake - first and foremost they knew how to stop the other team scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 He's crap now that he's left. It's a weird coping mechanism for our fans. It's the same every time someone's linked away or talks about leaving. you're new here but if you read back in the stones thread you'll see many here still thought he was overrated when playing for us. its' not like we all were thinking he's a worldie and then he leaves and he's shit. most of the posters here have a good barometer for player valuation and talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 you're new here but if you read back in the stones thread you'll see many here still thought he was overrated when playing for us. its' not like we all were thinking he's a worldie and then he leaves and he's shit. most of the posters here have a good barometer for player valuation and talent. He'd put in a transfer request. He went crap the instant he put that in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 He'd put in a transfer request. He went crap the instant he put that in. nah people were on to him well before that. they would say things like "he's quality and has all the tools to be a top top defender, he just needs to be more consistent and stop the brain farts that cause goals" which is exactly where he stands today. if he can cut out the brain farts he will be a top player. if not? still be a top defender but not the "best defender in the world" mantle some have said he could be. make the fans at the match are fickle, and sure some here are, but for the most part people are level headed and objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 He'd put in a transfer requstedest. He went crap the instant he put that in. No he didn't... he had an exceptional game against chelsea just after, a couple more after that... then the cockiness manifested itself in quite a dramatic fashion. Opposition knew he was a risk taker and he was targeted - his composure suddenly became a bit jittery. His confidence was shot and he did the have a core defensive game to fall back on. He still doesn't. Funny. Fans slate barkley because he's not a good defending midfielder despite being a good attacking midfielder yet excuse stones for being a defensive air head because he looks classy bringing it out... you kinda can't be a shitty defender when you are in the last line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 It was me and Haf who said he wasn't as good as people made out. That wasn't down to him handing in a transfer request. That was down to him making mistake after mistake and ball watching leading to use shipping in goals. He's not that good and there's no way he'll ever be the best CB in the world! markjazzbassist and MikeO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 No he didn't... he had an exceptional game against chelsea just after, a couple more after that... then the cockiness manifested itself in quite a dramatic fashion. Opposition knew he was a risk taker and he was targeted - his composure suddenly became a bit jittery. His confidence was shot and he did the have a core defensive game to fall back on. He still doesn't. Funny. Fans slate barkley because he's not a good defending midfielder despite being a good attacking midfielder yet excuse stones for being a defensive air head because he looks classy bringing it out... you kinda can't be a shitty defender when you are in the last line. It's funny how the likes of Barcelona, City, United and Chelsea haven't got a competent scout between them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 It's funny how the likes of Barcelona, City, United and Chelsea haven't got a competent scout between them Barca i would disagree with you with best the rest have terrible scouts. City signed Bony for 30m, Chelsea RE-BOUGHT David Luiz, United have signed mercenaries for years since SAF left and are still punching well below their weight. All three of those clubs just buy "hottest player on the market" players. There's no scouting to Nolito, he's torn La Liga in half playing for a shit Celta Vigo side, no brainer that one. Same with all the United (Pogba, Ibra, etc) and Chelsea (Michy, Kante, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 It was me and Haf who said he wasn't as good as people made out. That wasn't down to him handing in a transfer request. That was down to him making mistake after mistake and ball watching leading to use shipping in goals. He's not that good and there's no way he'll ever be the best CB in the world! You and Haf v Guardiola and virtually every pundit on the planet. Difficult one to call. duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 It's funny how the likes of Barcelona, City, United and Chelsea haven't got a competent scout between them Again that's a matter of opinion isn't it? Every single one of those clubs have signed very expensive mistakes.... players who in all seriousness turned out to be dog shit. Again.... are we to all surrender our amateur opinion because somewhere someone earning money to talk or do something in the game thinks differently? I ask you this.... is stones a very good defender of his goal? Is he a defender who like the dave Watson, Richard gough, Tony Adams, Gary palister, Terry butcher will run a defence.... bully the strikers? Nope. Every now and then he will look a smart arse but not all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 You and Haf v Guardiola and virtually every pundit on the planet. Difficult one to call. Not necessarily. Jamie carragher, Gary neville, souness, Lee dixon I've heard the lot bemused at his defending. But again... just because they are paid for their opinion does it make them right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 You and Haf v Guardiola and virtually every pundit on the planet. Difficult one to call. Maybe it was back in 83? End of the day IMO he's massively overrated. Time will tell just like 83-gate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Maybe it was back in 83? End of the day IMO he's massively overrated. Time will tell just like 83-gate What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 What? 83-gate. It went on and on. And I said we'd have to wait and see. Yeh you lost you were wrong about that. Maybe you could call this Stones-gate in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Not necessarily. Jamie carragher, Gary neville, souness, Lee dixon I've heard the lot bemused at his defending. But again... just because they are paid for their opinion does it make them right? They all say he's potentially brilliant but needs to work on stuff. True. He has the potential to be the best we've had in decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 83-gate. It went on and on. And I said we'd have to wait and see. Yeh you lost you were wrong about that. Maybe you could call this Stones-gate in the future No idea what you're referring to. But I'm sure you were right, you always are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 They all say he's potentially brilliant but needs to work on stuff. True. He has the potential to be the best we've had in decades. The icing on the cake is there already... the sponge cake looks a bit flimsy. We don't know if he will be a good defender. At this moment he's a 6/10 defender and a 9/10 footballer. I've seen many a shite defender play great defensive games. Great defensive players rarely if ever play poor defensive games.... this lad has clocked up shit loads of them. People say he needs time etc. I watched Rio Ferdinan at the 2000 world cup. He was 21 and by far the best defender I have seen at that age, not because he could play but because he was like a race horse in defence. His concentration levels were supreme. Stones as I say looks the part every now and then but lacks too much to be a quality defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 IMO he is nowhere near as good as Stones , but then I rate Stones very highly He is however more than good enough to be back up to Jags and Williams. I think we are lucky to have a 3rd choice CB of his quality I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 You and Haf v Guardiola and virtually every pundit on the planet. Difficult one to call. That made me laugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Again that's a matter of opinion isn't it? Every single one of those clubs have signed very expensive mistakes.... players who in all seriousness turned out to be dog shit. Again.... are we to all surrender our amateur opinion because somewhere someone earning money to talk or do something in the game thinks differently? I ask you this.... is stones a very good defender of his goal? Is he a defender who like the dave Watson, Richard gough, Tony Adams, Gary palister, Terry butcher will run a defence.... bully the strikers? Nope. Every now and then he will look a smart arse but not all the time. To be fair City did get it hopelessly wrong with Bony as did Stoke City if yesterday's reports of him being lazy and having a bad attitude are true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) To be fair City did get it hopelessly wrong with Bony as did Stoke City if yesterday's reports of him being lazy and having a bad attitude are true Beautiful. Your loyalty to a player means you need to slate any such pretender to his throne that we didn't even sign. Kinda like east 17 fans slating take that. Will prove to be a great signing. Not all players are cut out to be 20 minutes here and there as a replacement for the best striker in the league. Had to do a search. Mark Hughes has blown those reports out the water... not the type of manager to cover for a lazy player now is he.... come on dunc... get some rest let it go. Talking about mori to stones.... Edited September 24, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Stones must really have regressed, Haf, because your change of opinion of him is startling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Re Funes Mori ... It's wrong to judge him on performance during which he's asked to play out of position. Moyes did this all the time and plenty slam him for it; why should Koeman get a free pass? Sometimes (and the League Cup is a good case in point), it's ok to experiment, but let's not judge players based on experiments. Funes Mori is a talented guy and brings a lot to this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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