Davy Klaassen

[markjazzbassist]

6 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Allardyce added midfielder Davy Klaassen's proposed loan move to Serie A leaders Napoli fell through because of the "weirdest situation".

"A contract he has with a sporting company is one of the reasons why it failed," he said.

"We are disappointed but he should be far more disappointed than us that he is not playing for Napoli.

"I don't know why they couldn't get over the hurdles."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42897189

if true that is a real damning of the modern game.  apparel companies snuffing out loan moves?  WTF?

[Shukes]

I have some dirty washing... where is the best place I can hang it out for all to see?

wow this guy is an idiot. How did he ever get to his position.

[Shukes]

1 minute ago, plaidharper said:

If minutes are needed why doesn't he play in the u23 side for a game or two. Coleman and Bolasie both did. Garbutt down there trying to impress.

Feel like something more is going on.

Totally agree. 

[Romey 1878]

55 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I have some dirty washing... where is the best place I can hang it out for all to see?

wow this guy is an idiot. How did he ever get to his position.

And you thought Koeman was bad for this  

[Shukes]

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

And you thought Koeman was bad for this  

Bloody hell, Koeman is an amateur conpred to Sam. I can see why him and Moshiri are a couple made in heaven.

Neither know when to just shut up! 

[MikeO]

6 hours ago, pete0 said:

Allardyce added midfielder Davy Klaassen's proposed loan move to Serie A leaders Napoli fell through because of the "weirdest situation".

"A contract he has with a sporting company is one of the reasons why it failed," he said.

"We are disappointed but he should be far more disappointed than us that he is not playing for Napoli.

"I don't know why they couldn't get over the hurdles."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42897189

Link is to a Lookman article with no mention of Klassen.

[badaids]

8 hours ago, pete0 said:

Allardyce added midfielder Davy Klaassen's proposed loan move to Serie A leaders Napoli fell through because of the "weirdest situation".

"A contract he has with a sporting company is one of the reasons why it failed," he said.

"We are disappointed but he should be far more disappointed than us that he is not playing for Napoli.

"I don't know why they couldn't get over the hurdles."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42897189

On Talksport yesterday an Italian agent was saying that Napoli are renowned to be a nightmare club to deal with because the owner is some cunt film-maker, who insists on complicated image rights for all the players.  This agent, Tancredi something or other, his opinion was that until Napoli sort out this out, they'll never be able to sign the players that will catch them up with Juvé.

[Quinn31]

2 hours ago, badaids said:

On Talksport yesterday an Italian agent was saying that Napoli are renowned to be a nightmare club to deal with because the owner is some cunt film-maker, who insists on complicated image rights for all the players.  This agent, Tancredi something or other, his opinion was that until Napoli sort out this out, they'll never be able to sign the players that will catch them up with Juvé.

That's the most Italian thing I've ever heard

[Elston Gunnn]

6 hours ago, MikeO said:

Link is to a Lookman article with no mention of Klassen.

It’s there, scroll down to last part of article.

[MikeO]

5 hours ago, Elston Gunnn said:

It’s there, scroll down to last part of article.

Ah yes, sorry; short attention span.

[Paddock]

Why is he not being played in the rezzies to at least kep him match fit.

[Romey 1878]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/02/davy-klaassen-everton-football-money-allardyce

[Bailey]

I cant say that I have been overly impressed with the glimpses I have seen of Klaassen in an Everton shirt but I thought I would see if there is a decent scouting video of him on Youtube (ie not the goals/assists rubbish you normally get) and came across this one:

This lad is a player but he has a very precise skill set and I think that is the main problem he has had since he has come here.

You don't really want Klaassen in your side if you plan on defending for 90 minutes but his vision, passing and movement is world class. The speed of the league nor the physicality of it should be too much of a problem for him because his mind is really sharp and technically he is excellent. You want this lad playing in the attacking role of a 3 man midfield but not as a no 10. He will need to be involved positionally when defending to help the structure of the team but he will come alive hitting teams on the counter attack, playing 1 touch football in and around the box and I would expect that he would enjoy playing with Walcott in the team, slipping him in through the channels.

I would like to see him and Davies dovetailed in games so that Davies plays the more defensive games and Klaassen plays the easier games where we need that little bit more quality on the ball.

[nogs]

2 hours ago, Bailey said:

I cant say that I have been overly impressed with the glimpses I have seen of Klaassen in an Everton shirt but I thought I would see if there is a decent scouting video of him on Youtube (ie not the goals/assists rubbish you normally get) and came across this one:

This lad is a player but he has a very precise skill set and I think that is the main problem he has had since he has come here.

You don't really want Klaassen in your side if you plan on defending for 90 minutes but his vision, passing and movement is world class. The speed of the league nor the physicality of it should be too much of a problem for him because his mind is really sharp and technically he is excellent. You want this lad playing in the attacking role of a 3 man midfield but not as a no 10. He will need to be involved positionally when defending to help the structure of the team but he will come alive hitting teams on the counter attack, playing 1 touch football in and around the box and I would expect that he would enjoy playing with Walcott in the team, slipping him in through the channels.

I would like to see him and Davies dovetailed in games so that Davies plays the more defensive games and Klaassen plays the easier games where we need that little bit more quality on the ball.

Bailey I'm sorry but his movement has been absolutely diabolical when he has played and the speed and physicality have absolutely found him out. Forget scouting videos, go watch him back in an Everton shirt. He's a dud, it's time to let it go. 

[London Blue]

7 minutes ago, nogs said:

Bailey I'm sorry but his movement has been absolutely diabolical when he has played and the speed and physicality have absolutely found him out. Forget scouting videos, go watch him back in an Everton shirt. He's a dud, it's time to let it go. 

He has not had time to adjust to the premier league, and has not had enough game time to make an informed decision on him yet.

Let alone having had 3 managers, a dysfunctional squad and unsettled team.

[nogs]

2 minutes ago, London Blue said:

He has not had time to adjust to the premier league, and has not had enough game time to make an informed decision on him yet.

Let alone having had 3 managers, a dysfunctional squad and unsettled team.

So you should just keep risking playing someone who you're likely to have to sub at half time they're playing that badly? 

[London Blue]

Just now, nogs said:

So you should just keep risk playing someone who you're likely to have to sub at half time they're playing that badly? 

No, you should let him have sub appearances against weaker teams when the game is safe, building up to starts over time.

Klaassen needs to adjust to the pace of English football so a season of training with the first team, sub appearances and building on his strength, then he will be ready to step up next season.

[Bailey]

21 minutes ago, nogs said:

Bailey I'm sorry but his movement has been absolutely diabolical when he has played and the speed and physicality have absolutely found him out. Forget scouting videos, go watch him back in an Everton shirt. He's a dud, it's time to let it go. 

I have and his movement is the one decent thing about him, especially early season.

Watch the highlights of this game and see how he just doesn't stop moving, driving into the box, a couple of nice one touch passes.

Players with vision and technique like he has don't get found out by physicality and speed of the league. I am not saying he will go in against CBs and win the ball and he will get nudged off the ball some times but it wont stop him playing his game. Again, the speed of the game should be fine for him because he can see the runs and he is a brilliant one touch passer.

There isnt much doubt in my mind that he has what it needs to be successful in this league, when used the right way. He might have some psychological issues that obviously I wouldn't be able to comment upon but from a footballing perspective he should be a big player in this league.

 

[EFC-Paul]

46 minutes ago, nogs said:

So you should just keep risking playing someone who you're likely to have to sub at half time they're playing that badly? 

Schneiderlin...  actually the majority of the fucking players fit into that bracket 

 

[nogs]

34 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I have and his movement is the one decent thing about him, especially early season.

Watch the highlights of this game and see how he just doesn't stop moving, driving into the box, a couple of nice one touch passes.

Players with vision and technique like he has don't get found out by physicality and speed of the league. I am not saying he will go in against CBs and win the ball and he will get nudged off the ball some times but it wont stop him playing his game. Again, the speed of the game should be fine for him because he can see the runs and he is a brilliant one touch passer.

There isnt much doubt in my mind that he has what it needs to be successful in this league, when used the right way. He might have some psychological issues that obviously I wouldn't be able to comment upon but from a footballing perspective he should be a big player in this league.

 

Garbage opposition, and how long ago was that? Go watch the Lyon game again. I repeat, his movement was woeful, wandering round looking utterly lost. And he bottles every challenge, so physicality clearly is an issue

[Bailey]

3 hours ago, nogs said:

Garbage opposition, and how long ago was that? Go watch the Lyon game again. I repeat, his movement was woeful, wandering round looking utterly lost. And he bottles every challenge, so physicality clearly is an issue

It doesn't matter who the opposition is, you either see those things or you don't. 

Bottling every challenge has nothin to do with phsyicality, that's a mental thing. Klaassen wasn't bought to win 50/50s he was bought for what he could do at the other end of the pitch. 

[nogs]

2 hours ago, Bailey said:

It doesn't matter who the opposition is, you either see those things or you don't. 

Bottling every challenge has nothin to do with phsyicality, that's a mental thing. Klaassen wasn't bought to win 50/50s he was bought for what he could do at the other end of the pitch. 

Well I don't remember him scoring or creating too many goals either to be honest. 

You mentioned in an earlier post about him having a very particular set of skills. That to me is the problem. The way football is played at the moment demands all rounders, athletic, quick players with good feet, great engines and the ability to play different roles. From what you're saying, Klaassen needs a team built around him to suit his strengths, which is what Ajax did. But that is never going to happen here or in any of Europe's top leagues. 

Ask yourself this - can you even dream of a scenario where Klaassen would get a game in the forward line or midfield of any of the top 6 in the Prem? No, because he simply isn'tt good enough, that's why no one else was in for him. And what's even more telling is, we're a million miles of the top 6 in the football we play at the moment, and he's not good enough to even make the bench for us. 

[London Blue]

2 hours ago, nogs said:

Well I don't remember him scoring or creating too many goals either to be honest. 

You mentioned in an earlier post about him having a very particular set of skills. That to me is the problem. The way football is played at the moment demands all rounders, athletic, quick players with good feet, great engines and the ability to play different roles. From what you're saying, Klaassen needs a team built around him to suit his strengths, which is what Ajax did. But that is never going to happen here or in any of Europe's top leagues. 

Ask yourself this - can you even dream of a scenario where Klaassen would get a game in the forward line or midfield of any of the top 6 in the Prem? No, because he simply isn'ttt good enough, that's why no one else was in for him. And what's even more telling is, we're a million miles of the top 6 in the football we play at the moment, and he's not good enough to even make the bench for us. 

I don't know how you can judge a player on a handful of appearances in a new league, a new team, and a struggling team at that. 

 

[Bailey]

22 hours ago, nogs said:

Well I don't remember him scoring or creating too many goals either to be honest. 

You mentioned in an earlier post about him having a very particular set of skills. That to me is the problem. The way football is played at the moment demands all rounders, athletic, quick players with good feet, great engines and the ability to play different roles. From what you're saying, Klaassen needs a team built around him to suit his strengths, which is what Ajax did. But that is never going to happen here or in any of Europe's top leagues. 

Ask yourself this - can you even dream of a scenario where Klaassen would get a game in the forward line or midfield of any of the top 6 in the Prem? No, because he simply isn'ttt good enough, that's why no one else was in for him. And what's even more telling is, we're a million miles of the top 6 in the football we play at the moment, and he's not good enough to even make the bench for us. 

He has had a handful of chances Nogs. I remember him missing a few chances but that sums him up for us. 

I disagree, a lot of teams play a specialist player, certainly almost all the top teams in fact. To name just a couple you can include Ozil, Hazard, Yaya Toure (for City). I dont think he necessarily needs a team built around him but you will always struggle having an offensive player in a shit defensive team. He hasnt done well here, dont think that I am saying he has, but he is definitely better than he has shown.

I would actually argue that Klaassen would be a good fit for Arsenal, Liverpool and potentially City. Chelsea and Utd he wouldn't and I'm not sure about Spurs either. When you look at the first 3 teams I mentioned they all play light midfielders, high press (bar Arsenal) interchanging, lots of possession and lots of movement.

Something clearly is right with him, he certainly wouldnt suit an Allardyce side, but that doesnt excuse his absence for Koeman or Unsy. I would put money on their being a psychological problem, which is again a sign that he isnt the type of character we want, but purely as a footballer he deserves more time under a decent manager.

[nogs]

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

He has had a handful of chances Nogs. I remember him missing a few chances but that sums him up for us. 

I disagree, a lot of teams play a specialist player, certainly almost all the top teams in fact. To name just a couple you can include Ozil, Hazard, Yaya Toure (for City). I dont think he necessarily needs a team built around him but you will always struggle having an offensive player in a shit defensive team. He hasnt done well here, dont think that I am saying he has, but he is definitely better than he has shown.

I would actually argue that Klaassen would be a good fit for Arsenal, Liverpool and potentially City. Chelsea and Utd he wouldn't and I'm not sure about Spurs either. When you look at the first 3 teams I mentioned they all play light midfielders, high press (bar Arsenal) interchanging, lots of possession and lots of movement.

Something clearly is right with him, he certainly wouldnt suit an Allardyce side, but that doesnt excuse his absence for Koeman or Unsy. I would put money on their being a psychological problem, which is again a sign that he isnt the type of character we want, but purely as a footballer he deserves more time under a decent manager.

Sorry Bailey but Hazard can play anywhere across the front 3, number 10 in a two, AM... Toure hardly gets a kick anymore but he is the exact opposite of what I'm talking about with Klaassen, a DM who was able to add so much more too his game through sheer physicality and and athleticism. And Ozil... Well I'm not even going to try to explain why trying to compare Klaassen to him is ridiculous. You're talking about a player who has more assists than any other player in any of the top leagues in Europe. 

I also completely disagree that Klaassen could fit in with Liverpool or City. Have you watched Liverpool under Klopp? Where would he play? Out of any other manager in the PL, Klopp picks a front 6 based on athleticism and energy. Klaassen couldn't be more unsuited to the high press. And as for City... who's job are you suggesting he does, De Bruyne or Silva? He couldn't play like De Bruyne if his life depended on it because he just does not have the same all round attributes. And for Silva, see my comments on Ozil. You're trying to compare him to one of the most creatively talented players in Europe. He. Just. isn'tt. 

Put it this way - as dog shit as we've been this season, don't you think Ozil or Silva would have waltzed into our team and had an immediate and huge impact? So let's not be silly. If he was this wonderful talent some people insist he must be,  he wouldn't be sat in the stands watching every game. 

[Bailey]

33 minutes ago, nogs said:

Sorry Bailey but Hazard can play anywhere across the front 3, number 10 in a two, AM... Toure hardly gets a kick anymore but he is the exact opposite of what I'm talking about with Klaassen, a DM who was able to add so much more too his game through sheer physicality and and athleticism. And Ozil... Well I'm not even going to try to explain why trying to compare Klaassen to him is ridiculous. You're talking about a player who has more assists than any other player in any of the top leagues in Europe. 

I also completely disagree that Klaassen could fit in with Liverpool or City. Have you watched Liverpool under Klopp? Where would he play? Out of any other manager in the PL, Klopp picks a front 6 based on athleticism and energy. Klaassen couldn't be more unsuited to the high press. And as for City... who's job are you suggesting he does, De Bruyne or Silva? He couldn't play like De Bruyne if his life depended on it because he just does not have the same all round attributes. And for Silva, see my comments on Ozil. You're trying to compare him to one of the most creatively talented players in Europe. He. Just. isn'ttt. 

Put it this way - as dog shit as we've been this season, don't you think Ozil or Silva would have waltzed into our team and had an immediate and huge impact? So let's not be silly. If he was this wonderful talent some people insist he must be,  he wouldn't be sat in the stands watching every game. 

FFS... I knew mentioning those players would promote this response. We are talking about those players roles in the teams they are in. Ozil does fuck all defensively so you have to have players around him. Same with Toure when he was playing advanced for City. I'm not comparing him to those players overall ability.

Those things you mentioned are characteristics of the Ajax team he was in. Clever pressing, clever movement. Emre Can isn'tt a physical specimen, nor Lallana, nor Ox, in fact name me one of the players behind the front 3 that is! 

At City he would play in a similar way to Gundogan. He isn'tt the same as the two you mentioned,  but he could rotate with them and play in that side.

Anyway this is a pointless debate. Have a good evening.

[Romey 1878]

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/17-18/news/36232.html

Every time he mentions next season a little bit of me dies

[MikeO]

1 hour ago, patto said:

Silver in that's what I want

He's just a money grabber...

[EFC-Paul]

47 minutes ago, MikeO said:

He's just a money grabber...

He goes to the same surgeon as Cuco 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

He goes to the same surgeon as Cuco 

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