Wiggytop Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 Still love the bloke, we really miss his energy, he’s not the most refined player, but he’s a pain to play against. KinL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 Had a very good game this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted September 7, 2022 Report Share Posted September 7, 2022 Good for Richie, first CL goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 7, 2022 Report Share Posted September 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: Good for Richie, first CL goal Goals…. 2 of them, good headers. KinL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted September 7, 2022 Report Share Posted September 7, 2022 Genuinely thrilled for him. Did everything he could here and now getting his reward with champions league goals he’ll remember forever. Sibdane, KinL, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 17, 2022 Report Share Posted September 17, 2022 https://www.football365.com/news/richarlison-claims-everton-suffer-lack-of-ambition-thinks-tottenham-transfer-came-right-time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 17, 2022 Report Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.football365.com/news/richarlison-claims-everton-suffer-lack-of-ambition-thinks-tottenham-transfer-came-right-time Hard to hear but he's not wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/richarlison-everton-frank-lampard-dropped-25079663 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63056129 Aren't we supposed to be improving as a species? Disgusting behaviour. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, Matt said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63056129 Aren't we supposed to be improving as a species? Disgusting behaviour. It’s ok Matt, we do things like take a knee, wear armbands, have managers talk about how terrible it is etc. I mean… what else can we do, maybe throw a bit more tokenism at it, have some faux outrage and give the virtue signallers a platform. I despair. We live in a society where people advertise “look how diverse I am” - yet we do nothing to punish scum and deter scummy behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 Racism will never end. (sadly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Zoo 2.0 said: Racism will never end. (sadly). Not going to whilst people aren’t held to account. Get players off the pitch, throw people behind bars. Too much money to be lost, so the powers that be will just encourage more tokenism. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 47 minutes ago, RPG said: Coming from a military background (1980's era) where micky taking was to the point, witty but never (or extremely rarely) given or taken in a deliberately offensive/offended way, I sometimes wonder if we have somehow lost sight of what we are trying to achieve here. We would verbally give each other unfettered 'banter' (using terminology that would give the woke brigade palpitations today) throughout our working life but we were all sure in the knowledge that we would look out for each other whenever the occasion required it, be it in uniform, at the local pubs and clubs or anywhere else in between and, consequently, individual morale and unit efficiency was always very good. No individual or group of any kind was constantly picked on. We wouldn't have stood for that but you had to learn how to take it as well as give it. The way Richarlison was treated was disgraceful. Anything like that in 'my day' would have been dealt with immediately, forcefully and effectively 'in house' and the perpetrator would have known, without a shadow of a doubt, that he was on a yellow card. The PC brigade have pretty much removed that 'nip it in the bud' option from the table today, I think. Some may argue that that is a good thing but I don't agree. Maliciously intended, racist comments or actions have no place whatsoever in a civilised society but we seem to have spawned a generation of 'professionally offended' people who try to play the 'I'm offended' card to try to manipulate everyone else in a very 'passive/aggressive' and virtue signalling manner which I also have no time for. I know it is a very simplistic (and even obtuse) analogy but I am reminded of the advice I was given when preparing for a Primary School exam - 'It's better to attempt 100 questions and get 80 correct than to attempt 60, get them all correct but then run out of time and fail to achieve the pass mark of 70.' It seems to me that there are people out there (not on this thread I hope) who would rather we attempted no questions so that we don't risk getting any wrong. We have to find a balance if we wish to live in a truly harmonious and improving society and I don't see us getting any closer to a common sense solution. I find this to be both sad and worrying. Humour is an important tool in effective communication and just as some people are tall, short, blond, ginger, bald etc, so we all come in different colours. That in itself is fantastic. What is not so fantastic is the way that as soon as gentle humour involving race is mentioned, it sends some people on a real , and invariably, counter productive, OTT reaction. I have no idea what the solution is. I am not even sure we are even looking in the right place any longer. Good place to start is to stop with woke/PC/etc. It's not remotely relevant and only splits the efforts for the cause whilst detracting from it. Same goes the other way. It needs a united response. "Tokenism" and action, from all. "Tokenism" is like advertising, to get the ideal represented and in people's minds. It's a way of visually identifying the goal. Without action to back it up, it's largely meaningless at best, self destructive at worst. Action requires this symbol so that it has an end goal. Actions without an end goal creates chaos, leads to loss of money and time creating more frustration and resentment. It's not 1 or the other. It needs a unified approach and for the more sensitive (on both sides of the spectrum) to shut the fuck up, get some context and work together, through gritted teeth if needed. Romey 1878 and Hafnia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just a grumpy rant. Day 6 of testing positive and I'm not a happy bunny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Matt said: Good place to start is to stop with woke/PC/etc. It's not remotely relevant and only splits the efforts for the cause whilst detracting from it. Same goes the other way. It needs a united response. "Tokenism" and action, from all. "Tokenism" is like advertising, to get the ideal represented and in people's minds. It's a way of visually identifying the goal. Without action to back it up, it's largely meaningless at best, self destructive at worst. Action requires this symbol so that it has an end goal. Actions without an end goal creates chaos, leads to loss of money and time creating more frustration and resentment. It's not 1 or the other. It needs a unified approach and for the more sensitive (on both sides of the spectrum) to shut the fuck up, get some context and work together, through gritted teeth if needed. Careful Matt, people may think you aren’t arsed as they leisurely add pronouns, flags, rainbows, to their bios whilst taking knees having probably been annoyed at Colin kapearnik a few years back before it caught on. all I can do is teach my children to treat everyone the same, show contempt for hate, and hope that a zero tolerance approach is adopted to the scum out there. Sadly that costs money one way or another so it won’t happen. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Matt said: Just a grumpy rant. Day 6 of testing positive and I'm not a happy bunny. I’m offended by the word positive for something so negative. Do better. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, Hafnia said: Careful Matt, people may think you aren’t arsed as they leisurely add pronouns, flags, rainbows, to their bios whilst taking knees having probably been annoyed at Colin kapearnik a few years back before it caught on. all I can do is teach my children to treat everyone the same, show contempt for hate, and hope that a zero tolerance approach is adopted to the scum out there. Sadly that costs money one way or another so it won’t happen. Those people can fuck off then, they're not helping. Was watching an interview with Malala Yousafzai, she summed it up perfectly. Education. Its that simple. It's just not cost effective and its not quick. Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, RPG said: But you see, that's one of the many points. As soon as any terminology rattled someone's cage we didn't 'cancel' the term, we continued using it (no more and no less than before) to get them used to the fact that people sometimes say things you don't want to hear and you just have to deal with it internally. Obviously there were limits and common sense (wisdom of the crowd) invariably prevailed. People either developed thick skin or didn't let their overly sensitive nature get the better of them - while giving back as good as they got. I get the argument that society has supposedly 'moved on' and such behaviour is now outdated but the very fact that we are having this conversation strongly suggests that actually, society hasn't really moved on at all. Didn't say cancel it, I said stop using it when it brings nothing to the argument but division. Use it all you like, it can be accurate. But it's a distraction in this kind of debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 36 minutes ago, RPG said: Not bringing division Matt. Just balance, I hope. By using the terms woke/PC etc it naturally puts some people on edge without really adding value. Just doesn't need to be mentioned in a racism discussion in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, the whole woke/PC stuff is a debate I can get into but it would detract from the important point, so I'll stop dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 On 29/09/2022 at 21:36, Hafnia said: Careful Matt, people may think you aren’t arsed as they leisurely add pronouns, flags, rainbows, to their bios whilst taking knees having probably been annoyed at Colin kapearnik a few years back before it caught on. all I can do is teach my children to treat everyone the same, show contempt for hate, and hope that a zero tolerance approach is adopted to the scum out there. Sadly that costs money one way or another so it won’t happen. Sadly the older I get the more I learn & see these values are not taught as much as one would expect. Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 He did well for us yesterday and I'll be gutted for him if he misses the world Cup. All the best Richi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 16/10/2022 at 10:20, badaids said: He did well for us yesterday and I'll be gutted for him if he misses the world Cup. All the best Richi. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63203558 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, Matt said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63203558 Even if his leg was hanging off he'd have made the World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Same. Palfy and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 hours ago, plaidharper said: Same. Love em both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12829231/richarlison-hits-out-at-tottenham-over-lack-of-playing-time-since-60m-move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 31 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12829231/richarlison-hits-out-at-tottenham-over-lack-of-playing-time-since-60m-move He was never going to play much there. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 5 hours ago, CraigJarrett said: Never cared for him, spent way too much time rolling around on the floor, too much time spent with that overrated Neymar guy. He pretty much kept us up last season. We could use him in the squad right now. He had some theatrics, but he gave everything. Goodison Glory, Quinn31 and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Sibdane said: He pretty much kept us up last season. We could use him in the squad right now. He had some theatrics, but he gave everything. Agreed. Amazing from him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 10 hours ago, CraigJarrett said: Luck and the 3 that went down being much worse kept us (and Leeds) up last season. It was hardly a gritty battle. 3 teams being worse than you is usually the reason any body stays up every year. The Palace game was a major factor is us staying up and that was the epitome of a gritty battle. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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