Romey 1878 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Gwlad all over said: Poor old Sean already has. He's the only one for a good while that doesn't look like an alcoholic drug addict yet. All of the rest ended up looking a wreck quite quickly (other than Martinez who had a good first season, but eventually succumbed to Evertonitis). Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Captain Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Fair play getting the award but I think its a stretch to say he had an excellent season. He had a purple patch under FL but still wasn't exactly stellar. Got a few assists then too I think. But on reflection he's a midfielder who runs a round a lot, and doesn't really impact a game. Goals and assists ratio for a £30 million man is shocking (typical Everton) We'll probably keep him as it will be cheaper than replacing him StevO, Shukes and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 I find myself watching closely each game waiting for that moment he does something good. Other players I can choose between several moments. He hasn’t had an excellent season at all. He had a decent patch, but that was when we were so poor. He has No reverted back to the Iwobi that Arsenal sold. Nothing against him, but players like him are the reason we’re where we are. Average 5-6 players who have the occasional 7, and maybe once a season get an 8. Time will tell if Dyche feels the need to strengthen that position. Romey 1878, StevO, Fosse Captain and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 I don't think Iwobi has been as bad as before the performances he gave in the first half of the season. I think it's unfair to say he's been that bad under Dyche. I wouldn't be opposed to selling him, but I doubt anyone will be interested paying his wages. He's a good player to have in the team, and will add some depth next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 32 minutes ago, Aidan said: I don't think Iwobi has been as bad as before the performances he gave in the first half of the season. I think it's unfair to say he's been that bad under Dyche. 154 TT MOTM votes in the first part of the season. 11 this year. He's been poor for me. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, MikeO said: 154 TT MOTM votes in the first part of the season. 11 this year. He's been poor for me. He got moved out wide again. I'll never understand why managers don't play to strengths. London Blue, Formby and Palfy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Matt said: He got moved out wide again. I'll never understand why managers don't play to strengths. We were getting ripped to shreds through the middle with him playing centrally. Moving him away from there made sense for the team even if it didn't help Iwobi. Fosse Captain, Shukes, Bailey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 40 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: We were getting ripped to shreds through the middle with him playing centrally. Moving him away from there made sense for the team even if it didn't help Iwobi. With better players around him his best position is in midfield. His running and passing are a real asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, London Blue said: With better players around him his best position is in midfield. His running and passing are a real asset. Maybe so but it was absolutely the right decision to move him. Shukes, Bailey and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: Maybe so but it was absolutely the right decision to move him. Given where we were with injuries etc, yes absolutely right to move him. Another plus for Iwobi is that he never through his toys out of the pram and just got on with it. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 I also dont think his form warranted him playing in the middle ahead of the others. For every good ball he plays, he has given away a shocking pass. On the whole, I think he has been ok. Not as good as the end of last season, but still better than the previous seasons. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, London Blue said: Given where we were with injuries etc, yes absolutely right to move him. Another plus for Iwobi is that he never through his toys out of the pram and just got on with it. Iwobi's a really tough one because he seems like a really decent person, so I want him to do well, and he clearly has ability but I do feel like it's overstated as well. He doesn't get that many assists or goals for an attacking midfielder for me, especially as he's going to be on £100k a week or thereabouts. The lack of assists isn't all his fault at all but he really needs to do something about the goals he gets. All in all, I wouldn't really be bothered either way in terms of him staying here or leaving. Fosse Captain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 14 hours ago, Bailey said: I also dont think his form warranted him playing in the middle ahead of the others. For every good ball he plays, he has given away a shocking pass. On the whole, I think he has been ok. Not as good as the end of last season, but still better than the previous seasons. This is where I am. I don’t think he went into the middle and lit the world up, he just played better than his very below par performances. His worst giveaway was right in the middle of the pitch, where his best position is. I said before. Iwobi had his best games in the middle, but we were in freefall. We move him to the side and his performances drop, but the team improves. We’re Everton FC not Iwobi FC. I would keep him, but if he is in the first team come the start of the season…. Then we’ve failed during the transfer window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Doesn't The fact that he got the players player of the season award tell you something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Shukes said: This is where I am. I don’t think he went into the middle and lit the world up, he just played better than his very below par performances. His worst giveaway was right in the middle of the pitch, where his best position is. I said before. Iwobi had his best games in the middle, but we were in freefall. We move him to the side and his performances drop, but the team improves. We’re Everton FC not Iwobi FC. I would keep him, but if he is in the first team come the start of the season…. Then we’ve failed during the transfer window. If he's in the first team next season it tells me (a) we've had very little cash to spend again (b) we've spent it in areas we should've - striker and full back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shukes Posted June 4, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Bill said: Doesn't The fact that he got the players player of the season award tell you something. Yes and I agree with them. He is a very nice guy and one that his peers respect. I respect him as well, and from what I have saw of him, he seems a great guy. I just think he is an average premier league player that’s all. Just my thoughts though. StevO, Fosse Captain, KinL and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Goodison Glory said: If he's in the first team next season it tells me (a) we've had very little cash to spend again (b) we've spent it in areas we should've - striker and full back. I’m hoping after letting so many players go we can strengthen in other areas too. But agreed those areas are 100% priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 I think he is a quality player when in the right team, I think he is a first team starter if you are aiming to get into the top ten or for a Europa conference / league place. If you are aiming higher, he is then like all but Pickford and DCL a squad player. We should be aiming to make the top 10 - 15 next season..... Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Shukes said: Yes and I agree with them. He is a very nice guy and one that his peers respect. I respect him as well, and from what I have saw of him, he seems a great guy. I just think he is an average premier league player that’s all. Just my thoughts though. Does that mean he’s to good for us because we are below an average PL team, if you think about it average in the league would be 11th-9th does that sound about right, and we are in poor category at 17th I think we should feel lucky we have him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 No not at all. Average players play around the lower part of the league. To get into the top half you need to a very good player. To get into the top 8 really you need to be looking at having some of the best players around. But I’m hoping the club have higher aspirations that you Palf and want to improve the team and make a push for Europe next year. I feel we are lucky to have Pickford in the team, although I also feel he should feel gratitude himself. I don’t feel we’re lucky to have any other players in the team at all. And for me Iwobi is in the bottom half our our squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 50 minutes ago, Shukes said: No not at all. Average players play around the lower part of the league. To get into the top half you need to a very good player. To get into the top 8 really you need to be looking at having some of the best players around. But I’m hoping the club have higher aspirations that you Palf and want to improve the team and make a push for Europe next year. I feel we are lucky to have Pickford in the team, although I also feel he should feel gratitude himself. I don’t feel we’re lucky to have any other players in the team at all. And for me Iwobi is in the bottom half our our squad. We need 2 new strikers, 2 wingers, left back, right back and maybe a centre back just to have a squad that can compete. We don't have the finances for proven quality signings. Therefore we are going to be aiming to get as close to the top 10 as we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 If he doesn't sign a new contract then we may need to sell him so that we can recoup a bit of money in his last year. barryj and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 I want to keep him especially as so many being got rid of. We need some stability in the squad especially if youngsters are going to get their chance. Those who have been there and done that are invaluable and I think Iwobi fits that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: If he doesn't sign a new contract then we may need to sell him so that we can recoup a bit of money in his last year. I think that should happen anyway to be honest KinL and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Shukes said: This is where I am. I don’t think he went into the middle and lit the world up, he just played better than his very below par performances. His worst giveaway was right in the middle of the pitch, where his best position is. I said before. Iwobi had his best games in the middle, but we were in freefall. We move him to the side and his performances drop, but the team improves. We’re Everton FC not Iwobi FC. I would keep him, but if he is in the first team come the start of the season…. Then we’ve failed during the transfer window. I agree with you apart from the last bit. Im not necessarily sure we will have the cash to move him out of the starting 11. I think the lad has a lot of ability but lacks a bit when it comes to football intelligence. He has more of that than Gray though, which is worrying. Matt and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevO Posted June 5, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 5, 2023 On 04/06/2023 at 12:53, Bill said: Doesn't The fact that he got the players player of the season award tell you something. Yep. We have a very poor squad. Vranny, KinL, Romey 1878 and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 On 04/06/2023 at 17:06, London Blue said: We need 2 new strikers, 2 wingers, left back, right back and maybe a centre back just to have a squad that can compete. We don't have the finances for proven quality signings. Therefore we are going to be aiming to get as close to the top 10 as we can. That’s 7 players, we won’t be getting close to that especially ones that will take us to top 10. We have got a few half decent youngsters out on loan, but Dyche isn’t known for giving that many youngsters a chance. I think we need to buy 2-3 quality players if we can attract or afford them. 1 striker, 1 LB, and possibly 1 RW but because we let Coady go that’s now made CB become a priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 45 minutes ago, Palfy said: That’s 7 players, we won’t be getting close to that especially ones that will take us to top 10. We have got a few half decent youngsters out on loan, but Dyche isn’t known for giving that many youngsters a chance. I think we need to buy 2-3 quality players if we can attract or afford them. 1 striker, 1 LB, and possibly 1 RW but because we let Coady go that’s now made CB become a priority. That's my point, players like Iwobi, good players who can get us to the top 10 we already have are going to be vital. We need to prioritise other areas rather than replacing a good player we aldready have. Palfy and RuffRob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 41 minutes ago, London Blue said: That's my point, players like Iwobi, good players who can get us to the top 10 we already have are going to be vital. We need to prioritise other areas rather than replacing a good player we aldready have. Again, if he won't sign a new contract then we'll have to sell him. We can't afford to lose that money. RuffRob, Bailey and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 Do we have any idea what money Iwobi is on? and how much wages we would have to part with? He has been one our better players this season and has a fair few assists. I would not really like to see him go, as club currently having a very poor record in replacing players!!! Palfy and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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