duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 https://www.goodisonnews.com/2022/07/19/billy-gilmour-could-leave-chelsea-permanently-as-everton-circle-for-transfer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Matt said: Neither height or build bothered Gana. You just need to be fearless and be able to read situations better. Smaller stature is a different kind of challenge to fend off. Evidence was there at Villa that Gana put himself about and broke up play. Where is that for Gilmour? Also hard to think we picked up Gana from a relegated Villa. They are ahead of us now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Matt said: Neither height or build bothered Gana. You just need to be fearless and be able to read situations better. Smaller stature is a different kind of challenge to fend off. Ye height doesn’t mean much in todays game. Gana, Kanye, and I hate to admit, but Mane is one of the strongest players in the premier league. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Shukes said: Ye height doesn’t mean much in todays game. Gana, Kanye, and I hate to admit, but Mane is one of the strongest players in the premier league. Don't agree with that at all. Everything else being equal, I would take a taller player over a smaller player every day of the week. There are always exceptions to every rule that can be sighted, but if I have limited funds and want to bring in a number six - a taller , well built physically (or at least average height and build) dominant players who can win the headers and can out muscle the opposition would be high on my list of attributes. To go for a below average build player means he would really need to have outstanding attributes in other departments to more than make up for that. Gilmour is not in that category for me. Sibdane and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, Shukes said: Ye height doesn’t mean much in todays game. Gana, Kanye, and I hate to admit, but Mane is one of the strongest players in the premier league. Kanye? Hard to see him as an athlete but could see him being all over bringing his YEEZY brand to some football boots. dunlopp9987, Matt, Shukes and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, RuffRob said: Don't agree with that at all. Everything else being equal, I would take a taller player over a smaller player every day of the week. There are always exceptions to every rule that can be sighted, but if I have limited funds and want to bring in a number six - a taller , well built physically (or at least average height and build) dominant players who can win the headers and can out muscle the opposition would be high on my list of attributes. To go for a below average build player means he would really need to have outstanding attributes in other departments to more than make up for that. Gilmour is not in that category for me. There is a sweet spot there. If a player is too big, especially in the midfield, they tend not to be as quick or have the same energy as a smaller player. Shukes and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 The famous 48 hours is in play! Wall Writer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, plaidharper said: Kanye? Hard to see him as an athlete but could see him being all over bringing his YEEZY brand to some football boots. Damnit beat me to it plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 44 minutes ago, RuffRob said: Don't agree with that at all. Everything else being equal, I would take a taller player over a smaller player every day of the week. There are always exceptions to every rule that can be sighted, but if I have limited funds and want to bring in a number six - a taller , well built physically (or at least average height and build) dominant players who can win the headers and can out muscle the opposition would be high on my list of attributes. To go for a below average build player means he would really need to have outstanding attributes in other departments to more than make up for that. Gilmour is not in that category for me. That’s fine friend. I would just simply go for the better player. One I don’t want to build a midfield that concentrates in winning headers… that’s for U12 teams. Passing has nothing to with height. Same as tackling. But if you would prefer to stick with a Gbamin type player… then that’s your opinion and your quote entitled to it. I promise you this though…. That’s not how Frank Lampard will be looking at it. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Kanye is a great example of why height doesn’t count. No one man should have all that power! Bailey, StevO, Sibdane and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Shukes said: Kanye is a great example of why height doesn’t count. No one man should have all that power! Boooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 I don't think you can get away with being weak in this league. You can get away with being on the small side but you need to be excellent technically. I mean up there with the best in the league. IMO Gilmour is nowhere near that and I was really disappointed by him at Norwich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: Boooooooo Come on it was a good attempt! or at least an attempt! dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse Captain Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, RuffRob said: Don't agree with that at all. Everything else being equal, I would take a taller player over a smaller player every day of the week. There are always exceptions to every rule that can be sighted, but if I have limited funds and want to bring in a number six - a taller , well built physically (or at least average height and build) dominant players who can win the headers and can out muscle the opposition would be high on my list of attributes. To go for a below average build player means he would really need to have outstanding attributes in other departments to more than make up for that. Gilmour is not in that category for me. Depends what you want your ‘6’ to be. Midfield enforcer or ball player. Personally I prefer a ball player in there. But it’s game of opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 47 minutes ago, Fosse Captain said: Depends what you want your ‘6’ to be. Midfield enforcer or ball player. Personally I prefer a ball player in there. But it’s game of opinions I think Lampard prefers that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Not the sort of mid we need, this fella hasn't scored a single goal in his career. He's not going to give us an awful lot more than Warrington can give us, we need to try what we've got before we go out and buy someone who is not any better. Goodison Glory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Watched him a few times when he was man of the match and he ran games. Very clever player. I think it all depends on what he needs alongside him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Hafnia said: Watched him a few times when he was man of the match and he ran games. Very clever player. I think it all depends on what he needs alongside him. Was that for Chelsea Haf? I know he got rave reviews on 2020 (both Chelsea and Scotland v England) But for Norwich last year I don't recall him dominating games. Out of 24 games he played in prem, Norwich only won one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 47 minutes ago, Bill said: Not the sort of mid we need, this fella hasn't scored a single goal in his career. He's not going to give us an awful lot more than Warrington can give us, we need to try what we've got before we go out and buy someone who is not any better. Gana couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. Allan is no threat to score. That really isn’t their job there so I don’t think it’s a particularly relevant stat. Matt, dunlopp9987 and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Back end of the season he couldn't get into the Norwich team, is that a relevant stat ?. we need better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bill said: Back end of the season he couldn't get into the Norwich team, is that a relevant stat ?. we need better than this. That could be for any number of reasons. If played in a system for which he's not suited, he won't do well. If Lampard believes he can use him more productively (and he knows the guy from Chelsea days, right?), then go for it. If someone has proved themselves more, we'd be paying through the nose. As it is, we must take risks and rely on the good judgment of our manager and the recruitment team. MikeO, StevO, dunlopp9987 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Goodison Glory said: Was that for Chelsea Haf? I know he got rave reviews on 2020 (both Chelsea and Scotland v England) But for Norwich last year I don't recall him dominating games. Out of 24 games he played in prem, Norwich only won one of them. Chelsea, Scotland…. He has played well more often than not for Scotland. I believe he wasn’t great for Norwich but can’t say I watched him. the games I’ve seen him play well in he looks untouchable. I think lampard wants someone to take the ball from the defenders and control tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, Bill said: Back end of the season he couldn't get into the Norwich team, is that a relevant stat ?. we need better than this. Many people against the move quote this but it really does depend on how the are set up to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 He will not be cheap and I am not sure how much has been hyped about him being simply from the Chelsea academy. If he was simply a Norwich player would teams be clamouring to be paying good money for him this summer? I have not seen enough of him to be honest, to comment on his technical brilliance or not, but not sure Norwich fans where seeing much of it week in week out in the Premiership last season. It sounds like a fair few booed him, which seems harsh on such a young lad. Money is tight so little room for mistakes or paying over the odds for players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Hafnia said: Chelsea, Scotland…. He has played well more often than not for Scotland. I believe he wasn’t great for Norwich but can’t say I watched him. the games I’ve seen him play well in he looks untouchable. I think lampard wants someone to take the ball from the defenders and control tempo. To be fair, Gomes also looks untouchable at times. I jest. my concern is that he was fairly anonymous in a shit Norwich side. Guess what....we are currently shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Don’t have much of an opinion on Gilmour, but it’s very easy to look shit in a side like Norwich. Not sure many people were raving about Godfrey before we signed him. Frank knows what the lad is capable of. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 16 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: That could be for any number of reasons. If played in a system for which he's not suited, he won't do well. If Lampard believes he can use him more productively (and he knows the guy from Chelsea days, right?), then go for it. If someone has proved themselves more, we'd be paying through the nose. As it is, we must take risks and rely on the good judgment of our manager and the recruitment team. Doesn't matter what system you play, if your good enough you'll play. You miss out the main reason why he didn't play, in a team that was the worst in the division with a squad of players who were also the worst in the league, he didn't play because the manager thought he wasn't good enough. That's a simple enough reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 hours ago, StevO said: Don’t have much of an opinion on Gilmour, but it’s very easy to look shit in a side like Norwich. Not sure many people were raving about Godfrey before we signed him. Frank knows what the lad is capable of. Nobody is raving about Godfrey now he’s been woeful for 12 months StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Bill said: Doesn't matter what system you play, if your good enough you'll play. You miss out the main reason why he didn't play, in a team that was the worst in the division with a squad of players who were also the worst in the league, he didn't play because the manager thought he wasn't good enough. That's a simple enough reason. Or because his skill set wasn't what was required for survival. See Alli for an example closer to home. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesey05 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Not keen on this at all. Probably been said but he struggled at Norwich. He plays for Scotland so not really an international player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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