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Should Allardyce be sacked now?

Should Allardyce be sacked now?  

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  1. 1. Should Allardyce be sacked now?



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1 minute ago, Cornish Steve said:

He should have been sacked the moment we hit 40 points.

That would be really disrespectful.

- Hey thanks for saving us, Sam, now get the fuck out you twat! 

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4 minutes ago, Haiku said:

That would be really disrespectful.

- Hey thanks for saving us, Sam, now get the fuck out you twat! 

Depends whether you think he saved us. Personally, I think he made things worse. 

Should never have even been in contention for the job in the first place.

The amount of crap we’ll endure in his press statements once he’s gone will be infuriating tooo

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6 minutes ago, Haiku said:

That would be really disrespectful.

- Hey thanks for saving us, Sam, now get the fuck out you twat! 

Given the turgid football he has produced and the poor results he should be sacked before the end of the season. 

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I said no because,

a/  We are becoming a sacking club.  not a good reputation to have and not an easy one to get rid of.

b/  How in hell can we sack a manager this close to the end of the season?

c/  Who would come here who we could guarantee will be better?

 

If we are to cancel his contract, sack him or whatever you want to call it,  it would in my opinion be better to wait for a while, at least until he can go without causing disruptions ie the end of the season.  Besides he may leave himself with a bit of gentle persuasion.

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43 minutes ago, rubecula said:

I said no because,

a/  We are becoming a sacking club.  not a good reputation to have and not an easy one to get rid of.

b/  How in hell can we sack a manager this close to the end of the season?

c/  Who would come here who we could guarantee will be better?

 

If we are to cancel his contract, sack him or whatever you want to call it,  it would in my opinion be better to wait for a while, at least until he can go without causing disruptions ie the end of the season.  Besides he may leave himself with a bit of gentle persuasion.

Sadly on the amount of money he is on the only 'gentle persuasion' he would accept is a truly grotesque pay off - basically the only language he talks. It sickens me that we will have to waste millions to get rid of him but anything rather than have him in charge next year. 

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9 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

His comments after this match are the final nail. He has no idea of what this club is about. Please get him out 

This is the acid test for the board for me. They sacked Martinez for finishing 11th. We're in very real danger of finishing below fucking Newcastle, but Allardyce talks about 1-1 at Swansea as 'a big point'. They can't have it both ways - if Martinez wasn't good enough, this certainly isn'ttt, and they cannot hide behind the excuse that we were in the bottom 3 when Koeman was sacked, because from where we were going into Christmas, we should have pushed on and finished 7th. All you hear from Allardyce is excuse after excuse after excuse. He has failed to live up to the ambitions of this football club, end of. 

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Definitely should go 

This side had/has enough quality to avoid the drop and although we flirted with the thought of relegation momentarily I never thought we would actually be fighting to stay up 

He's a toxic self righteous bellend that hasn't improved us in anyway shape or form, I've never been as disinterested in our side as I am now as shite as that sounds but I just can't stand the cunt and how he has us playing 

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Yes, and not only because of how shit the football currently is, but for this other (more important in my opinion) reason: it is a statistical fact that teams generally play worse when they know their manager is not going to be around much longer. Yes, there are a few exceptions to this, but they involved beloved and inspirational coaches, not Sam fucking Howeveryouspellit. And Sam's contract would be up anyway at the end of next season (and no fucking way the board will give him another one, because there'd be a genuine mutiny). I can't see any logical reason whatsoever to keep him around for another dreary, mid-table-at-best season, giving him money to buy players he won't be around to coach 9 months later, and putting the players in a situation where they're learning to play a system (sic) which, the season after, will be overthrown yet again for someone else's. 

If we were where we are now but with a younger manager with a longer contract, then I'd say don't sack him. But that's not the case. He was brought in to avoid relegation. It was lunacy to give him an 18 month contract, when other clubs (West Ham for example) took the sensible approach of giving contracts just to the end of the season. He would have signed a 6 month contract no problem, it's not like he was inundated with offers from elite Premier League clubs. Now the club has put itself in a position of needing to buy him out. But whatever, just buy him out. There is absolutely no sense in subjecting everyone to another season of outdated, uninspiring dross, only to then have to make the decision to replace him at the end of it. Just do it now. 

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1 minute ago, Aidan said:

Chelsea are a sacking club, and I wish we had the same amount of Premier League titles as them!

Top flight didn't begin in 1992, we have nine titles and they have six:).

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Just now, MikeO said:

Top flight didn't begin in 1992, we have nine titles and they have six:).

I know Mike but it wouldn't have backed up my bias point if I'd have put it like that :D

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5 minutes ago, Aidan said:

I know Mike but it wouldn't have backed up my bias point if I'd have put it like that :D

Fair enough, I think we're all singing from the same hymn-sheet in this thread anyway (Rubes aside, but that just proves the rest of us are right:P). 

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1 hour ago, Isaiah said:

Yes, and not only because of how shit the football currently is, but for this other (more important in my opinion) reason: it is a statistical fact that teams generally play worse when they know their manager is not going to be around much longer. Yes, there are a few exceptions to this, but they involved beloved and inspirational coaches, not Sam fucking Howeveryouspellit. And Sam's contract would be up anyway at the end of next season (and no fucking way the board will give him another one, because there'd be a genuine mutiny). I can't see any logical reason whatsoever to keep him around for another dreary, mid-table-at-best season, giving him money to buy players he won't be around to coach 9 months later, and putting the players in a situation where they're learning to play a system (sic) which, the season after, will be overthrown yet again for someone else's. 

If we were where we are now but with a younger manager with a longer contract, then I'd say don't sack him. But that's not the case. He was brought in to avoid relegation. It was lunacy to give him an 18 month contract, when other clubs (West Ham for example) took the sensible approach of giving contracts just to the end of the season. He would have signed a 6 month contract no problem, it's not like he was inundated with offers from elite Premier League clubs. Now the club has put itself in a position of needing to buy him out. But whatever, just buy him out. There is absolutely no sense in subjecting everyone to another season of outdated, uninspiring dross, only to then have to make the decision to replace him at the end of it. Just do it now. 

He wouldn’t sign a 6 month contract. That’s why he’s on the longer contract. 

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^^ Fair enough, didn't know that. But then that only pisses me off even more. 63-year-old footballing dinosaur Sam fucking Allardyce, fresh off his England scandal, turning his nose up at any kind of chance to manage a team of Everton's stature. What, was he afraid that he'd have to actually do a good job in those 6 months to earn a possible extension, rather than just being handed an 18 month salary?

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2 hours ago, nogs said:

This is the acid test for the board for me. They sacked Martinez for finishing 11th. We're in very real danger of finishing below fucking Newcastle, but Allardyce talks about 1-1 at Swansea as 'a big point'. They can't have it both ways - if Martinez wasn't good enough, this certainly isn'tttt, and they cannot hide behind the excuse that we were in the bottom 3 when Koeman was sacked, because from where we were going into Christmas, we should have pushed on and finished 7th. All you hear from Allardyce is excuse after excuse after excuse. He has failed to live up to the ambitions of this football club, end of. 

I think Martinez was sacked more due to the fact Moshiri wanted to show he was the new boss, much like Koeman did with the squad. 

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

I think Martinez was sacked more due to the fact Moshiri wanted to show he was the new boss, much like Koeman did with the squad. 

I agree, Martinez should never have been sacked yes things could have been better on the defensive side, but at least we could play decent football string passes together score goals and teams respected and feared us.

Moshiri had sown the seeds to sack him before he took over that was is first mistake on day one with more to follow, I always said and still believe that he should have been given more time with a bit of money at his disposal.

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People have short memories. We were going nowhere with unsworth. We would have stayed up yes but probably just about securing it around now. People would have been screaming for his head. I hate sam but he’s secured safety. Big deal, let’s move on and try and forget this whole episode 

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7 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

You're not the only one.

I’m another.

said before, it was the easiest job in world football. Come in, we dont get relegated, and you get credit. Simple.

When he came in, we were just as likely to get seventh than bottom six, now we’re ten points behind Burnley.... let that sink in... ten points behind Burnley!

Sam has managed to fuck up the easiest job he has ever had!

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I did advocate him coming here on a six month contract more as a belt and braces option to make sure we survived any threat of relegation, all though I never really thought we were in danger but the consensus seemed to be we were so rather than take the risk he was a good choice to keep us up.

That's job done for him time to move him on, if we were playing decent football we wouldn't be having this conversation but we are playing the most negative football I can remember witnessing in all the years I have followed this club, and it won't change this is brand Allardyce the Geordie's fucking hated him for it and protested until he was sacked. 

Hopefully the board can see and hear what we see and hear and they do the right thing and get rid soon, other wise I can see a lot disgruntled supporters feeling the only way forward is to protest against Allardyce and the board.

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I think that people are also have short memories over Martinez. His final season was dire, terrible defending, useless in the final third, and the team obviously had had enough of him. He had to go, and the atmosphere on here than was pretty toxic to him then. Revisionism does seem to suggest he was slightly harshly treated, but he couldn't of stayed realistically. Without Lukakus goals Martinez would have been in the real shit, as was Koeman in the end... I wonder if much of the revisionism is because things have got worse since. To answer the question... If we can get the manager we are targetting now and get a head start for next season fine, but this season has been so dire that I would worry our 4th manager of the season would be tarnished by it - what if they too started badly? Surely wait for close season to palate cleanse and start again? In any case Sam has to go - it's clear he's given up any enthusiasm or passion he had for the job, maybe even football.

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100% Yes, he is making our team look like fools, sets them up wrong, make poor substitutions, then blames the players for any bad result.

we drew yesterday against Swansea, we were meant to be a team pushing for a top 4-5 finish this season, he was pleased with a "tough point", which simply isn'tt good enough, and the big issue is that he will always be this way, as others have said, Newcastle fans hated him. Hammers fans hated him also.

After Martinez was sacked, Unsy brought in some of the youngsters against Norwich and we got a good result, we finished off our season with a feeling of optimism, we need to do the same, in advance of bringing in whoever the board have lined up.

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3 hours ago, Finn balor said:

People have short memories. We were going nowhere with unsworth. We would have stayed up yes but probably just about securing it around now. People would have been screaming for his head. I hate sam but he’s secured safety. Big deal, let’s move on and try and forget this whole episode 

What about remembering we put in our best performance of the season under Unsworth? 

Anyway, the point for me is not that whether we should have kept Unsworth, or Martinez for that matter. Allardyce was the wrong appointment, in any circumstance. 

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1 hour ago, Wiggytop said:

100% Yes, he is making our team look like fools, sets them up wrong, make poor substitutions, then blames the players for any bad result.

we drew yesterday against Swansea, we were meant to be a team pushing for a top 4-5 finish this season, he was pleased with a "tough point", which simply isn'ttt good enough, and the big issue is that he will always be this way, as others have said, Newcastle fans hated him. Hammers fans hated him also.

After Martinez was sacked, Unsy brought in some of the youngsters against Norwich and we got a good result, we finished off our season with a feeling of optimism, we need to do the same, in advance of bringing in whoever the board have lined up.

Not defending him by any means but it was tough as they were simply miles better than us in all aspects of the game and tbh, they deserved to win

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The longer this runs on the worst it will be.

Get him out the club now.  His interviews aren't even subtle wind ups. He has form for this - west ham.  

To me the side issue is that some of the players need to either go or will be permanently disenfranchised and need some serious rebuilding. 

Its a fuckin mess. 

 

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2 minutes ago, hafnia said:

The longer this runs on the worst it will be.

Get him out the club now.  His interviews aren't even subtle wind ups. He has form for this - west ham.  

To me the side issue is that some of the players need to either go or will be permanently disenfranchised and need some serious rebuilding. 

Its a fuckin mess. 

 

I agree Haf, and for you that was putting it politely:lol:

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I voted No. This is because it would be a pointless exercise with only 5 games to go. Fans wrote this season off whilst Koeman was in charge. Sam should be released at the end of the season at the full time whistle of the final game.

A new manager must be brought in who has a bit of ambition and whilst he will want to make his own stamp on the side will understand that the club is a mess from top to bottom and will be willing to shake things up a little.

I think Everton fans are a bit more pragmatic than most, I think we can tolerate a more agricultural approach so long as it is winning matches but over time we will want to see more exciting, attacking football.

This is why signings like Bolasie are poor signings. All show and no go. Everton doesn't have the dazzle of a London club and I think our players need to reflect that. We need players who will roll their sleeves up and do the dirty work first.

The German national side isn'tt known for showboating or flair players. It is known for it's ruthlessness and effectiveness. This is how we should shape up. Everton can't afford to carry passengers, it can't afford to keep players out of sentimentality.

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Someone just pointed out to me that Lookman will leave if any offer comes in.... I couldn’t think of a single reason for him to stay. It makes Barkley look a genius!

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1 minute ago, Shukes said:

Someone just pointed out to me that Lookman will leave if any offer comes in.... I couldn’t think of a single reason for him to stay. It makes Barkley look a genius!

Just when you think things can't get any worse, that's why he has to go now because every hour he stays the more damage he does. 

It's nothing to do with how many games are left he's a cancer in this club that needs to be cut out before anymore of our better players want out.

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Just when you think things can't get any worse, that's why he has to go now because every hour he stays the more damage he does. 

It's nothing to do with how many games are left he's a cancer in this club that needs to be cut out before anymore of our better players want out.

Said it when he was hired, and I still believe it now - even if he goes in the summer we'll still be feeling the damage of his reign far into the future. If he’s here any longer than that then we are well and truly fucked. 

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On ‎14‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 20:47, MikeO said:

Fair enough, I think we're all singing from the same hymn-sheet in this thread anyway (Rubes aside, but that just proves the rest of us are right:P). 

just playing devil's advocate Mike  not trying to wind anyone up but needed to point out possible flaws in the argument.

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

What about low from Germany? 

we couldn't get him before now,  not sure on him now myself.  Sean Dyche would be good but we would not get him now either.

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Just now, MikeO said:

That's my job:shakingfist:.

stop slacking  or you will join him then,  honestly some folks think respect comes with age....... tut tut  look at me,  nobody respects me  ......  errrrrr :unsure:

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1 minute ago, rubecula said:

stop slacking  or you will join him then,  honestly some folks think respect comes with age....... tut tut  look at me,  nobody respects me  ......  errrrrr :unsure:

😂😂

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6 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Pretty pointless sacking him now but I would like the new manager to be named by 14 May

 

 I disagree. There's a reason why several clubs he managed were relegated the following year. He creates crises in confidence and morale that take months if not years to recover from. It was wrong to hire him in the first place, and every day he remains is a day too long.

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I'm surprising myself and voting NO.

It's painful, really painful, and I really want him gone. I want him gone as soon as the final ball is kicked this season.

I say no because we only have a few games to go. Just checked, it is 4 left. Damn. I don't feel it would shine the club in a good light to sack him now. I fear it would make us look reckless and unattractive to future prospects, both managers and players. Out in the footballing world, it would raise more questions and give us the wrong sort of attention.

Keeping him hopefully allows the board more time to plan and strike as soon as possible after the final game. If they have their heads on, they'll have his final cheque ready and already be in deep negotiations with new options.

I would also feel a bit for Unsy. He would yet again be given the job for a few games but with no real hope of getting the job permanently. Yet, as is human nature, he would want the job and would be left disappointed. I don't want us to mess with Unsy or use him as a convenience of ours. I like the man. And he loves the club. But you can only fuck with someone's loyalty so much before you damage the relationship.

We are nearly there lads and lasses, let' just hold hands and get over the finish line.

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Anyone who wants Rafa has a short memory I'd rather have Rodgers at least he never insulted our club and I think he's more progressive and was really unlucky not to win the premier and can pick up good young talent. 

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Alladyce was here one window and addressed two problems. One pace, Walcott, two a striker, Tosun. Given his track record and expect him to fix the defence given a proper window. This shambles is thanks to Koeman and Walsh. Would anyone swap their midfield for ours in the league? Or their 2 centre halves? 

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I want a manager that’s giving it the big one on the touch line and celebrating when we score. Not being a cunt like Klopp or O’Neil used to do. I want it to mean something, not just someone not arsed and happy is he getting big wages. Fonseca looks the type. I’m not sure if silva is a fraud/flash in the pan. Only one way of knowing I guess. I just know I’d be a lot happier knowing with a few games to go we could have a new manager not dreading the summer 

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