duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 fair enough, i agree for the most part, just think that paying double what we sold him for 14 months ago is takin the piss a little. Thats the thing that is clouding peoples judgement on this though His contract was almost up and so Spurs jumped in and got themselves a bargain, people should look at it as 2 completely different transactions If we had sold him to Spurs for £5M would that make him worth £5M now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 We done it last year after christmas without him, playing even better football than we did this year. This term was his best by far but not good enough to justify spending millions on. Pete you really need to start looking at the game instead of looking at the stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adziom Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Pienaar, Fellaini, Jelavic and Osman tore apart most defences in the latter part of the season. Fellaini drove us forward, Pienaar and Osman found the gaps and Jelavic stuck it in the net. I think reuniting that front 4 is worth £6 million. If we had someone decent to play there instead then I'd understand people finding that a bit steep, and it is a bit cheeky of Spurs to ask for that after what they paid for him, but that's life. If we don't get Pienaar on our left side, we're looking at either Gueye, who is generally a passenger unless we're dominating the game, or Osman with Coleman on the right which also doesn't scream out "creative force that can challenge for the top 6", or someone that we'd have to scout and also pay money for, who could end up going somewhere else which would waste or time. I understand that Pienaar would come back here in a heartbeat once the fee is right. If its a choice between 1) Pienaar for £6M 2) Younger alternative for £4M + being unproven + settling in period + might not fit in as well + risk of being beaten to the signing by other teams. I'd choose Pienaar personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Pete you really need to start looking at the game instead of looking at the stats I do thats why I said the football was better in 2011 run. His stats and performances this year were much better than he's ever been for us, but to base him just on how we played before xmas would be unfair as we're always gash before Jan. Loan him, and see if he can keep it up. As £6 mil is far too much, it could possibly get us Guidetti which would be the more sensible option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 it's not cheeky at all on spurs part...the guy is at least a 5m player..if he had 2 years more on his contract then we'd have sold him for more...not sure why that is so hard for people to grasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I do thats why I said the football was better in 2011 run. His stats and performances this year were much better than he's ever been for us, but to base him just on how we played before xmas would be unfair as we're always gash before Jan. Loan him, and see if he can keep it up. As £6 mil is far too much, it could possibly get us Guidetti which would be the more sensible option. I rest my grip! He has always been this good it has just taken you a few years ( and stats ) to see what most of us saw from day one. Even now I dont think you realise jsut how good he is and what he brings to the table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I rest my grip! He has always been this good it has just taken you a few years ( and stats ) to see what most of us saw from day one. Even now I dont think you realise jsut how good he is and what he brings to the table His decision making really lets him down and burns my head out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof_It_Nev Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Remember technically we haven't been paying his wages for the past year. 50k a week (?) is £2.5m off the wage bill last year. Hopefully we started putting that money aside the day we sold him. Wishful thinking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 add into the equation that he would have got a healthy signing fee from spurs and decent wages for the first year. they will be throwing that in the mix. they are in the business of looking after themselves, not doing us any favours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Just do the obvious!.......Get him back. The team play better when he's on the pitch.He brings the best out of Baines, if there's a beter player in that role, for less than what Pienaar will cost, then buy him. Our squad is still paper thin, there will be plenty of pressure on Jelavic not to get injured, but if the worst happens and we have to face a number of games witout him, then I'd rather do it with Pienaar pulling strings for the lesser strikers we may need to field. Pienaar discovered last season just how much he loves Everton, now let him show us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Remember technically we haven't been paying his wages for the past year. 50k a week (?) is £2.5m off the wage bill last year. Hopefully we started putting that money aside the day we sold him. Wishful thinking! We were paying his £70k a week wages in full while he was back on loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) We were paying his £70k a week wages in full while he was back on loan Have we? There didnt seem to be much mention of it, the deal with him and Saha seemed very hush hush. Edited June 2, 2012 by pete0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 We were paying his £70k a week wages in full while he was back on loan 1st ive heard that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 I really hope this isn't true, but if it is, I'm suddenly a fan of Harry Redknapp. Personally, I think he's worth more than 3 million but less than 6 million. http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/11-12/rumour-mill/21582.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccyboy Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 As £6 mil is far too much, it could possibly get us Guidetti which would be the more sensible option. oh dear, let the idiotic transfer rumours begin...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonidas Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Really hope we can get him back, we need him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 oh dear, let the idiotic transfer rumours begin...... Been a while mate...welcome back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Couple of redknapp quotes... http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2012/06/redknapp-open-to-pienaar-deal/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Couple of redknapp quotes... http://www.nsno.co.u...o-pienaar-deal/ With the possibility of Modric going I don't see why they don't keep Pienaar and play him in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryans grumpy grandad Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Where did this £6 million fee come from? I would welcome Peanuts back with open arms personally, Im sure Spurs are resigned to losing him. Cant see Spurs wanting to keep an unhappy player on decent wages, warming the bench because Bale is first choice for left mid. Harry has said in the press that Peanuts is unlucky because of Bale playing in his position. We may have to pay more than we sold him for, but hopefully common sense will prevail. Harry knows SP wants away, and he knows he wants a Goodison return. Makes you wonder why Harry signed Peanuts in the first place though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Where did this £6 million fee come from? I would welcome Peanuts back with open arms personally, Im sure Spurs are resigned to losing him. Cant see Spurs wanting to keep an unhappy player on decent wages, warming the bench because Bale is first choice for left mid. Harry has said in the press that Peanuts is unlucky because of Bale playing in his position. We may have to pay more than we sold him for, but hopefully common sense will prevail. Harry knows SP wants away, and he knows he wants a Goodison return. Makes you wonder why Harry signed Peanuts in the first place though! Would be seriously complicated if (as rumoured) tea bag face has left Spurs....and even more so if DM replaces him . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Redknapp has gone, moyes is favourite to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Think about all the creative players Spurs have: Lennon, Bale, Modric, Pienaar, Van der Vaart, (Krancjar just left, but he was creative), David Bentley before his career went to hell. Who are our creative players? Ossie is the only real "creative" player we have... Arteta and Pienaar both left and Drenthe blew his chance.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Would be seriously complicated if (as rumoured) tea bag face has left Spurs....and even more so if DM replaces him . Moyes for Pienaar anyone - straight swap? I may shed a tear for Moysie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Moyes for Pienaar anyone - straight swap? I may shed a tear for Moysie! You'd have to wonder whether you would get the same player in Pienaar back; if Moyes went to Spurs. He could come back under another manager and may not fit within their systems, thus rendering him useless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) You'd have to wonder whether you would get the same player in Pienaar back; if Moyes went to Spurs. He could come back under another manager and may not fit within their systems, thus rendering him useless? if Pienaar can only play in one system for one manager then does that not make him pretty limited then Edited June 14, 2012 by theprisoner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 it does..but very good in that limited setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryans grumpy grandad Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 All ifs and buts regarding DM going to Spurs, may not happen. Spurs may want a manager with a proven track record of winning things. I am not having ago at Moysie here. I think Moyes is a very good manager, and like Pienaar may be suited to Everton. Personally I would like Moyes and Pienaar here. The thing is who ever takes over at Spurs may want Pienaar in his squad and who could blame him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 if Pienaar can only play in one system for one manager then does that not make him pretty limited then Didn't work at Borussia Dortmond or Spurs. Highly promising youngster in Holland, just didn't fit in the new teams system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus jones Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 if Pienaar can only play in one system for one manager then does that not make him pretty limited then Oh yes! Today, perhaps '' Total footballer'' is the new mantra............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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