Avinalaff Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Pienaar has blown hot and cold this season, but hopefully better things will come. I'd say Mirallas has blown hot and cold too. Whether it's how the team has been set out remains to be seen, but a bit more from both is needed. As for Osman, he needs to get involved more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) The key factor being Baines, Pienaar benefits from the easiest job in football. Compare the 2nd half of the season he left to the one he came back, we played better without him and that was without also benefiting from 2 extra first team players to help. Every other derby we get a red. Who is the most likely in our team to be the victim? I'll give you a clue he's the dirtiest player in the team. PeteO I honestly wasnt trying to strir, everybody in here knows u dont rate him so there is nothing to stir. I am just trying to understand you and Im glad you threw that old nutmeg in because it highlights the point. IMO since he has been back he has played as well as anybody and has proved himself to be an integral part of the team and I had hoped you had recognised this Clearly you think we wont miss him, I beg to differ! I have had a few beers and I am trying my hardest not to be inflammatory so I wont even go there with the red card waiting to happen/ dirtiest player "stuff" (wanted to say bollocks really!) In summary you think he is talentless, volatile and dirty. Just wondering if you also think he is 8 foot tall, white and has a squeeky voice? Edited October 25, 2012 by duncanmckenzieismagic ForevertonZA, marcopaulo, Bailey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) I think we should sell Pienaar and get Bily back... Seriously, there is absolutely no doubting pienaars quality from his intelligence, skill, tenacity, desire to win. He and Baines have an understanding and there is no price you can put on that. Gary Neville recently stated that plaing against those two made him realise he was no longer up to the standard he set himself. The amount of goals pienaar is involved in is ridiculous. Sadly some people look at opta stats for assists and they don't tell the real picture, how many times does pienaar drag defenders away with clever runs to allow the likes of baines to attack the box and play 1-2's. Pienaar so often places himself as the "wall" for players to make give and go's, Baines has no way near the confidence in the likes of anichebe when he is in the channels, he knows there is a risk that possession may be conceded, whereas pienaars ball retention is absolutely brilliant. http://www.eplindex.com/14856/everton-steven-pienaar-vital-dispensable-opta-stats.html Edited October 25, 2012 by Hafnia ForevertonZA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 We're better after xmas regardless, so the stats are skewed. Compare the 2nd half of the season with pienaar to the one previous. Already had this discussion, most agreed he is over rated before he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 did Pienaar get into the Dream Team this season with a lucky draw ? He is not the best in the leauge but there are more players worse than him in Everton than better - we are going to miss him on Saturday - who is going to fill his shoes? ForevertonZA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 With Pienaar we win 43%, without we win 37.5% With Pienaar we play 335 successful passes per game, without we play 290 Pienaar creates a chance every 38 minutes, Baines 44, Osman 62, Fellaini 114. I think Rodgers will be much happier than Moyes about his suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 With Pienaar we win 43%, without we win 37.5% With Pienaar we play 335 successful passes per game, without we play 290 Pienaar creates a chance every 38 minutes, Baines 44, Osman 62, Fellaini 114. I think Rodgers will be much happier than Moyes about his suspension. Over 1 season or over his entire Everton career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 See the link that Haf posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 So 14 games. Laughable to even convey them alone to make a point on Pienaar's overall impact at the club. I've already stated they should compare them to the post xmas stats the season before. Final point and then I'm not bothering with this thread for a while, the quality of chances created by Pienaar is far lower than from the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 14 games is a statistically certain amount of games. Enough to be sure of his worth. I do respect your opinion of Pienaar because everyone has the right to an opinion. I dont agree with your view but i respect it. I dont think we have had a better player in his position since Limpar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 We don't always get our player appraisals correct, mine regarding fellaini early on was a bit off (however I did think his performances were a fair distance off what we got to eventually see) Sometimes listening to seasoned pros and ex pros tells you all you need to know. Pienaar is a fantastic player, a proper footballer. ForevertonZA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 We don't always get our player appraisals correct, mine regarding fellaini early on was a bit off (however I did think his performances were a fair distance off what we got to eventually see) Sometimes listening to seasoned pros and ex pros tells you all you need to know. Pienaar is a fantastic player, a proper footballer. Spot on... sadly many rate players on whether they actually like them as a personality or not... and some just go off the hype (which works both ways!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 We don't always get our player appraisals correct, mine regarding fellaini early on was a bit off (however I did think his performances were a fair distance off what we got to eventually see) Sometimes listening to seasoned pros and ex pros tells you all you need to know. Pienaar is a fantastic player, a proper footballer. Totally agree, in fact I think you were spot on with your earler poast as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Totally agree, in fact I think you were spot on with your earler poast as well Ffs Dunc don't agree with me! I get confused!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Get a room you two!! I think take a look at the form we have been in this season, Pienaar and Baines are an unmatched force in the premier league. Two very good and intelligent footballers, playing well together. And we seem to be doing pretty well from it, as we speak we are 4th in the table. They cant be that shit. But I do hear that we carry Neville, and I guess its feasable we could carry Pienaar too. So the other 9 players must be immense! ForevertonZA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Massive article in swedish newspaper yesterday saying how important Pienaar/baines is to everton. But they also give massive praise to Mirallas. When he comes pver on the left and Baines, Pienaar an Felli already there they can break down any defence just by being a player more on that side. They are so skilled on small areas that they can overpopulate the area without losing their composure and passing. In fact it seems to be a strategic move from DM and they presented statistics to prove it. Ill get it translated and stick it up here after the weekend. (for now ive just got room for tomorrows game in my head) JoeQuince 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 i fully agree with that swedish newspaper article - those 4 players can destroy any defense - with Jelly as the cherry on top - my concern is the other half of our midfield not covering enough ground and our defense not operating as a solid unit yet. ForevertonZA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForevertonZA Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 He's too slow! We don't need him to do our break aways, we just need him to do his job, making critical passes at crucial times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodisonRoad Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 It was a bit of sarcasm mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efc1111 Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Ruled out for 3-4 weeks by a 'grade one soft tissue injury' in training on Friday: http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fc-injury-blow-steven-6037364? The Daily Mail reports it as a hamstring: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2422774/Everton-midfielder-Steven-Pienaar-weeks.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 grade one soft tissue?! why not just say he's hurt his leg? fuckin hell might get gerard a chance now...and naismith to hopefully prove that wasn't a one off Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 ... 'grade one soft tissue injury' in training... I get that when I have too much to drink. Mine isn't usually in training through, or that's certainly not what the misses would call it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I've been concerned with his performances. He and Osman both have been struggling, I hope this is just a dip in form and they can both pull a few more good years out for us. That being said, one day, Jagielka, Osman, Hibbert, Pienaar and others will have retired and Sylvain Distin will still be playing in an Everton shirt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efc1111 Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I agree. Pienaar and especially Osman were underwhelming for the final stages of last season and both looked as though they were running on empty. I always thought that if Barkley was given a chance he could have allowed one of them to be rested and rotated in the closing stages but it never happened and they had to struggle on. I hoped they would start this season on fresh legs but to be honest they don't look much fresher and I'm afraid age is starting to catch up with both of them. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 http://www.football365.com/everton/9353404/Transfer-news-Steven-Pienaar-remains-committed-to-Everton-s-Premier-League-plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoward18 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I think MLS would be a smart move for him. He's exactly the kind of player who thrives here in the U.S. I'm not sure, given the injury and now being 32, how much he has left in the tank to play at the level Everton are at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I think MLS would be a smart move for him. He's exactly the kind of player who thrives here in the U.S. I'm not sure, given the injury and now being 32, how much he has left in the tank to play at the level Everton are at. I'd give him another season, where hopefully he'll be a bench player (fingers crossed we sign a quality winger this summer), and then let him go next summer. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoward18 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I'd give him another season, where hopefully he'll be a bench player (fingers crossed we sign a quality winger this summer), and then let him go next summer. Yeah, I'm not against keeping him. He's been here long enough that he's earned the benefit of the doubt, and if nothing else he's a good depth/clubhouse guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I don't think we are in a position to let anybody go at the moment and I wouldn't want him to go anyway. It's not like his game is all about pace so I think he has another season or two in him yet MC11, StevO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 No to Pienaar leaving Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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