markiediow Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Ive read on a few sites that Chelsea are prepared to break the record transfer for an english defender with a bid of over £30m Ive read on a few sites that Chelsea are prepared to break the record transfer for an english defender with a bid of over £30m Yes, but they have sold a defender for £50m, that is what his price should be based on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I'd rate him as £55m with add ons rising to £70m. There, that's the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I'm standing in the Everton shop while I post this and people are buying Stones shirts in front of my eyes. £100 please mate, £89 that please, kerching. I hope to god we don't sell him as there's going to be a lot of disgruntled people. Not as disgruntled as me buying this fucking pyjama of an away kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I'm standing in the Everton shop while I post this and people are buying Stones shirts in front of my eyes. £100 please mate, £89 that please, kerching. I hope to god we don't sell him as there's going to be a lot of disgruntled people. Not as disgruntled as me buying this fucking pyjama of an away kit Even more disgruntled will be the people who took their Stones shirts back with 26 on. Only to be told that its was 'their fault' for not waiting for the new squad numbers. Who then MAY have repurchased, and now with the possibility of him leaving.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Strange that someone who worked as hard as Sir Alex was lucky? If you don't consider Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt & Neville coming through the same youth team as a bit lucky.... Surely you have to give "some" credit to the scouts and youth coaches. Or did they just do well because Ferguson worked hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Brian Kidd was heavily involved in them lot coming through too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 If you don't consider Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt & Neville coming through the same youth team as a bit lucky.... Surely you have to give "some" credit to the scouts and youth coaches. Or did they just do well because Ferguson worked hard? Who set the system up and put the staff in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Who set the system up and put the staff in place? Ron Atkinson? Frank O'Farrell? Or is it a trick question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Ron Atkinson? Frank O'Farrell? Or is it a trick question? D) None of the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johns tones dad Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 No matter what is said, I still can't quite see the big deal with this kid, or at least it's simply a name that generates no excitement or little interest, being serious. Ok, people are saying, he's one for the future or a very good player, but I'm just skeptical maybe. Until we can actually see him out there and involved and playing regularly I can do little but reserve judgment for the time in question.'Best young defender in England' - sounds like an exaggeration. If this kid lives up to hype, fair enough, but it's all a bit too much too soon for somehttp://www.teamtalk.com/championship/8467240/Barnsley-boss-David-Flitcroft-left-numb-by-John-Stones-departure This is so funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 This is so funny I actually hope you are his dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 This is so funny To be fair the post was made only three days after we signed him and six months before he put a foot on the pitch for us, so a bit of caution was understandable. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 I would suggest everybody looking back at the two Arsenal goals and keeping a close eye on Stones position and body language for both. Quite frankly lazy lacklustre defending and I'm not talking about the poor pass for the second. I'm watching his positioning when both balls are delivered. I said this a while back he's been shit and was shot down by certain members of this forum. I also thought he had a part in the sending off of Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 http://www.timesoccer.com/video/08/15-everton-vs-arsenal-live-match-highlights.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 I would suggest everybody looking back at the two Arsenal goals and keeping a close eye on Stones position and body language for both. Quite frankly lazy lacklustre defending and I'm not talking about the poor pass for the second. I'm watching his positioning when both balls are delivered. I said this a while back he's been shit and was shot down by certain members of this forum. I also thought he had a part in the sending off of Barry. He's not perfect - but for a lad so young playing a mentally demanding position he is very very good. I picked up the 1-2 in real time and the first goal he did let the man go as picked up on the highlight shows. Thing is he will learn - thats what he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Without doubt the most talented centre half I've ever seen at that age. I've just seen a slight drop in performance since the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Doesn't really matter about the positioning of the centre-backs, the fact is that both crosses were Howard's, particularly the first which Howard could have caught if he'd been off his line quicker. At worst, he could have punched it. Instead, he is flapping about in no-man's land. Same for the second. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard's way Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) the thing i find hard to accept is jags makes mistake after mistake and it slips under the radar but due to stones gaining so much attraction due to his ability, the spot light will be on him every single time... He'll make lots more mistakes but so does kompany and terry and they are renowned as the best. Edited October 26, 2015 by Howard's way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Doesn't really matter about the positioning of the centre-backs, the fact is that both crosses were Howard's, particularly the first which Howard could have caught if he'd been off his line quicker. At worst, he could have punched it. Instead, he is flapping about in no-man's land. Same for the second. Agree Howard is at fault but there's also blame on Stones for both goals..... Loses his man on both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Agree Howard is at fault but there's also blame on Stones for both goals..... Loses his man on both. MC11's point does push me to think about Stones's weaknesses as well as strengths. I am always annoyed when a footballer falls asleep, loafs, ball-watching. I haven't focused enough on Stones to notice whether ball-watching is a major weakness for him, but it's possible. I suspect we are -- certainly I am -- impressed with his confidence with the ball at his feet, especially his willingness to come forward, across midfield, fending off challenges. He gets credit for fearlessness and smarts. Clever moves pretty regularly; applause dribbling. And he's made quite a few rescue slide tackles, prohibiting shot opportunities. And I'd guess there's something of an expectation that he'll come good for some headers for goals. But maybe MC11's spotted a task-- a very basic defensive must -- that Stones does not perform with the requisite consistency. Worth our attention, if for no other reason than that we can disagree and call each other wankers and bellends, for not having an elementary understanding of the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 MC11's point does push me to think about Stones's weaknesses as well as strengths. I am always annoyed when a footballer falls asleep, loafs, ball-watching. I haven't focused enough on Stones to notice whether ball-watching is a major weakness for him, but it's possible. I suspect we are -- certainly I am -- impressed with his confidence with the ball at his feet, especially his willingness to come forward, across midfield, fending off challenges. He gets credit for fearlessness and smarts. Clever moves pretty regularly; applause dribbling. And he's made quite a few rescue slide tackles, prohibiting shot opportunities. And I'd guess there's something of an expectation that he'll come good for some headers for goals. But maybe MC11's spotted a task-- a very basic defensive must -- that Stones does not perform with the requisite consistency. Worth our attention, if for no other reason than that we can disagree and call each other wankers and bellends, for not having an elementary understanding of the position. not a big issue when he will be sold for 50m plus. let the other team figure that out over time, we will keep it secret and exploit it when we play the bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Worth our attention, if for no other reason than that we can disagree and call each other wankers and bellends, for not having an elementary understanding of the position. Can I just hold my hand up at this point and admit I don't have even an elementary understanding of the art of defending (said it before), so I've never called anyone a wanker or a bellend for their opinions on it and never will . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Can I just hold my hand up at this point and admit I don't have even an elementary understanding of the art of defending (said it before), so I've never called anyone a wanker or a bellend for their opinions on it and never will . wanker :wind up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 wanker :wind up: I should've said "hold both hands up" then I wouldn't have had one free . Romey 1878, Lowensda and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Can I just hold my hand up at this point and admit I don't have even an elementary understanding of the art of defending (said it before).... Oh, I'd bet your understanding is more elementary than mine. Or maybe less elementary. More or less. But MC11's COCH ("comprehension of center half") -- and that of countless others -- is sure to be way better than ours put together. Wait. That's not quite right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would suggest everybody looking back at the two Arsenal goals and keeping a close eye on Stones position and body language for both. Quite frankly lazy lacklustre defending and I'm not talking about the poor pass for the second. I'm watching his positioning when both balls are delivered. I said this a while back he's been shit and was shot down by certain members of this forum. I also thought he had a part in the sending off of Barry. He does seem a little less excited to be out on the pitch this season. That Stones smile hasn't been out like it was all last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Oh, I'd bet your understanding is more elementary than mine. Or maybe less elementary. More or less. But MC11's COCH ("comprehension of center half") -- and that of countless others -- is sure to be way better than ours put together. Wait. That's not quite right. id rather not talk about MCs COCH to be honest.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I played centre-half for most of my footballing days. There is a problem for defenders when a ball comes into the six yard box but there is no shout from the goalkeeper. The six yard box is the goalkeepers and I have been clattered by a goalie when I have gone for the same ball because he didn't shout. I don't think you can blame any of the defenders for the two goals. Regardless of whether they 'lost their man' it was Howard's ball for both goals. I have seen just as many goals scored because a defender went for the ball and collided with his own goalie which ended with neither of them getting the ball. What we don't know is: did Howard shout? If he did, then the defenders are blameless. If he didn't shout, then he should have done. MikeO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue4Ever Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Without doubt the most talented centre half I've ever seen at that age. I've just seen a slight drop in performance since the summer. thought against swansea he looked unbeatable complete performance but i can see what your saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Never ever decide a ball is someone else's. My manager used to sub players for that...school yard basics. If the goalkeeper doesn't call then you deal with it. Professional players shouldn't even think, it should be instinctive. If he did call for it and then not make a move for it, he needs shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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