Finn balor Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 De boar for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 De boar for me Must say, he does have a nose for talent.... rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Must say, he does have a nose for talent.... Definitely looks like he can hold a squad together! They'd all be right behind him. rubecula, Matt and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Not that it will matter but the Mourinho calls are a bit odd. It shows that fans are willing to sacrifice club image in exchange for a better chance, not a guaranteed chance, of winning a trophy and/or getting into the top 4. Which is a shame. I used to really like Mourinho...years ago. But as the years have gone on its become to much about him. The Jose show. I've said all along that I fully believe Chelsea's players turned on Mourinho after the way he treated Eva Carneiro, which was just diabolical behaviour and typical of what he has become. And that's wanted at Everton? No thank you. We don't do egos at Everton. If Martinez proves to be the wrong man, then I am sure there are plenty of managers out there who are up for the challenge and we won't need to sell our soul for. MikeO and chicagoblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 We don't do egos at Everton? Who are you kidding? Some of the clubs greatest her is had massive egos! Our current squad is full of them, as does our manager, as did our previous manager, our chairman and our CEO. We like to think our shit doesn't stink sometimes! Mourinho might have en ego, so does Ronaldo. Would you turn him down too? If I had the track record that Jose had Id be walking round telling people how good I am too. But when he tells his players how good they are, they believe him. Don't take my word for it, there's a great interview out there with Frank Lampard. He basically says that Jose convinced him he was the best midfielder in the world, then he started to play like it. When Roberto says to Barkley how good he is I'm sure it felt great until he then said Barry is one of the best English players of all time. I guess is all just about perspective for me. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 We don't do egos at Everton? Who are you kidding? Some of the clubs greatest her is had massive egos! Our current squad is full of them, as does our manager, as did our previous manager, our chairman and our CEO. We like to think our shit doesn't stink sometimes! Mourinho might have en ego, so does Ronaldo. Would you turn him down too? If I had the track record that Jose had Id be walking round telling people how good I am too. But when he tells his players how good they are, they believe him. Don't take my word for it, there's a great interview out there with Frank Lampard. He basically says that Jose convinced him he was the best midfielder in the world, then he started to play like it. When Roberto says to Barkley how good he is I'm sure it felt great until he then said Barry is one of the best English players of all time. I guess is all just about perspective for me. We don't do Mourinho style ego. Keep it in context. It was about Mourinho, not Ronaldo or anyone else. Everyone has an ego of some sort. I said I like the Mourinho of old. I'm going by the most recent version. Maybe he'll have learnt something from that? And come back 'bigger and better'? Who knows. I highly doubt we'll get to see. My shit stinks by the way, absolutely hums...terrible dangerous toxic stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 My wife will vouch my shit stinks too haha I'd have no problem with his ego, obviously by my opinions, I think we could do with it if we want to be big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 My wife will vouch my shit stinks too haha I'd have no problem with his ego, obviously by my opinions, I think we could do with it if we want to be big time. Yeah, it's all about opinions. I don't think you need such a self indulgent ego to be big time. You asked before if I'd not have Ronaldo because of his ego. Well, if we had the coin, then no I wouldn't have him. I'd have Messi. Two players. Equally gifted. Totally different attitudes. Same with managers really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Yeah, it's all about opinions. I don't think you need such a self indulgent ego to be big time. You asked before if I'd not have Ronaldo because of his ego. Well, if we had the coin, then no I wouldn't have him. I'd have Messi. Two players. Equally gifted. Totally different attitudes. Same with managers really. I agree, wouldn't want Ronaldo or (as I've said before) Mourinho anywhere near Everton. chicagoblue, rubecula and London Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) Mourinho uses himself as a figurehead, he is a genius at it. How long did it take him to slate the squad when they left him out to dry? He takes all the shots and makes them. Eva cavenairo.... would it have been a problem with the players if it was a 50 year old grey haired male doctor with a beer belly?? No.... the very very strong rumour is that ivanovic and hazard had been in a relationship with her. Mourinho is a master of planning and execution. I don't like what he did in his pursuit of stones but it shows how much he will do for the club he represents. Edited March 11, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Eva cavenairo.... would it have been a problem with the players if it was a 50 year old grey haired male doctor with a beer belly?? No.... the very very strong rumour is that ivanovic and hazard had been in a relationship with her. You miss the point Haf. She didn't even take the lead in going onto the pitch...a bloke did...yet she got the full wrath for it. And the aftermath. The reason she was targeted by Mourinho is the same reason that you haven't heard a rumour about Ivanovic and Hazard shagging a 50 year old male grey haired male doctor with a beer belly. The way he treated her, it can't be defended. And shouldn't be. chicagoblue and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 According to Thiery Henry, Messi has as big an ego as anyone. I see ego as a positive thing if used to get the best out if people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 According to Thiery Henry, Messi has as big an ego as anyone. I see ego as a positive thing if used to get the best out if people. Definition of ego. "A person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance." Not remotely helpful in a team game. Andy Murray maybe needs a big ego, as does Rory McIlroy and Mo Farrah. It's not an overly useful attribute if you're relying on others and they're relying on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Definition of ego. "A person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance." Not remotely helpful in a team game. Andy Murray maybe needs a big ego, as does Rory McIlroy and Mo Farrah. It's not an overly useful attribute if you're relying on others and they're relying on you. all we have to do is look at the top 2 teams and we see lack of egos. leicester and spurs. some young players and castoffs among the 2, barely an ego on there compared to city, united, shite, arsenal, etc. i agree and think we should emulate them with a team first game. that way if someone goes down you just promote someone else, you're not all focused on 1-2 players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 According to Thiery Henry, Messi has as big an ego as anyone. I see ego as a positive thing if used to get the best out if people. Like I said, everyone has an ego of some sort. How do you use it though? That's the difference. Can of worms opened here I think!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Those saying they don't want any ego's in the team are barmy. All the best players have ego's that's wat makes them winners.... Nicey nice gets you nowhere. See Phil Jagielka and alike. You need some sort of maverick in the side. They're the type of players that win games on their own. Far too many cliches on the forum.... Wake up into reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 IMO nobody has yet posted a viable alternative to Martinez, which is a little sad. We need a good manager. preferably a great one. He needs to be available immediately or in the short term if we dump RM. He must want to come to Everton and stay for a long time (ie more that 3 years) So who do we know who can fill atr least two of those requirements ??? (The first person to mention David Moyes at this point will be in for abuse from a lot of the other posters I suspect) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 IMO nobody has yet posted a viable alternative to Martinez, which is a little sad. We need a good manager. preferably a great one. He needs to be available immediately or in the short term if we dump RM. He must want to come to Everton and stay for a long time (ie more that 3 years) So who do we know who can fill atr least two of those requirements ??? (The first person to mention David Moyes at this point will be in for abuse from a lot of the other posters I suspect) I'll refer you to Makis' post (#202) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 IMO nobody has yet posted a viable alternative to Martinez, which is a little sad. We need a good manager. preferably a great one. He needs to be available immediately or in the short term if we dump RM. He must want to come to Everton and stay for a long time (ie more that 3 years) So who do we know who can fill atr least two of those requirements ??? (The first person to mention David Moyes at this point will be in for abuse from a lot of the other posters I suspect) IMO means In My Opinion I'll refer you to Makis' post (#202) It was a good post but I do not think anyone on there fills three or even two of the criteria Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Those saying they don't want any ego's in the team are barmy. All the best players have ego's that's wat makes them winners.... Nicey nice gets you nowhere. See Phil Jagielka and alike. You need some sort of maverick in the side. They're the type of players that win games on their own. Far too many cliches on the forum.... Wake up into reality Agreed. You need winners in the team..people that believe others don't have the right to be on the same pitch as them. We want players that can fight when the game isn't going thier way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 IMO means In My Opinion It was a good post but I do not think anyone on there fills three or even two of the criteria I'm with you, but we live in the age now where through the media fans/voters think they can constantly agitate for change based on them "knowing more/better" than who ever is in charge. Its a worry because tonight he'll show up for work and I'm sure there will be "that vibe". Not the best situation to be in. If Martinez had tinkered I'd probably think differently but it was a revolution, still needs more time. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Well, Martinez and his ego have cost us 2 years of progress so far. I'd rather he sticks his ego up his arse and puts Everton first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 There is a school of thought that both clubs in the city have seen fortunes decline since they moved past the 'one of our own' philosophy of appointing managers to join the 'modern' age of hiring people with the right coaching badges. Last manager to win us anything? Joe Royal. Before that? Howard Kendall. Man City and Chelsea represent the best examples of the 'continental' manegerial approach in English football, but they have been bank rolled by billionaires. Man Utd and Arsenal enjoyed success under managers who, although they hadn't played for the club previously, threw themselves into the culture and identity of their respective clubs and built dynasties. I'm not saying this is a viable option right now, but would not a club like ours best be served by a passionate blue blood who understands the fans, the club, the history and traditions? Who burns with the same desire to return this club to the pinnacle of the game the way the crowd does, which is something that appears to be terrifying Martinez and his team based on current home form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 There is a school of thought that both clubs in the city have seen fortunes decline since they moved past the 'one of our own' philosophy of appointing managers to join the 'modern' age of hiring people with the right coaching badges. Last manager to win us anything? Joe Royal. Before that? Howard Kendall. Man City and Chelsea represent the best examples of the 'continental' manegerial approach in English football, but they have been bank rolled by billionaires. Man Utd and Arsenal enjoyed success under managers who, although they hadn't played for the club previously, threw themselves into the culture and identity of their respective clubs and built dynasties. I'm not saying this is a viable option right now, but would not a club like ours best be served by a passionate blue blood who understands the fans, the club, the history and traditions? Who burns with the same desire to return this club to the pinnacle of the game the way the crowd does, which is something that appears to be terrifying Martinez and his team based on current home form? No. What are the options? Duncan Ferguson? David Unsworth? Alan Stubbs. No fucking thank you. Frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Well, Martinez and his ego have cost us 2 years of progress so far. I'd rather he sticks his ego up his arse and puts Everton first. Disagree, couple more good signings and this team will be dangerously close to actually winning things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Disagree, couple more good signings and this team will be dangerously close to actually winning things. I've stuck by Martinez against better judgement. He's an absolute tit of a man who instead of addressing the 10% failing him is using that 10% failing him as an opportunity to make a point. I used an analogy to describe David Moyes a while ago. Something like "he would be given £10k to spend in a casino, all night he would be on the 50p table and walk out with £10k in his pocket. He wouldn't take any gambles and have fun trying to win something" To describe Martinez in this way would be.... he gets to the casino. Gets given £20k with the aim of doubling his money. 15 minutes before the end of the night he is stood there with £60k.... "cash in roberto, job done mate. You've trebled the bosses money".... Bad move, you've told him to use common sense... defiance kicks in the catalans very being. 10k down on black, lost. 10k down on black, lost. He sticks to black and leaves the club empty handed.... The man gambles against common sense in order to make himself look good. He's gambling with Everton. I've supported him for the fact that I believe he can be a great manager, but like most bad gamblers - he allows his ego to override common sense. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) No. What are the options? Duncan Ferguson? David Unsworth? Alan Stubbs. No fucking thank you. Frightening. Not right now because they lack experience but why further down the line, if they can provee themselves down the leagues the way Kendall did, the way Royale did? Why are we looking at Spaniards and Germans as the be all and end all? It's the same attitude about players that has taken over the Premier League era - they're foreign, therefore they must be better. It's become a default position and that is a big problem because it isn't necessarily true. There is huge ability, knowledge and passion for football in this country, in the north west, in Liverpool, at our club and I think it is being wasted. Just saying. Edited March 12, 2016 by nogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Everytime we have a good spell, and he's out of the shit, he pulls the tippy tappy onto the table again. The bloke's mental. He could be great he choses not to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 He will be on best behaviour today... the boss is in the crowd. He can't run risk of the outrage if he does his usual stupid stubborn shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 I think having a blue at heart can make for dangerous decisions. You need to be ruthless, and if you're too emotional about things it can make bad calls, id rather a manager be cold and calculated and make the decisions needed to win football matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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