nogs Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Lukaku I can understand as he doesn't strike me as a Bielsa type centre forward (except for his physique). Niasse looks more like it assuming he is any good. But Barkley doesn't look like someone why shys away from hard work. Deulofeu is also physically a decent fit (Bielsa likes his players to have pace) but whether he's prepared to put in the shift I don't know. Bielsa won't accept him standing with his arms on his hips on the centre-line while the opposition attacks. Barkley looks utterly lost doing any type of defensive work. I'd reckon a manager that puts so much emphasis on front-to-back pressing as Bielsa would have serious concerns about him. Fortunately for Ross it sounds like the Bielsa rumours are BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 That would be strange. The manager is the most important single appointment a club makes. Moshiri is not exactly someone who has no clue. He has been involved with Arsenal for years so he knows the score and doesn't have to rely on middlemen for important decisions. Moshiri most certainly will have the last say both whether to keep Martinez and if he's to be replaced, who takes over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Mourinho has already unloaded Lukaku once. He's notorious for having favourite 'types' of player, Rom's face just doesn't fit with him, and I doubt Barkley's would either given the fact the lad cannot defend to save his life. Also, Mourinho just doesn't bring kids through. I'd rather have a Van Gaal or Klopp type who base their whole philosophy around developing players from a young age. There's a lot of young talent at our club that would never get a look in under Mourinho. That's the thing though nogs, Mourinho didn't unload Rom. Rom asked to leave and they had no issues. Barkley can defend just fine for a player in his role, we've seen it with England. At Everton he is told he doesn't have to defend/tackle. After Van Gaal, I cant go on. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Seems Mourinho is in line for Utd job. Would anyone fancy giggs as manager with phil neville as his top asst? dlblue, Romey 1878 and Hafnia 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Seems Mourinho is in line for Utd job. Would anyone fancy giggs as manager with phil neville as his top asst? No. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I'm expecting the Neville shouts any time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I'm expecting the Neville shouts any time now. At the moment I'd be made up if we signed him to play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Seems Mourinho is in line for Utd job. Would anyone fancy giggs as manager with phil neville as his top asst? sorry mate I had to negative rep you for that one! Giggs strikes me as one of the thickest footballers I have come across, and Phil Neville is just like Doddsy on Mike Basset England manager. I would take an experienced manager like Biesla and have Gary Neville as an assistant manager - I believe that lad has a big future in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 What about Ronald Koeman? I don't know if we could attract him given Southampton outperforming us, but possibly given our squad and the promise of bigger spending-- He's done a good job at Southampton. Sean Dyche? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 What about Ronald Koeman? I don't know if we could attract him given Southampton outperforming us, but possibly given our squad and the promise of bigger spending-- He's done a good job at Southampton. Sean Dyche? Koeman has potential but I think we should be aiming higher but I really don't understand the calls for Dyche dlblue and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 What about Ronald Koeman? I don't know if we could attract him given Southampton outperforming us, but possibly given our squad and the promise of bigger spending-- He's done a good job at Southampton. Sean Dyche? Even before the investment i would have been unhappy with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 What about Ronald Koeman? I don't know if we could attract him given Southampton outperforming us, but possibly given our squad and the promise of bigger spending-- He's done a good job at Southampton. Sean Dyche? I like Koeman he's a good manager but Southampton are a decent side and are very financially sound unless the national job becomes available I can't see him leaving tbh Dyche no thanks he's a good championship type manager who will do well at getting teams to bounce from tier to tier in the mould of Warnock Mick McCarthy etc I'd be happy with any of the following if Martinez is given his marching orders Biesla Rudi Garcia Pellegrini De Boer Loads of other names out there but trying to be abit realistic Biesla and Garcia are both unemployed Pellegrini will be come the end of the season and De Boer potentially has the makings of a good manager and has the right credentials markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I like Koeman he's a good manager but Southampton are a decent side and are very financially sound unless the national job becomes available I can't see him leaving tbh Dyche no thanks he's a good championship type manager who will do well at getting teams to bounce from tier to tier in the mould of Warnock Mick McCarthy etc I'd be happy with any of the following if Martinez is given his marching orders Biesla Rudi Garcia Pellegrini De Boer Loads of other names out there but trying to be abit realistic Biesla and Garcia are both unemployed Pellegrini will be come the end of the season and De Boer potentially has the makings of a good manager and has the right credentials Add Lucien Favre to the list and I'm in agreement. Some solid men there, could help get us back to European football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Think pelligrini is either going to Valencia or one of the Russian teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Could well do Finn but going off his recent interview I'm sure he said he would like to stay in England and go to a club that is a "project" and European football isn't a necessity due to the extra games etc I just felt all fingers pointed towards us tbh I can't really think of another club with managerial problems/unrest if you will that fits those remarks bar ourselves Mark I actually didn't realise he'd resigned tbh mate as I don't really keep up with the Russian scene but fully agree a good manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankurette Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Koeman, but it's not going to happen. We're probably more likely to get Howe or something. And the Echo says the Bielsa rumour is BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Id take Manchini. I really think we need to be looking at a name as well as a CV, if we want to progress it's just as much about the profile off the pitch as well as on it for me. Big name managers brings big attention and with it players. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Mancini is seriously overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) Id have Mancini. He's won things at every club he's managed and he managed big players and ego's throughout his career. Edited April 11, 2016 by MC11 StevO, Chach and Sibdane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Id have Mancini. He's won things at every club he's managed and he managed big players and ego's throughout his career. I'd go with that maybe. Dealt with tevez admirably. His signings were very hit and miss though... javi garcia, rodwell, bought aguero in along with silva and toure StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I'd go with that maybe. Dealt with tevez admirably. His signings were very hit and miss though... javi garcia, rodwell, bought aguero in along with silva and toure Not forgetting Balottelli. It was also interesting to read that he give half time team talks when he was a player. Must have had it in him from the get go. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Honest to God, we have to sort another manager out quickly though because if we leave it too long after Martinez's departure current players will be looking to go elsewhere. We have to get a manager with some credentials if we are to attract players to the club. A 'going nowhere' club with a 'done nothing' manager will ensure that we remain 'also rans' in the Prem. To be taken seriously management needs to secure someone with credentials, to show we mean business. I've assumed that Martinez will be going, perhaps at the end of the season if not sooner as we can't afford to be discussing this again next season as we did with Moyes for a number of years while the management dragged it's collective feet. We need a new face with new ideas, getting the players back real early, getting them fit, drilling the defence and organising various plays to suit various scenarios (plan B, C and D!). Stop these annual pre-season shit games with Bury, Preston, Rhyl, Tranmere etc. and get some real opposition. Martinez's World Cup pundit scenario screwed this club to the extent that we're still paying for it. Time for a change of outlook for this club. Get rid of 'the plucky underdogs' shit, 'punching above their weight' shit. If you want something to happen, you have to change things to make it happen. FFS let's get professional and do away with the 'that'll do attitude' that we've had to endure since Howard Kendall' departure. We need Joe's 'dogs of war' attitude to get management moving. Hopefully the new boss will assert some authority here and lose Bill's loyalty outlook (laudable though it is in certain circumstances) that has kept us in the 2nd tier....sliding to 3rd tier of Prem clubs. It is an unhappy fact that Kenwright alone is responsible for an awful lot of what has happened in the last 20 years in this club. His refusal to sack managers at times where other clubs would have had them gone for years has taken this club into the mess it is now. Moyes should have gone 3/4 years earlier, but Bill procrastinated for so long that the decision was taken out of his hands. Martinez should have gone 2 months into last season, yet here we are hoping he will be gone this season. A 'let's give him till Christmas' scenario should not even be on their minds behind the doors at Goodison at the moment. I sincerely hope that the new boss with his past experience will see what has been going on here and fix it fast. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Alan Stubbs, he seems to have mastered the Everton way if tonight is anything to go by.... "FT: Hibernian 2-2 Falkirk Posted at 21:46 Massive credit to Falkirk. They were down to 10 men and two goals down after 86 minutes but somehow managed to salvage a draw, which preserves their six-point lead over Hibs." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Alan Stubbs, he seems to have mastered the Everton way if tonight is anything to go by.... "FT: Hibernian 2-2 Falkirk Posted at 21:46 Massive credit to Falkirk. They were down to 10 men and two goals down after 86 minutes but somehow managed to salvage a draw, which preserves their six-point lead over Hibs." been following them in the standings and they've been on a massive fall recently. around christmas they were 5 points off Rangers, now they'll be playing the first playoff match instead of the second as Falkirk has risen far above them. Stubbs would have to win 2 Championship playoffs and then the 3rd against the SPL side, i think barring that he's fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 To respond to the doubts about Dyche, I will say that he reminds me of a young Moyes in many ways. He is able to produce solid, tight sides that play with incredible effort and team spirit. I think he's done quite well with a bunch of grafters at Burnley, but whether he has the vision and ability to take a bunch of top players and make them compete in the Premier League is another question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 I really don't understand why fans who want rid of Martinez suggest such low calibre replacements. At best you're just getting like for like - taking a chance on someone. That's not what we need or should be aiming for. I'm not saying we could attract the very best, but Eddie Howe? Sean Dyche? No. Lowensda, dlblue and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche! lets aim a little higher. We need a manager that can attract top players, id also like a manager that would help to raise our profile. Neither of those could do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 If you've not won a league title in a major European league, do not apply. Matt and dlblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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