Jordan Pickford

[Shukes]

PeteO, not sure who the boo boys your referring to are mate. But just wanted to put that I put what I see with my own eyes. I may misjudge sometimes, or miss things. But they are my honest opinions and it based on anyone else opinions. As you yourself do.

People may not agree with you, but you stand your ground and explain with detail (so much detail ), and I applaud you for that. 
 

your still wrong though

[Cornish Steve]

17 hours ago, StevO said:

Mark thinks that we all think our English players are great (I don’t see it with anything other than Sky Sports myself, and certainly not in Evertonians), he just thinks the opposite. 

Honestly, I'd say that Brits in general are quite the opposite: We can be very harsh on ourselves. Only when an outsider says we're crap do we get all upset and claim we're the greatest. You see it here in this discussion. Giving our own opinion, we can be quite critical of Pickford. When the media is critical of him, they're biased and we defend him.

[pete0]

9 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

Honestly, I'd say that Brits in general are quite the opposite: We can be very harsh on ourselves. Only when an outsider says we're crap do we get all upset and claim we're the greatest. You see it here in this discussion. Giving our own opinion, we can be quite critical of Pickford. When the media is critical of him, they're biased and we defend him.

Agree in general but when it comes to England players there's definitely a bias (and not just him the referees). They came home as heroes for doing bang average at the world cup. Harry Kane was poor at best over there yet came home to a knighthood! 

The media do like to pick one to blame though. Used to be Sterling but now it's Pickford. Has been David Beckham and Rooney in the past. So at least Jordan is in good company, tends to be the better players. 

[Hafnia]

I don't give a crap if a player is a ballon  dor  winner or some 18 year old kid promoted from the youth team.  I've got firm beliefs as to what things a player can be excused for and what they can't.

Will I excuse a player for missing a sitter from 6 yards if they work their arse off, help their team mates and are a positive impact on the team vs a player who doesn't do the hard yards and is more self centred? Yep. 

Will I be more critical of a goalkeeper who makes mistakes when they have a propensity to get involved with opposition fans, make comments about other keepers mistakes, dishes out verbal to team mates etc?  Yep.

For me attitude is everything.  I loved mirallas as a player till he flipped, same with Schneiderlein ...... a loss of attitude = an inability to trust a player. 

I will criticise Walcott but often find it difficult to do when he has busted a gut. .... some times he doesn't though. 

 

It's generally why I like the naismiths, Cahills, Watson's of this world...... we had 11 of them on the pitch in the 80s

[pete0]

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

I don't give a crap if a player is a ballon  dor  winner or some 18 year old kid promoted from the youth team.  I've got firm beliefs as to what things a player can be excused for and what they can't.

Will I excuse a player for missing a sitter from 6 yards if they work their arse off, help their team mates and are a positive impact on the team vs a player who doesn't do the hard yards and is more self centred? Yep. 

Will I be more critical of a goalkeeper who makes mistakes when they have a propensity to get involved with opposition fans, make comments about other keepers mistakes, dishes out verbal to team mates etc?  Yep.

For me attitude is everything.  I loved mirallas as a player till he flipped, same with Schneiderlein ...... a loss of attitude = an inability to trust a player. 

I will criticise Walcott but often find it difficult to do when he has busted a gut. .... some times he doesn't though. 

 

It's generally why I like the naismiths, Cahills, Watson's of this world...... we had 11 of them on the pitch in the 80s

In short you don't base it on their individual performance. You base it on whether you like them or not. Probs why you're such a shit scout you don't look at talent just whether you'd like a pint with them or be a neighbour. 

[StevO]

1 hour ago, pete0 said:

In short you don't base it on their individual performance. You base it on whether you like them or not. Probs why you're such a shit scout you don't look at talent just whether you'd like a pint with them or be a neighbour. 

In short Haf prefers a try hard to a talent

[Palfy]

5 hours ago, Shukes said:

. I pay a massive amount of money out of what I have available to go and watch them. 

Pleased to hear it mate money well worth spent

[Hafnia]

4 hours ago, pete0 said:

In short you don't base it on their individual performance. You base it on whether you like them or not. Probs why you're such a shit scout you don't look at talent just whether you'd like a pint with them or be a neighbour. 

Not everyone has your scouting talents Pete... not even PSG. 

[Hafnia]

3 hours ago, StevO said:

In short Haf prefers a try hard to a talent

In short.... effort and talent aren't mutually exclusive. You do understand that Steve?

I mean.... is Jordan Henderson as talented as Gylfi?  Not even close.  Would you start Gylfi over Henderson? 

Maybe I'm an Evertonian who is lucky enough to have seen us win the league with a side where ability vs  effort was a close call - the team had both in abundance.  But one wouldn't have prospered without the other.

I've seen lesser talented Everton sides achieve more than many of the more talented ones...... the cup win in 95 for example. 

 

[StevO]

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

In short.... effort and talent aren't mutually exclusive. You do understand that Steve?

I mean.... is Jordan Henderson as talented as Gylfi?  Not even close.  Would you start Gylfi over Henderson? 

Maybe I'm an Evertonian who is lucky enough to have seen us win the league with a side where ability vs  effort was a close call - the team had both in abundance.  But one wouldn't have prospered without the other.

I've seen lesser talented Everton sides achieve more than many of the more talented ones...... the cup win in 95 for example. 

 

It’s just too easy sometimes. 

[Hafnia]

1 minute ago, StevO said:

It’s just too easy sometimes. 

You haven't got a rise if that's what you're thinking... those days have gone.  It's a cyber existence.... very easy to forget that. But the point stands and is one many on here need to remember.... we've won nothing on talent alone - more on attitude than anything else 

[StevO]

4 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

You haven't got a rise if that's what you're thinking... those days have gone.  It's a cyber existence.... very easy to forget that. But the point stands and is one many on here need to remember.... we've won nothing on talent alone - more on attitude than anything else 

Yeah, that’s a rise. 

[Hafnia]

Just now, StevO said:

Yeah, that’s a rise. 

 No... not at all. More an impassioned response as to what I like to see in a team... the very team that we all want to do well and one that I got so much enjoyment from seeing win the league twice in 3 years.

 But hey ho... whatever gives you your kicks eh mate!

 

[pete0]

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Not everyone has your scouting talents Pete... not even PSG. 

You set the bar that low you'd give Walsh a run for his money. Even worse you don't admit you were wrong, you excuse it as the player has somehow got worse! Just off the top of my head you've trumpeted Joe Hart, Welbeck, Bony, RSC, Benteke, and Origi. I don't know anyone as bad at spotting talent. Can't remember if it was you or not, but possibly Januzaj on that list as well. Apologies if not. Still that's quite some doing to be so wrong so often. 

[StevO]

25 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

 No... not at all. More an impassioned response as to what I like to see in a team... the very team that we all want to do well and one that I got so much enjoyment from seeing win the league twice in 3 years.

 But hey ho... whatever gives you your kicks eh mate!

 

You replied three times to a throw away comment. You really need to relax mate, it’s Valentine’s Day!

[Hafnia]

1 minute ago, pete0 said:

You set the bar that low you'd give Walsh a run for his money. Even worse you don't admit you were wrong, you excuse it as the player has somehow got worse! Just off the top of my head you've trumpeted Joe Hart, Welbeck, Bony, RSC, Benteke, and Origi. I don't know anyone as bad at spotting talent. Can't remember if it was you or not, but possibly Januzaj on that list as well. Apologies if not. Still that's quite some doing to be so wrong so often. 

My scouting and  lack of a crystal ball means I've picked some real dog shit players Pete.... Wilfred Bony, to name but one.......  I still have the impartial ability to recognise that Gerrard was a very good player though tbf.  Have to excuse me..... ruby murray just been delivered. 

Happy Valentine's btw sugar tits x

[Hafnia]

15 minutes ago, StevO said:

You replied three times to a throw away comment. You really need to relax mate, it’s Valentine’s Day!

Yep... funny enough just wished Pete happy vals day. You too.... steveo, Peteo, righto.....

[pete0]

2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

My scouting and  lack of a crystal ball means I've picked some real dog shit players Pete.... Wilfred Bony, to name but one.......  I still have the impartial ability to recognise that Gerrard was a very good player though tbf.  Have to excuse me..... ruby murray just been delivered. 

Happy Valentine's btw sugar tits x

Gerrard was good at most things (Hollywood passing, tackling and decision making being his three main flaws) other than that he was quite rounded 6 or 7 out of 10 for most things. But this is the elite, much better to have a specialist in every position. Liverpool alone have had better players in all three of his positions. Lucas (DM), Alonso (CM), and Firminio (AM) all players I appreciated regardless of them being redshite so you're impartiality spout is out the window. 

[Hafnia]

5 hours ago, pete0 said:

Gerrard was good at most things (Hollywood passing, tackling and decision making being his three main flaws) other than that he was quite rounded 6 or 7 out of 10 for most things. But this is the elite, much better to have a specialist in every position. Liverpool alone have had better players in all three of his positions. Lucas (DM), Alonso (CM), and Firminio (AM) all players I appreciated regardless of them being redshite so you're impartiality spout is out the window. 

Not talking about impartiality based on who they play for..... impartiality is your ability to get through any bias you may have....... your biggest bias is your anchoring. Never ever go into recruitment.....

 

 

[Hafnia]

On 25/05/2012 at 19:59, pete0 said:

A hit and hope against westham, and don't see why he gets praise for the Milan game, Carra, Hamann and Dudek were their best players which says alot when they still conceeded a handful of goals and should have been many more. The Burnley game where Traore scored the og Gerrard was the worst player on the pitch. Gerrards no better than Kevin Davies or Nolan. Hit and hopes arent a skill the amount of efforts it takes him and he has not a single other attribute. Cant tackle, cant pass, and cant shoot with his eyes open.

 

On 25/05/2012 at 20:19, pete0 said:

Master of the corner flag more like it. Heitinga is a much better passer of the ball, Gerrard is on par with Neville.

 

On 01/06/2012 at 19:37, pete0 said:

Tell me best attributes because he cant pass, tackle, or shoot(closing yer eyes and having a blast doesnt count), no skill, little vision, and his heading is par for the course. He's been fortunate with referees and lucky strikes, it's beyond me how he's managed to pull the wool over peoples eyes for so long. No better than Cattermole, Nolan, or Kevin Davies with the latter 2 being better than him. Closest player to be the next Gerrard is Henderson, all rounder but not quite good at anything.

 

[pete0]

2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Not talking about impartiality based on who they play for..... impartiality is your ability to get through any bias you may have....... your biggest bias is your anchoring. Never ever go into recruitment.....

 

 

Anchoring, now you're just thinking of Gomes . 

Don't get why you're digging up old posts. Pretty consistent there and Henderson is still pretty much a similar player. Strange how he's not lauded as the best player ever, just an average all rounder.

[Romey 1878]

We need the football back so Pickford can come and collect a cross or concede a goal.

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, pete0 said:

Anchoring, now you're just thinking of Gomes . 

Don't get why you're digging up old posts. Pretty consistent there and Henderson is still pretty much a similar player. Strange how he's not lauded as the best player ever, just an average all rounder.

I'm "digging" up old posts Pete to try and put a stop being "right" as a competition.....

You are more than prone to bringing up old posts when it suits.  Quite frankly it is boring and is of no benefit to any other readers on the forum....... it's a pissing contest that I've become very very tired of.

Hopefully.... the posts above will act as a reminder that you like every single person on here isn't perfect...... you don't know the game as much as you would like to believe- neither do I. 

As for Henderson vs Gerrard.... very different players.  Similar in stature and that's about it.  Henderson is closer to Phil Neville in style but a great team player.  Gerrard was one of the best all round box to box midfielders we've seen in the prem and if we had him we would have won a few trophies. That's how good he was. Sadly. 

[StevO]

I think for next years winter break we need to take TT offline for two weeks. 

[London Blue]

52 minutes ago, StevO said:

I think for next years winter break we need to take TT offline for two weeks. 

At least for a week or so, just so people don't get cabin fever!

[Shukes]

20 hours ago, Palfy said:

Pleased to hear it mate money well worth spent

It is mate. But I’m not well off and it takes a lot to watch a match for me. It gets so frustrating when players don’t put the same effort in as I, and thousands more put in. For that, I reserve the right to criticise haha.

[Shukes]

It’s all a bit personal really looking in. Few fishermen trying to real the same person in. Wish we could all just drop the agenda’s and get back to discussing football to be honest.

Unless it’s my personal Vendetta to discredit Palfy, but that’s different, I’m in the right.

[Palfy]

3 minutes ago, Shukes said:

It is mate. But I’m not well off and it takes a lot to watch a match for me. It gets so frustrating when players don’t put the same effort in as I, and thousands more put in. For that, I reserve the right to criticise haha.

Right accepted, and doing it with good grace and humour as you have is so much more ingratiating, maybe more will follow your lead

[Palfy]

1 minute ago, Shukes said:

It’s all a bit personal really looking in. Few fishermen trying to real the same person in. Wish we could all just drop the agenda’s and get back to discussing football to be honest.

Unless it’s my personal Vendetta to discredit Palfy, but that’s different, I’m in the right.

Forget what I said in my last post you wanker

[Shukes]

1 minute ago, Palfy said:

Right accepted, and doing it with good grace and humour as you have is so much more ingratiating, maybe more will follow your lead

Damn I’m not trying hard enough. Who’s your favourite Everton player at the moment Palfy?