Matt Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Just now, John Burns said: I have not given opinion. Ok, a statement without evidence to back it up despite repeated requests (again). That better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Burns Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Quinn31 said: It would be massive commercial revenues rather than matchday revenues that would really allow us to catch up. Matchday revenues matter. When designing a new stadium it must be designed for maximum revenue take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 18 hours ago, John Burns said: Do you aspire to Tranmere Rovers? totally un called for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 8 hours ago, MikeO said: The only other times I think I've seen Shakespeare quoted on here is when people talk about "the dogs of war" but probably a lot don't realise that's where the phrase originates (Julius Caesar Act 3, Scene 1). I love Shakespeare, for me he is one of the greatest writers of all time because he writes about people, and the things that motivate them, love, hate, fear, honour, jealousy, greed, etc which are as relevant today as they were when he wrote them. Also his dialogue, is brilliant and his plots, for the most part better than most of the stuff coming out of Hollywood. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, London Blue said: I love Shakespeare, for me he is one of the greatest writers of all time because he writes about people, and the things that motivate them, love, hate, fear, honour, jealousy, greed, etc which are as relevant today as they were when he wrote them. Also his dialogue, is brilliant and his plots, for the most part better than most of the stuff coming out of Hollywood. Cry havoc and let slip the budgies of war does not have quite the same ring to it does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, London Blue said: I love Shakespeare Me also, strangely enough I'm going through the new incarnation of Dr Who from Christopher Ecclestone days and just yesterday watched the episode which featured The Bard. Henry IV Pt1 is my personal favourite, but I saw the late Robert Stephens playing Lear at Stratford many years ago and was stunned by the intensity of it! Wouldn't have worked in a stadium though (deftly bringing it back on topic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 7 hours ago, John Burns said: The project has stalled, most can see it has. It is obvious. No planning applied for, no design released after many months, no land or lease purchased - not owning the land is giving concern. Why the stall? The dock cannot provide a stadium large enough with large enough revenues for a club wanting to be a permanent member of the top 4, amongst other points. This has already been pointed out to you. It is quite simple. Keep up the Shakespeare fellas, I am a fan. How much space do we need for such a stadium and how much does the dock fall short by? MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Newty82 said: How much space do we need for such a stadium and how much does the dock fall short by? Don't ask questions he can't answer, that spoils his argument completely! MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, Newty82 said: How much space do we need for such a stadium and how much does the dock fall short by? 2ft 6in lengthwise and 44mm widththwise. Also we're going to be a cubit too high so likely to be destroyed by a plane coming into John Lennon. I have no evidence to back this up but it's true and you're really stupid if you doubt me. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 9 hours ago, John Burns said: The project has stalled, most can see it has. It is obvious. No planning applied for, no design released after many months, no land or lease purchased - not owning the land is giving concern. Why the stall? The dock cannot provide a stadium large enough with large enough revenues for a club wanting to be a permanent member of the top 4, amongst other points. This has already been pointed out to you. It is quite simple. Keep up the Shakespeare fellas, I am a fan. The club have an agreement in place to buy the land subject to planning permission being granted. Did you not get the press release? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Burns Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, StevO said: The club have an agreement in place to buy the land subject to planning permission being granted. Did you not get the press release? The club have not bought anything. They have released no stadium design, not applied for planning permission or secured a financial arrangement. If you can give details of movement of the above 4 points please let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Burnsy is funny. It’s gone well quiet though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 12 hours ago, John Burns said: The club have not bought anything. They have released no stadium design, not applied for planning permission or secured a financial arrangement. If you can give details of movement of the above 4 points please let me know. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-exchange-contracts-bramley-moore-13943850 thanks. rubecula and Bill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 23 hours ago, John Burns said: The project has stalled, most can see it has. It is obvious. No planning applied for, no design released after many months, no land or lease purchased - not owning the land is giving concern. Why the stall? The dock cannot provide a stadium large enough with large enough revenues for a club wanting to be a permanent member of the top 4, amongst other points. This has already been pointed out to you. It is quite simple. Keep up the Shakespeare fellas, I am a fan. Let it go John there is more than enough room to build a stadium at Brantley Moore, not even Everton could get this far down the line before someone realising it’s not big enough to fit a stadium in https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-would-football-stadium-look-12409487 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 So you could fit a 100,000 seater on that site but it's not big enough? rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Makis said: So you could fit a 100,000 seater on that site but it's not big enough? Only in John’s world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Only in John’s world Well you ruined that, didn't you?! I wanted John to answer the question. John...why aren't you able to answer questions? Genuine questions of interest by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 8 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Let it go John there is more than enough room to build a stadium at Brantley Moore, not even Everton could get this far down the line before someone realising it’s not big enough to fit a stadium in https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-would-football-stadium-look-12409487 Well this can't be right. It shows that a 150,000 capacity stadium comfortably fits on the site, yet our John said it's not big enough for a 60k stadium? Bloody red echo, getting our hopes up. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Burns Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 8 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Everton could get this far down the line before someone realising it’s not big enough to fit a stadium in https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-would-football-stadium-look-12409487 The Echo? Wow! Also from Jan 2017. Since then it has transpired a stadium not fit for purpose can only be built on the dock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 I think you could go a lot bigger than 100,000 seater in the space where the dock is but why would we need to? I think if we did that it would upset the rest of the argument by John Burns or anyone else who wants to build a warehouse on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, John Burns said: The Echo? Wow! Also from Jan 2017. Since then it has transpired a stadium not fit for purpose can only be built on the dock. John I need proof of that statement before I give it thinking space Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Burns Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 The club statement read: “Everton Stadium Development Limited (a wholly-owned subsidiary of Everton Football Club) and Peel Land and Property (Ports) Limited have formally signed an agreement for the Club to lease land at Bramley Moore Dock, Liverpool Waters." “The lease, which is conditional upon gaining planning consent for the proposed new stadium and securing funding for its construction, will run for a period of 200 years at a peppercorn rent.” A agreement. Nothing binding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Just now, John Burns said: The club statement read: “Everton Stadium Development Limited (a wholly-owned subsidiary of Everton Football Club) and Peel Land and Property (Ports) Limited have formally signed an agreement for the Club to lease land at Bramley Moore Dock, Liverpool Waters." “The lease, which is conditional upon gaining planning consent for the proposed new stadium and securing funding for its construction, will run for a period of 200 years at a peppercorn rent.” A agreement. Nothing binding. Depends on what time of agreement mate, could very well be binding, could very well be binding with termination fees. Question: What's your favorite railroad in the UK? I was thinking of taking the Caledonian Sleeper to Scotland if I ever visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Burns Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, rubecula said: I think you could go a lot bigger than 100,000 You speculate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Burns Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: Depends on what time of agreement mate Not a binding agreement. An agreement is not a contract. Try BR timetables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, John Burns said: The Echo? Wow! Also from Jan 2017. Since then it has transpired a stadium not fit for purpose can only be built on the dock. 5 minutes ago, rubecula said: John I need proof of that statement before I give it thinking space 3 minutes ago, John Burns said: You speculate. I speculate that you have no answer really. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 22 hours ago, John Burns said: The club have not bought anything. They have released no stadium design, not applied for planning permission or secured a financial arrangement. If you can give details of movement of the above 4 points please let me know. StevO gave you the evidence. 17 minutes ago, John Burns said: Since then it has transpired a stadium not fit for purpose can only be built on the dock. Where is your evidence for that? If you can give details of movement please let me know. Matt and rubecula 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Burns Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 The project has stalled. Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, MikeO said: StevO gave you the evidence. Where is your evidence for that? If you can give details of movement please let me know. to be fair to mr Burns he can not answer a straight question as he would hate to be proved wrong and be forced into admitting it live n here/ I think that if we left him alone it would break his little red heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, John Burns said: The project has stalled. Fact. Thanks for clarifying, now we know it must be true. Your sources are impeccable. duncanmckenzieismagic, Matt, plaidharper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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