markjazzbassist Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 First home game a win is the only result we should accept. Gonna be tough in the midfield with Morgan out and Delph/Gomes working to get healthy. If they aren’t fit it will be Davies I imagine, Marco loves the 433. Here’s what I think we will see Pickford coleman keane Mina digne Gomes/Delph/Davies Gbamin Richarlison gylfi Bernard DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Id like Gylfi next to Gomes with Gbamin in between. We need Gylfi on the ball more - he was definitely rusty against palace when he’s involved it’s generally quality. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Gbamin Gomes Gylfi Richarlison Bernard DCL that for me please. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 I’d like to kean to start. We know what we are going to get from DCL. Let him off the leash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Btay said: Id like Gylfi next to Gomes with Gbamin in between. We need Gylfi on the ball more - he was definitely rusty against palace when he’s involved it’s generally quality. I agree with this. Not a massive fan of what I have seen from Siggy deeper, at least defensively, but he is undoubtedly a quality player and the more he is on the ball the better. Looking at the Palace game Siggy had 37 touches in the 72ish minutes he was on the pitch. Gomes had 42 in about 40 minutes. The problem is that we aren't Man City and we don't have 60%+ possession every game (albeit we did against Palace) and therefore we don't necessarily always have the luxury of doing that with someone who isn't exactly mobile. Weirdly just looking at the pitch map for the average position and Siggy was further forward than DCL. Problem number 1 right there. DCL should be the one stretching the game and Siggy should be finding the spaces between the lines. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Bailey said: I agree with this. Not a massive fan of what I have seen from Siggy deeper, at least defensively, but he is undoubtedly a quality player and the more he is on the ball the better. Looking at the Palace game Siggy had 37 touches in the 72ish minutes he was on the pitch. Gomes had 42 in about 40 minutes. The problem is that we aren't Man City and we don't have 60%+ possession every game (albeit we did against Palace) and therefore we don't necessarily always have the luxury of doing that with someone who isn't exactly mobile. Weirdly just looking at the pitch map for the average position and Siggy was further forward than DCL. Problem number 1 right there. DCL should be the one stretching the game and Siggy should be finding the spaces between the lines. Gylfi doesn’t need to be a good tackler to defend though. His best attribute after his shooting (weekend aside) is his work rate. If he is a little further back he’ll guide people into those who can tackle just by pestering them or force people to reconsider their options and play it back. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Matt said: Gylfi doesn’t need to be a good tackler to defend though. His best attribute after his shooting (weekend aside) is his work rate. If he is a little further back he’ll guide people into those who can tackle just by pestering them or force people to reconsider their options and play it back. I agree, again look at City they have De Bruyne and the Silva's doing the same thing but it's more his mobility and then his attitude to defending. The latter I think is fine albeit he will get it wrong (ie wrong side of the man, diving in, not tracking a man) but if he is beaten he is completely out of the game. Gomes is similar too and therefore you need a bloody good DM to sort out the problems. If that's Schneiderlin then you have 3 statues. Then again, it was those 3 at the weekend and they did a very good job in stopping Palace do pretty much anything in the game. When you play a better side thats when you will see the problem more. Gbamin at least looks more mobile, as is Delph. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Bailey said: I agree, again look at City they have De Bruyne and the Silva's doing the same thing but it's more his mobility and then his attitude to defending. The latter I think is fine albeit he will get it wrong (ie wrong side of the man, diving in, not tracking a man) but if he is beaten he is completely out of the game. Gomes is similar too and therefore you need a bloody good DM to sort out the problems. If that's Schneiderlin then you have 3 statues. Then again, it was those 3 at the weekend and they did a very good job in stopping Palace do pretty much anything in the game. When you play a better side thats when you will see the problem more. Gbamin at least looks more mobile, as is Delph. I really don’t get the mobility criticism. He’s not quick off the mark but he reads play well so would be in position. He’s also not slow! London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt said: I really don’t get the mobility criticism. He’s not quick off the mark but he reads play well so would be in position. He’s also not slow! In his position you need a quick brain and quick feet, he has both. He had a poor game against Palace, but hi was consistently one of our best players last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Matt said: I really don’t get the mobility criticism. He’s not quick off the mark but he reads play well so would be in position. He’s also not slow! I understand in relation to when he was played on the wing. Generally the technical/silky players shy away from the physical stuff - Gylfi gets in and scraps which is why I’d have no issue him deeper. I think with Gbamin between him and Gomes we could really lock up the centre and allow the wingers to stay a bit further up. For all DCL’s lack of goals - he can look after the and bring others into it - Kean looks the same but more so with the ball to feet. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Matt said: I really don’t get the mobility criticism. He’s not quick off the mark but he reads play well so would be in position. He’s also not slow! You see it with Gomes quite a lot. Someone like Gana is hard to get past because even you are half way past him he still has the mobility to get back at you. If you get past Gomes and more so Siggy you are through and attacking the heart of the defence. Then you need to add in the prospect of both attacking and defending counter attacks. When I said previously he will be fine if we control the ball that's because he will be predominantly be playing in their half in controlled possession where he isn't running the length of the pitch or exposed on his own where an opposition player can just take it round him. It happens too, seen it when he plays for us on the odd occasion deeper and for Iceland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Matt said: I really don’t get the mobility criticism. He’s not quick off the mark but he reads play well so would be in position. He’s also not slow! One of the greatest defenders of all time, Paulo Maldini is quoted as saying "If I have to make the tackle, I have already made the mistake". He made a career at the top of the game for sniffing out chances and stopping moves before they happened, reading the game and being one step ahead. Sergio Busquets, arguably one of the best holding midfielders of the decade isn't the fastest but constantly gets himself in the right place at the right time to protect the back four. Being a good defensive player isn't about running fast and last ditch tackles as by doing so there has obviously been an issue that's allowed players to run in behind. I'd take tortoises all day at Everton if they could be in the right place at the right time. Speed doesn't come into it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Zoo 2.0 said: One of the greatest defenders of all time, Paulo Maldini is quoted as saying "If I have to make the tackle, I have already made the mistake". He made a career at the top of the game for sniffing out chances and stopping moves before they happened, reading the game and being one step ahead. Sergio Busquets, arguably one of the best holding midfielders of the decade isn't the fastest but constantly gets himself in the right place at the right time to protect the back four. Being a good defensive player isn't about running fast and last ditch tackles as by doing so there has obviously been an issue that's allowed players to run in behind. I'd take tortoises all day at Everton if they could be in the right place at the right time. Speed doesn't come into it for me. I had Barry in mind to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 It depends on tactics. If you want your defensive midfielder to close the gap left by marauding fullback as quickly as possible, he needs to be pacy. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said: One of the greatest defenders of all time, Paulo Maldini is quoted as saying "If I have to make the tackle, I have already made the mistake". He made a career at the top of the game for sniffing out chances and stopping moves before they happened, reading the game and being one step ahead. Sergio Busquets, arguably one of the best holding midfielders of the decade isn't the fastest but constantly gets himself in the right place at the right time to protect the back four. Being a good defensive player isn't about running fast and last ditch tackles as by doing so there has obviously been an issue that's allowed players to run in behind. I'd take tortoises all day at Everton if they could be in the right place at the right time. Speed doesn't come into it for me. There is a massive amount of difference between the quality of players you have mentioned, not to mention different leagues and different positions. You can deal with a lack of pace at CB especially in Italy, you can deal with a lack of pace when playing as a DM especially when the team you play for sees a lot of the ball. You try and play Pirlo or Busquets box to box or Maldini in a high press, average possession team and then see how good they look. They won't suddenly become crap players but they will show their physical limitations far more regularly. On the whole though I would agree with you. I would rather have smart players over quick or strong ones but if you want to see the best from those smart players you need to build a team around them that will cover for their limitations. That is the only reason I can think of as to why Siggurdson isn't a central midfielder. Deacs and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 You need your workers and battlers and you also need your cultured play makers, and you very rarely find players now who possess it all, I would say the last player we had who had everything in his armoury was Arteta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 If anyone know of any lqds running Iptv at the minute which is reliable can you inbox me before this gamme please? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Delph deffo out tommorow Romey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Gomes a doubt aswell. Marco said that it’s JPG and Morgan competing for the one position so if Gomes isn’t fit with Delph does that mean a change of formation or does gilfi drop into Gomes position? Gilfi JCP charly. Bernard Iwobi Kean or is it Gilfi JPG Bernard Charly Kean Iwobi fucking wellbeck could start tommorow aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Well, since Morgan will be banned for a game, competition isn’t really the word wasn’t Welbeck reported to have a long term ankle injury just the other day?! i do like the second lineup though Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Finn balor said: Delph deffo out tommorow Romey Colour me surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49357585 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, MikeO said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49357585 Not going to lie, I feel a sense of rivalry with them too after the last couple of years. They've moved up in my "book" of teams I don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 I want a win COYB first game I’ll be able to watch I’m so excited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sibdane said: Not going to lie, I feel a sense of rivalry with them too after the last couple of years. They've moved up in my "book" of teams I don't like. I'm sure we are becoming a big rival to them. But then again between the hammer and the nail,.only the nail sees it as a rivalry. Channeling my inner Ted Lasso and saying we win by a field goal, 4-1. Siggy, Richy, Siggy, Kean and Gerry for them. London Blue, Sibdane and nutmegwolf203 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: I want a win COYB first game I’ll be able to watch I’m so excited Lucky git. I’m stuck in the office again tomorrow but with any luck not working this Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Ghoat said: I'm sure we are becoming a big rival to them. But then again between the hammer and the nail,.only the nail sees it as a rivalry. Channeling my inner Ted Lasso and saying we win by a field goal, 4-1. Siggy, Richy, Siggy, Kean and Gerry for them. First time I've heard that. I'm saving it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Finn balor said: Gomes a doubt aswell. Marco said that it’s JPG and Morgan competing for the one position so if Gomes isn’t fit with Delph does that mean a change of formation or does gilfi drop into Gomes position? Gilfi JCP charly. Bernard Iwobi Kean or is it Gilfi JPG Bernard Charly Kean Iwobi fucking wellbeck could start tommorow aswell. I'd expect Davies and JPG to sit. Siggy might play as a 3 as well but I expect it will play in his normal position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Bailey said: I'd expect Davies and JPG to sit. Siggy might play as a 3 as well but I expect it will play in his normal position. My thoughts exactly. It will be Davies, Gbamin, and Gylfi, unless Gomes is fit, which I highly doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Pickford Coleman Keane Mina Digne Gbamin Richarlison Davies Gomes Iwobi DCL If we're looking at blooding Gbamin in I'd pack the midfield to help give him more options and minimise the risk of him getting caught out. If he looks comfortable then bring Kean on second half to switch it up a gear. Matt and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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