Sean Dyche

[Hafnia]

32 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Pretty sure you know the point I was making and ironically they are probably two of the few who do fight for the shirt

If you want me to list the players I believe aren't arsed....  Onana, Doucoure.  Can't think of anyone else - I just think the overwhelming feeling is that as a group they look like they have no belief in what they are being asked to do. 

[Palfy]

2 hours ago, Newty82 said:

But my point would be we haven't played hoof ball all season. The first few months of the season we were far from hoof ball.

Or ar least, when we did, it was with a purpose.

Recently we have reverted back to mindless hoof ball. And it's been shit. Which makes his recent statement about going back to long ball vs Burnley a bit laughable.

I don't think you need to lower your expectations or beliefs. I'd love to see us playing better football too.

Let me ask...which managers in recent years have you been happy with and why?

Martinez because we played some of the best possession football I’ve seen as an Everton supporter, and Ancelotti he showed us again how to play football when others before him and after him couldn’t. 
Besides Dyche who have you been happy with and why? 

[patto]

2 hours ago, MikeO said:

One incident with one player, whatever you believe the seriousness of it to be, doesn't define the whole trip though does it?

It’s 1 incident on 1 player but in front of the whole team so it affects the whole team. 
so for me it’s a sackable offence 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Fuck me there is a

6 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Martinez because we played some of the best possession football I’ve seen as an Everton supporter, and Ancelotti he showed us again how to play football when others before him and after him couldn’t. 
Besides Dyche who have you been happy with and why? 

Fair enough it’s all about opinions but IMHO that first season under Martinez was superb , but once he destroyed the defensive solidity Moyes built it was probably the most tedious football I've ever seen in my life

[Palfy]

30 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Fuck me there is a

Fair enough it’s all about opinions but IMHO that first season under Martinez was superb , but once he destroyed the defensive solidity Moyes built it was probably the most tedious football I've ever seen in my life

We finished 12th in his last season and he got sacked due to just 1 win in his last 10 games, which is fair enough that’s acceptable most managers should expect to get the sack with that run of results, as Dyche should have with no wins in 13. 
You’re right he did allow the defence to become unreliable and couldn’t seem to correct it, for me we still played good football going forward and still weighed in with plenty of goals, but if we scored 2 he didn’t shut the game down and we would concede 3. 
I always felt that he needed to get himself a really good defensive coach to sort the defensive frailties out. 

[Btay]

3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

If you want me to list the players I believe aren't arsed....  Onana, Doucoure.  Can't think of anyone else - I just think the overwhelming feeling is that as a group they look like they have no belief in what they are being asked to do. 

Doucoure definitely cares mate. I'm not a fan of him as a footballer technically speaking but I won't fault his hear or effort.

Onana is a tough one, he has moments or glimpses where he can run the midfield on his own but then puts in a tedious job back on a counter. I'll give him benefit of the doubt but I definitely want to see more from him, as we know he can do it but it will only increase his price when he undoubtedly leaves.

[Sev]

12 hours ago, MikeO said:

What's the "Portugal sham"?

It's that famous rock band, isn't it? Well known for their hit "Hit me with you best shot".

[Sev]

8 hours ago, Palfy said:

Martinez because we played some of the best possession football I’ve seen as an Everton supporter, and Ancelotti he showed us again how to play football when others before him and after him couldn’t. 
Besides Dyche who have you been happy with and why? 

Oh please, Palfy. Martinez didn't do anything but continuing what Moyes had build up for his first season. And then what happened?

[patto]

9 minutes ago, Sev said:

Oh please, Palfy. Martinez didn't do anything but continuing what Moyes had build up for his first season. And then what happened?

He bought big Rom which was a master stroke. 
but his big mistake was Niass that was the beginning of the end and he came out and spoke loads of shite sound familiar 

[Hafnia]

Martinez first season was amazing.  We can debate about the defence being Moyes etc but I can't see how they suddenly become awful.  Overplaying it at the back maybe but yeah that first Martinez season was great 

[Hafnia]

7 hours ago, Btay said:

Doucoure definitely cares mate. I'm not a fan of him as a footballer technically speaking but I won't fault his hear or effort.

Onana is a tough one, he has moments or glimpses where he can run the midfield on his own but then puts in a tedious job back on a counter. I'll give him benefit of the doubt but I definitely want to see more from him, as we know he can do it but it will only increase his price when he undoubtedly leaves.

Onana pisses me off. He's one of a many long line of players with tons of talent who decides to do the bare minimum 

[Btay]

5 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Onana pisses me off. He's one of a many long line of players with tons of talent who decides to do the bare minimum 

I see it too mate don't worry. However, I also see the moments where he is the only player out there who looks like he wants to get on the ball & dictate the game for us. We need much more of the latter from him.

[Hafnia]

1 minute ago, Btay said:

I see it too mate don't worry. However, I also see the moments where he is the only player out there who looks like he wants to get on the ball & dictate the game for us. We need much more of the latter from him.

That's cos he can play, he just doesn't like doing the stuff that involves moving your legs.,

[Romey 1878]

18 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Martinez first season was amazing.  We can debate about the defence being Moyes etc but I can't see how they suddenly become awful.  Overplaying it at the back maybe but yeah that first Martinez season was great 

First season was amazing, you're right, I was so excited about where we could be going after it. The next two seasons were mind-numbing and the excitement disappeared.

For me, it wasn't even so much about the poor defending being the reason he had to go. The football in the first season was quick, direct, aggressive (that Arsenal game at Goodison where we blew them away displayed it perfectly) but, for whatever reason, he changed it to a slow, sterile nothingness. So we were shite defensively and offered very little attacking-wise as well.

Two people I know gave up their season tickets (which they'd had for probably 20 years) after his second season because they couldn't take it any more.

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

First season was amazing, you're right, I was so excited about where we could be going after it. The next two seasons were mind-numbing and the excitement disappeared.

For me, it wasn't even so much about the poor defending being the reason he had to go. The football in the first season was quick, direct, aggressive (that Arsenal game at Goodison where we blew them away displayed it perfectly) but, for whatever reason, he changed it to a slow, sterile nothingness. So we were shite defensively and offered very little attacking-wise as well.

Two people I know gave up their season tickets (which they'd had for probably 20 years) after his second season because they couldn't take it any more.

Yeah I'd go with that.  That first season was like 1984-1985 for me. Obviously not the same levels but relative to what we witnessed previously it was. 
 

 

[Palfy]

3 hours ago, Sev said:

Oh please, Palfy. Martinez didn't do anything but continuing what Moyes had build up for his first season. And then what happened?

Martinez out played teams like the likes of Arsenal, at Goodison we gave them a lesson in there own game beating them 4-0 I believe, they had never been so out played and humiliated like that for years, and there were many others that got the same treatment, but to say it was all Moyes is totally wrong, Martinez allowed the players in midfield and upfront to play were Moyes didn’t under him they were defenders before attackers, he would bring in some decent strikers, but they never shone under him because he never played too their strengths Martinez change that he played players too their strengths. The proof of that was Moyes teams lacked goals not the case with Martinez his teams revelled in goals. 
But I agree Martinez lost the balance at the end between attack and defence, which cost him his job which was a shame imo but holy justified, when you only win 1 in your last 10 you are gone, just can’t get my head around how Dyche’s not gone with only 1 win in 14 or none in 13, and playing absolutely shocking football as well, that just goes to prove that now the club lack any leadership from above. 

[MikeO]

13 hours ago, patto said:

It’s 1 incident on 1 player but in front of the whole team so it affects the whole team. 
so for me it’s a sackable offence 

Entitled to your opinion of course, but I still don't see how the whole trip becomes a sham.

If I went on holiday with my family and fell out with one of the kids over dinner one day, it wouldn't mean the whole thing was a write-off.

The rest of it still happened.

[patto]

2 hours ago, MikeO said:

Entitled to your opinion of course, but I still don't see how the whole trip becomes a sham.

If I went on holiday with my family and fell out with one of the kids over dinner one day, it wouldn't mean the whole thing was a write-off.

The rest of it still happened.

What if you hit 1 of them and everyone around seen and heard the slap would you still say the holiday was good ?

[Sev]

4 hours ago, Palfy said:

Martinez out played teams like the likes of Arsenal, at Goodison we gave them a lesson in there own game beating them 4-0 I believe, they had never been so out played and humiliated like that for years, and there were many others that got the same treatment, but to say it was all Moyes is totally wrong, Martinez allowed the players in midfield and upfront to play were Moyes didn’t under him they were defenders before attackers, he would bring in some decent strikers, but they never shone under him because he never played too their strengths Martinez change that he played players too their strengths. The proof of that was Moyes teams lacked goals not the case with Martinez his teams revelled in goals. 
But I agree Martinez lost the balance at the end between attack and defence, which cost him his job which was a shame imo but holy justified, when you only win 1 in your last 10 you are gone, just can’t get my head around how Dyche’s not gone with only 1 win in 14 or none in 13, and playing absolutely shocking football as well, that just goes to prove that now the club lack any leadership from above. 

I still believe Martinez was told/ordered to ride on the wave Moyes (who was struggling quite a lot at times during his period for us) had made, but were given "free hands" for his second season where it all went wrong.
I never saw Martinez as a particular good manager for us, but I do admit his first season was spectacular.
But those were indeed other times, Palfy. It's a very different story now where we're desperately trying to survive what Moshiri and an incompetent board has done to us. A lot of work is waiting.

[MikeO]

43 minutes ago, patto said:

What if you hit 1 of them and everyone around seen and heard the slap would you still say the holiday was good ?

I'm still waiting for one of these "everyone" people to actually come forward and corroborate that. Why has nobody done so do you think?

There's also the fact that a blow (hard or soft) to the back of the head actually makes very little noise, so in a public place with all the ambient noise going on the chances of the noise being heard are minimal. Have you ever seen a fight break out in a pub? You see it first or you hear shouting, you don't hear the noise of a slap. That just happens in bad movies.

If your story was that Patterson shouted, and that's what drew everyone's attention, it'd be more plausible.

[Palfy]

26 minutes ago, Sev said:

I still believe Martinez was told/ordered to ride on the wave Moyes (who was struggling quite a lot at times during his period for us) had made, but were given "free hands" for his second season where it all went wrong.
I never saw Martinez as a particular good manager for us, but I do admit his first season was spectacular.
But those were indeed other times, Palfy. It's a very different story now where we're desperately trying to survive what Moshiri and an incompetent board has done to us. A lot of work is waiting.

Your right they were different times and we may not have known it then but we would all rather be back there now instead of where we are now, but shit happens Sev and it’s how you deal with it that matters, and not just accepting it and letting it worse, and that’s what has been happening in my eyes particularly over the last 3 seasons. 
 

[patto]

36 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I'm still waiting for one of these "everyone" people to actually come forward and corroborate that. Why has nobody done so do you think?

There's also the fact that a blow (hard or soft) to the back of the head actually makes very little noise, so in a public place with all the ambient noise going on the chances of the noise being heard are minimal. Have you ever seen a fight break out in a pub? You see it first or you hear shouting, you don't hear the noise of a slap. That just happens in bad movies.

If your story was that Patterson shouted, and that's what drew everyone's attention, it'd be more plausible.

Why would anyone come forward and speak out surely they want to play 

Regarding the pub there's a massive difference to a restaurant noise wise 

There's things I haven't said and won't say about what happened and about Dyche don't forget it was Dyche who asked for that break we are on the bones of our arse and he wanted a holiday he s turned out a total knob 

When he s gone it might just come out 

I see Patterson hasn't had a sniff since it happened

[MikeO]

18 minutes ago, patto said:

Why would anyone come forward and speak out surely they want to play 

Talking about the other restaurant customers, what's their motivation for not talking about it?

[MikeO]

21 minutes ago, patto said:

Regarding the pub there's a massive difference to a restaurant noise wise

Point stands, you'd not hear a slap on the head if it was on the other side of a library.

[patto]

25 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Talking about the other restaurant customers, what's their motivation for not talking about it?

Well someone did but surely it would be exclusively for Everton there must have been at least 30 or more players and staff involved.

[patto]

27 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Point stands, you'd not hear a slap on the head if it was on the other side of a library.

The thing is it doesn't matter what I say 99% of the time you will question it or disagree with it for some unknown reason you do exactly the same with Haf 

[MikeO]

5 minutes ago, patto said:

Well someone did but surely it would be exclusively for Everton there must have been at least 30 or more players and staff involved.

Original report said it, "caused a stir among fellow restaurant diners" which would suggest non-club people were present.

So, in your view, "somebody" spoke to the Daily Mail, might've been a staff member or a member of the public, but the person chose not to be named or even directly quoted. 

You don't know who they are but your source says the noise caused was ear shattering, and he's been assured of this! He/she's told you more but you can't give details because you don't want to make it public information, in case there's repurcussions; but the information you've already divulged is OK, less repurcussive repurcussions as a consequence of that I guess.

[MikeO]

15 minutes ago, patto said:

The thing is it doesn't matter what I say 99% of the time you will question it or disagree with it for some unknown reason you do exactly the same with Haf 

Garbage. I'll question anyone if I have have questions or disagree with anyone if I disagree, 100% of the time, not 99%.

No preferential treatment at all.

[Sev]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Your right they were different times and we may not have known it then but we would all rather be back there now instead of where we are now, but shit happens Sev and it’s how you deal with it that matters, and not just accepting it and letting it worse, and that’s what has been happening in my eyes particularly over the last 3 seasons. 
 

Yes, agree on that, been a mess. And would just like to add that one of the major important factors is who or what will be the owner of the club. I'm not too hooked on those casino partners really.

[patto]

11 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Garbage. I'll question anyone if I have have questions or disagree with anyone if I disagree, 100% of the time, not 99%.

No preferential treatment at all.

I’ll be honest I couldn’t give a shit anyway.