Sean Dyche

[Hafnia]

3 hours ago, Matt said:

If my defenders were abysmal at defending set pieces with their shoelaces tied together, I'd still be angry but I'd understand why. The handicap of the clubs state of affairs over the last several years is still there.

Do you think Baines would rally the troops? He was always so quiet but he was also captain and highly thought of. Maybe him and Coleman, someone who can be the voice and kick them up the arse (metaphorically speaking of course )? But we can't pay Dyche off, else we would have already going on past experiences, so it's immaterial really. Doesn't make it any less frustrating or anger inducing.

Baines doesn't necessarily need to rally the troops, just actually give the team instructions and tactics that aren't rinse and repeat recipes for failure like dyche.

he doesn't have a clue how to change things, he stands there throwing his arms up in the air when his players aren't carrying out his master plan.

dyche looks and sounds like a man who knows his game is up. 
 

we don't need to pay him off, he just takes gardening leave. As far as I can see the players have had enough of him

 

[Btay]

Baines seems to have a very cool, relaxed demeanour which could be perfect for managment.

As much as I agree the players need to pick themselves up, Dyche needs to wake up quick smart. His team selections have caused a lot of our issues here however the squad is so thin, this is definitely not an easy situation to be in.

[Hafnia]

12 minutes ago, Matt said:

All good mate. Like I said, but maybe not clearly enough; I can't defend him anymore. I still believe the players are the biggest problem. After all, this run hasn't improved even with the enforced changes mixing the teams up a bit. But when you've got 16 seniors to chose from seriously (before injuries, suspensions and AFCON) mixing things up isn't really an option and the whole style (or complete lack thereof) is to avoid exposing the weakness of our players, like basic passing, basic shooting, basic tracking and running. They do it in the training videos, so how does Dyche transfer that concentration over the line? I don't think he can with everything taken into consideration and so he should go if we have a decent candidate. Hafs shout about Baines is a good call if we want to survive on blood and thunder. I wonder if we could tempt Carsley when thinking outside the media... But again, circumstances prevent us swapping staff.

Not being funny Matt you honestly seem the training videos and thought "good finish" - they are doing 1-2s against mannequins and the goalkeepers don't save shots that are pretty lame. They let them in. 

This is not training at all, it's absolutely farcical.  It's all pr, I've seen people rip the videos apart for the piss poor sessions that they are. 
 

I can't wait to see the back of him and his gang I really can't. Dwight McNeil ironically applauded Mike Jackson for giving him freedom and belief after dyche was sacked 

[StevO]

23 hours ago, Hafnia said:

 

we don't need to pay him off, he just takes gardening leave.

 

The same regardless. Pay off his contract or keep paying him until his contract ends. It’ll cost us the same. 

[Hafnia]

2 hours ago, StevO said:

The same regardless. Pay off his contract or keep paying him until his contract ends. It’ll cost us the same. 

Except it won't be in one hit and will be over 2 accounting periods. 

[Hafnia]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/people-want-truth-sean-dyche-29028888?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
 

well he's certainly lost the dressing room hasn't he. That interview confirms it. "You hate me, you want me gone but I know I'm not going cos no one can sack me so forget a new manager bounce".

His words would be absolutely spot on  if he hadn't left himself in such a position where the players are thinking "shut up you arrogant fkn prick, I can't stand you or your tactics or your bullying and finger pointing".

I repeat for the umpteenth time - the Portugal slap was the end for him. A captain taking his manager aside to actually get an apology is one thing, him smirking and making it about Patterson being a snowflake in a press conference essentially ripped up his apology and recreated a bigger gap between him and the squad. 
 

His complete lack of self reproach is evident, zero humility at all. 

 

[StevO]

20 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Except it won't be in one hit and will be over 2 accounting periods. 

It doesn’t matter, a pay off can be spread and often is. But we tend to gardening leave rather than pay off anyway, most clubs do. 

[Newty82]

7 hours ago, Hafnia said:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/people-want-truth-sean-dyche-29028888?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
 

well he's certainly lost the dressing room hasn't he. That interview confirms it. "You hate me, you want me gone but I know I'm not going cos no one can sack me so forget a new manager bounce".

His words would be absolutely spot on  if he hadn't left himself in such a position where the players are thinking "shut up you arrogant fkn prick, I can't stand you or your tactics or your bullying and finger pointing".

I repeat for the umpteenth time - the Portugal slap was the end for him. A captain taking his manager aside to actually get an apology is one thing, him smirking and making it about Patterson being a snowflake in a press conference essentially ripped up his apology and recreated a bigger gap between him and the squad. 
 

His complete lack of self reproach is evident, zero humility at all. 

 

I've not read it like that, tbh.

I've read that as him laying it on a plate for the players. Most years over the last 7 or so we end up with the same thing.

To me, he's saying he's fighting and they can too. But he's not going to get sacked because of them, like other managers have.

Now, for me, these words would carry more meaning if we hadn't been on a shit run...

However, I do agree there is an air of arrogance. Like...on one hand hes saying he's responsible etc etc, on the other he's on the players regards the past.

I'm a bit bored of hearing about the off field stuff (points, owners etc). I get it has an impact, but it's his job to get the results still...not then come back and say 'look how hard this is for me...'

It's still a results business and that long run wasn't acceptable.

Like I've said before, judgement day at the end of the season. For now, full support and limp over the line.

[Gwlad]

20 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Like I've said before, judgement day at the end of the season. For now, full support and limp over the line.

Exactly.

[Hafnia]

6 hours ago, Newty82 said:

I've not read it like that, tbh.

I've read that as him laying it on a plate for the players. Most years over the last 7 or so we end up with the same thing.

To me, he's saying he's fighting and they can too. But he's not going to get sacked because of them, like other managers have.

Now, for me, these words would carry more meaning if we hadn't been on a shit run...

However, I do agree there is an air of arrogance. Like...on one hand hes saying he's responsible etc etc, on the other he's on the players regards the past.

I'm a bit bored of hearing about the off field stuff (points, owners etc). I get it has an impact, but it's his job to get the results still...not then come back and say 'look how hard this is for me...'

It's still a results business and that long run wasn't acceptable.

Like I've said before, judgement day at the end of the season. For now, full support and limp over the line.

They get full support. Like always....when I go the game I support the team irrespective of what I think of manager or players. When I don't go the game my attention is on the team as much as it can be.

fact is - dyche is turning the focus on the players when in all honesty I think how he sets us up and selects players and makes subs is the most detrimental to us.

he had us committing forward vs pacey Chelsea away vs sitting back at home to Burnley. It was like Lampard vs spurs over a year ago - like complete and uttter lunacy. 

he is throwing his toys out the pram, this is the last throw of the dice to get a reaction and doesn't often go well at all.  To say to the players "you got previous managers sacked but I'm going nowhere" which is pretty much how I read it is some fighting talk.  
 

For me he can only be talking to Pickford, dcl, tarks, doucs, mykolenko and Onana, and if that lot Onana and doucoure are the 2 who fit that bill.  No doubt in my mind Onana needs hauling over the coals along with Doucoure to a small degree.  
 

None the less I feel he is carrying scar tissue from his Burnley sacking where the players stopped listening to him. 

[AlbanyNYToffee]

What was up with the switch from formal suit to training gear for Dyche yesterday?

[Hafnia]

25 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

What was up with the switch from formal suit to training gear for Dyche yesterday?

Probably reading my post about him being rigid up to the fact he wears white shirts.  He's been reading matts too 

[dunlopp9987]

Amorim from Sporting flew to London to meet with west ham representatives. Christ alive if west ham can get someone like him, we really have fallen desperately behind. 

If Dyche is given the boot in the summer (which, if we stay up, I don't believe he will), I have no clue who we'd bring in to replace.

[Romey 1878]

57 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Amorim from Sporting flew to London to meet with west ham representatives. Christ alive if west ham can get someone like him, we really have fallen desperately behind. 

If Dyche is given the boot in the summer (which, if we stay up, I don't believe he will), I have no clue who we'd bring in to replace.

Apparently that’s as far as it’ll go, just talks. 

[patto]

A victory tonight could save Dyche’s Everton career but I still want us to win. 

[Newty82]

Listen, fairs fair.

This thread gets red hot when we lose.

It's been, rightly, roasting at times.

That's now 3 wins in 4 with 3 clean sheets.

As said previously, let's limp over the line and judge it at the end of the season. Although, we should be safe now.

But...fair play to Dyche. Considering he's lost the changing room, the players don't want to play for him and all that...

[Matt]

It's been a fucking ride but with 4 games remaining, that's progress right? Keeping in mind we should be tied with Palace (same W/D/L and GD) in 14th and sitting comfortably.

[Cornish Steve]

Best manager in the league right now!

[Newty82]

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

It's been a fucking ride but with 4 games remaining, that's progress right? Keeping in mind we should be tied with Palace (same W/D/L and GD) in 14th and sitting comfortably.

Most of us wanted a season of simply not worrying about relegation. With 10th being awesome and 12 - 14th more realistic.

See how many points we get and then add on the deductions for a fair appraisal.

[Cornish Steve]

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

It's been a fucking ride but with 4 games remaining, that's progress right? Keeping in mind we should be tied with Palace (same W/D/L and GD) in 14th and sitting comfortably.

Given whom we play in our remaining games, there's a realistic chance that, without the points deduction, we finish in the top half of the Premier League table. When did that last happen?

[Gwlad]

26 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

But...fair play to Dyche. Considering he's lost the changing room, the players don't want to play for him and all that...

Bollocks.

[Matt]

30 minutes ago, Matt said:

It's been a fucking ride but with 4 games remaining, that's progress right? Keeping in mind we should be tied with Palace (same W/D/L and GD) in 14th and sitting comfortably.

Correction, we should be on 41 points, I forgot about the 2nd charge

 

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, Newty82 said:

Listen, fairs fair.

This thread gets red hot when we lose.

It's been, rightly, roasting at times.

That's now 3 wins in 4 with 3 clean sheets.

As said previously, let's limp over the line and judge it at the end of the season. Although, we should be safe now.

But...fair play to Dyche. Considering he's lost the changing room, the players don't want to play for him and all that...

Fairs fair.... we had near 4 months of dross. The forum got red hot when people were looking at extending his contract.... let's not pretend it's been a knee jerk reaction. We've had a good week. 

im not convinced - these players as i have said repeatedly can deliver more.  He said home truths were delivered on both sides - I certainly think this was the case. 
 

but - his expectation is to deliver survival and that was the highlight of an otherwise dreary season. 

[RuffRob]

1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said:

Best manager in the league right now!

some might say he's a Messiah .

what will be interesting is hopefully we see the team play 2 or 3 games without having the pressure of the world on the teams shoulders. Given we had poor results at the start of the season, then the points deductions x 2, I feel there's been a consent weight around the place holding the teams confidence back.

They do appear to be bouncing back again for this run in and Dyche does deserve some credit for his part in that.

There are potentially a realistic 6-9 more points up for grabs, lets see how these final few games pan out.

 

 

 

[StevO]

Just earned himself a crack at next season for me. 

[Romey 1878]

1 minute ago, StevO said:

Just earned himself a crack at next season for me. 

Just think what he could achieve if the players pick up their tools again.

[Btay]

Football is a results business, after the Chelsea game I was more than concerned that we were on a downward spiral. I never expected us to win the next 2, especially with the dreaded home derby as one of those games.

4 games left for the season, let’s build now & go on a run that instills hope for the next season. (The only loss I am somewhat okay with is against Arsenal if its costs Liverpool the title).

Proud of them all today & hope we see more results like this.

[dunlopp9987]

The ginger Guardiola has done it again!!

[StatesideToffee14]

5 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Given whom we play in our remaining games, there's a realistic chance that, without the points deduction, we finish in the top half of the Premier League table. When did that last happen?

2020-21 we finished 10th. I remember that season because we still had Ancelotti as manager and we still had an outside shot at a Europa League Conference Playoff round spot heading into the final day. Ended up getting thrashed 5:0 at the Etihad. 

2018-19 we finished 8th. 

[AnotherYank]

Tracksuit Dyche is Manager of the Year.  Burn his ties!