Sean Dyche

[Gwlad]

1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Talking about the other restaurant customers, what's their motivation for not talking about it?

Indeed, surely someone would have squawked to the Currant for cash?

[MikeO]

5 minutes ago, patto said:

I’ll be honest I couldn’t give a shit anyway. 

Well that's me well and truly put in my place

 

[Palfy]

9 minutes ago, Sev said:

Yes, agree on that, been a mess. And would just like to add that one of the major important factors is who or what will be the owner of the club. I'm not too hooked on those casino partners really.

To be honest Sev anyone would be an improvement on Moshiri. 

[Palfy]

9 minutes ago, Gwlad said:

Indeed, surely someone would have squawked to the Currant for cash?

Not necessarily if they were all Portuguese and never had a clue who the ginger twat and his mates were, and they may have thought Gomes was a waiter if he tried to calm it down as well

[patto]

2 hours ago, Gwlad said:

Indeed, surely someone would have squawked to the Currant for cash?

And you both know that there was other diners there don’t you

[Newty82]

22 hours ago, Palfy said:

Martinez because we played some of the best possession football I’ve seen as an Everton supporter, and Ancelotti he showed us again how to play football when others before him and after him couldn’t. 
Besides Dyche who have you been happy with and why? 

That's kinda my point...we've not been happy with hardly any!

Ancelotti, in my opinion, got away with his name. But so often we were dull as fuck to watch. However, I think if he'd stayed, with the funds we had then, different story a season later.

I think we sacked Silva too early. I liked him. But, again, we shit the bed and fans were calling for his head as soon as results didn't go our way.

Same happened with Koeman.

Allardyce and Benitez shouldn't have been near the club.

Dyche, while far from perfect, deserves more credit than what he's sometimes being given.

[MikeO]

1 hour ago, patto said:

And you both know that there was other diners there don’t you

Speaking just for myself obviously; don't know that at all, have never once claimed to know anything, just quoting what the original report said and comparing that to your version of events. They don't add up.

 

[patto]

9 hours ago, Newty82 said:

That's kinda my point...we've not been happy with hardly any!

Ancelotti, in my opinion, got away with his name. But so often we were dull as fuck to watch. However, I think if he'd stayed, with the funds we had then, different story a season later.

I think we sacked Silva too early. I liked him. But, again, we shit the bed and fans were calling for his head as soon as results didn't go our way.

Same happened with Koeman.

Allardyce and Benitez shouldn't have been near the club.

Dyche, while far from perfect, deserves more credit than what he's sometimes being given.

For me Koeman was a bigger disaster than Benitez and Dyche he wasted so much money on bad players. 
and apparently he was going playing golf when the team was training he took us for a ride big time. 

[Palfy]

9 hours ago, Newty82 said:

That's kinda my point...we've not been happy with hardly any!

Ancelotti, in my opinion, got away with his name. But so often we were dull as fuck to watch. However, I think if he'd stayed, with the funds we had then, different story a season later.

I think we sacked Silva too early. I liked him. But, again, we shit the bed and fans were calling for his head as soon as results didn't go our way.

Same happened with Koeman.

Allardyce and Benitez shouldn't have been near the club.

Dyche, while far from perfect, deserves more credit than what he's sometimes being given.

You say Allardyce should have been nowhere near the club, yet he came in to rescue a season that was in free fall and ended up getting us too 8th. 
Now from looking back through old posts only one person backed what he had done and that was PeteO, nearly everyone else including myself hated his style of football, then a few moaned about him throwing people under the bus in interviews after a game. 
For me the football is getting worse as the weeks go on under Dyche, and all this long ball stuff is disgusting and not what I want to see from any Everton team, and then for the manager to come out with the statement he did was cringe worthy, that the only tactic that he could come up with to beat Burnley, was to kick it long from the keeper and try to get a dirty win, if that was against City or Liverpool I may have given him the benefit of the doubt, but if he thinks that’s only way available to beat Burnley then we are fucked. 
And for me that alone makes him the worst manager we ever had at this club, talk the talk as much as he likes, but it’s blatantly obvious clear or should be that he’s in capable of walking the walk, he’s a absolute shit stain on this club. 

[Wiggytop]

Two points from me on Saturday.

1 we needed the win, achieved any way we could, it was ugly, a boring first 45, we got it. Job Done

2 Dyche post match remarks, sarcasm by any chance?

[Palfy]

9 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

Two points from me on Saturday.

1 we needed the win, achieved any way we could, it was ugly, a boring first 45, we got it. Job Done

2 Dyche post match remarks, sarcasm by any chance?

No not sarcasm, if he didn’t intend to play that way he would have gotten the message out to Pickford after 10 to cut the hoofing it up the field out, or it half time he would have cancelled it, but oh know he was elated by how well we were playing he asked for even more. 

[Hafnia]

There's not much difference between allardyce and dyche tbh.  Can't stand either of them.  Multi millionaires by playing football in a way that is almost unwatchable yet they gaslight fans with utter bullshit. 
 

hopefully we survive, hopefully we get good owners,  hopefully we get a manager who can get more from the players and use the money from Onana etc to get the club back on its feet 

[patto]

27 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

There's not much difference between allardyce and dyche tbh.  Can't stand either of them.  Multi millionaires by playing football in a way that is almost unwatchable yet they gaslight fans with utter bullshit. 
 

hopefully we survive, hopefully we get good owners,  hopefully we get a manager who can get more from the players and use the money from Onana etc to get the club back on its feet 

Quite a few hopefully’s but that’s all we have unfortunately next season regardless of which league we are in it’s all about incomings and we need to get it right a massive responsibility on Thelwell and our scouts. 
we know Jarrad & Onana will be leaving so I’m presuming we already have our targets. 

[Hafnia]

5 hours ago, patto said:

Quite a few hopefully’s but that’s all we have unfortunately next season regardless of which league we are in it’s all about incomings and we need to get it right a massive responsibility on Thelwell and our scouts. 
we know Jarrad & Onana will be leaving so I’m presuming we already have our targets. 

Hopefully branthwaite is left alone , I'd sell Pickford before him. 

[Palfy]

13 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Hopefully branthwaite is left alone , I'd sell Pickford before him. 

50/50 for me mate I’m hoping we keep them both, Onana can definitely go if we can get 50 million plus. 
It’s a shite situation when we are having to sell players and can’t use the money to reinvest in the squad but use it to pay debts. 
It won’t be to long before we start having to play the under 21s to make the 1st team numbers up. 

[patto]

54 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Hopefully branthwaite is left alone , I'd sell Pickford before him. 

Branthwaite wont be here next season. 

[Newty82]

14 hours ago, Palfy said:

You say Allardyce should have been nowhere near the club, yet he came in to rescue a season that was in free fall and ended up getting us too 8th. 
Now from looking back through old posts only one person backed what he had done and that was PeteO, nearly everyone else including myself hated his style of football, then a few moaned about him throwing people under the bus in interviews after a game. 
For me the football is getting worse as the weeks go on under Dyche, and all this long ball stuff is disgusting and not what I want to see from any Everton team, and then for the manager to come out with the statement he did was cringe worthy, that the only tactic that he could come up with to beat Burnley, was to kick it long from the keeper and try to get a dirty win, if that was against City or Liverpool I may have given him the benefit of the doubt, but if he thinks that’s only way available to beat Burnley then we are fucked. 
And for me that alone makes him the worst manager we ever had at this club, talk the talk as much as he likes, but it’s blatantly obvious clear or should be that he’s in capable of walking the walk, he’s a absolute shit stain on this club. 

He did indeed do that. But it's the culture he brought with him. The arrogance. Him, Koeman and Benitez of the same ilk in my opinion.

I agree in sorts with what you say there about Dyche. Until the last paragraph. Then I don't agree and feel that sort if criticism is too far for the job he's done so far.

I'm going to see how we fair in the last 6 games before finally deciding where I am with him. I'm a bit 50/50 now as I'm not happy with how long the run lasted and some things said recently, how we've gone about things etc.

[Gwlad]

5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Hopefully branthwaite is left alone , I'd sell Pickford before him. 

Who would you replace Pickford with? 

[MikeO]

1 hour ago, Newty82 said:

He did indeed do that. But it's the culture he brought with him. The arrogance.

Was a hugely embarrassing, verging on shameful, time for the club. I'd honestly have felt prouder to be an Evertonian in the Championship rather than have him at the club; as a Blue you get used to taking a bit of verbal, most of it you roll with because you know you have 150 of history and dignity that few clubs can match to fall back on.

For six months we lost that completely for me. Horrible time and a horrible man.

[Hafnia]

36 minutes ago, Gwlad said:

Who would you replace Pickford with? 

Tough to say really but Virginia looks to have ability, it's a case of sell high and buy cheap. Pickford must be £70m plus. Without being an expert on the goalie market I'd like to think we could pick up a very capable stand in for a quarter of his sale price. 
 

it really is all about getting the moneys to strengthen in areas where we are desperate. 

 

[Btay]

7 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Tough to say really but Virginia looks to have ability, it's a case of sell high and buy cheap. Pickford must be £70m plus. Without being an expert on the goalie market I'd like to think we could pick up a very capable stand in for a quarter of his sale price. 
 

it really is all about getting the moneys to strengthen in areas where we are desperate. 

 

I rate Pickford but I would be shocked if a team was to pay £70 million for a keeper, especially a premier league team with this new found focus on FFP.

I agree Virginia looks to have potential but throwing him in to a bottom half team would be a massive risk.

Alex Meret of Napoli is somewhat rated & his contract expires this year.

Ideally I would keep Pickford but this is the business model thrown upon us now. I would sell Onana or Pickford, in that order before Branthwaite though.

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, Btay said:

I rate Pickford but I would be shocked if a team was to pay £70 million for a keeper, especially a premier league team with this new found focus on FFP.

I agree Virginia looks to have potential but throwing him in to a bottom half team would be a massive risk.

Alex Meret of Napoli is somewhat rated & his contract expires this year.

Ideally I would keep Pickford but this is the business model thrown upon us now. I would sell Onana or Pickford, in that order before Branthwaite though.

Thats how I'm thinking. I watch us and literally think "we would concede 20-30 goals more a season without Branthwaite"

thats no exaggeration. Yeah we could replace him for £10m but I can't see anyone out there who has his reliability. Unbelievable talent. 
 

if branthwaite goes for less than £100m I'll be pissed off. £90m is the absolute minimum but £100m is about right. 

[Palfy]

1 hour ago, Btay said:

I rate Pickford but I would be shocked if a team was to pay £70 million for a keeper, especially a premier league team with this new found focus on FFP.

I agree Virginia looks to have potential but throwing him in to a bottom half team would be a massive risk.

Alex Meret of Napoli is somewhat rated & his contract expires this year.

Ideally I would keep Pickford but this is the business model thrown upon us now. I would sell Onana or Pickford, in that order before Branthwaite though.

I agree, we would get no more near 70 million for Pickford we would get 30-40 max. 
Pickford must save us at least 15-20 points a season, without trying too sound to dramatic if we lose him we stand a very good chance of getting relegated next season, people shouldn’t underestimate what he gives, he saved us last season and he will save us this season. 

[Romey 1878]

Look, we have to face reality that if our financial situation dictates it it won't be Pickford we sell because the fee won't be big enough.

It will be for Onana and/or Branthwaite.

I'd rather it just be Onana we sell because I think he's quite easily replaced for what he currently brings to the team, but we paid quite a big fee for him in the first place and his previous club reportedly have quite a big sell on clause, so that all dilutes how much we will actually benefit from his sale.

On the other hand, it may have to be Branthwaite as well because on the books his sale would be massive for us because he cost very little. Carlisle probably have a sell on clause too but it'll be smaller in his case as well.

It's all shit but we need to be realistic.

[Hafnia]

31 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Look, we have to face reality that if our financial situation dictates it it won't be Pickford we sell because the fee won't be big enough.

It will be for Onana and/or Branthwaite.

I'd rather it just be Onana we sell because I think he's quite easily replaced for what he currently brings to the team, but we paid quite a big fee for him in the first place and his previous club reportedly have quite a big sell on clause, so that all dilutes how much we will actually benefit from his sale.

On the other hand, it may have to be Branthwaite as well because on the books his sale would be massive for us because he cost very little. Carlisle probably have a sell on clause too but it'll be smaller in his case as well.

It's all shit but we need to be realistic.

Quite easy to replace Onana, we've got a tremendous track record of signing overhyped lazy fuckers who don't give a shit about the club. 

[Matt Tiger]

Does anyone actually think that we have players that can succeed in a side that actually maintains possession? Outside of Onana, who everyone seems to hate, who on the side can claim passing or ball control as a strength?

Sometimes I genuinely feel like I’m watching different players then most. 

[London Blue]

5 minutes ago, Matt Tiger said:

Does anyone actually think that we have players that can succeed in a side that actually maintains possession? Outside of Onana, who everyone seems to hate, who on the side can claim passing or ball control as a strength?

Sometimes I genuinely feel like I’m watching different players then most. 

Most of the team can, but we play a fast long ball game and players feel the pressure. 

[Matt]

11 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Look, we have to face reality that if our financial situation dictates it it won't be Pickford we sell because the fee won't be big enough.

It will be for Onana and/or Branthwaite.

I'd rather it just be Onana we sell because I think he's quite easily replaced for what he currently brings to the team, but we paid quite a big fee for him in the first place and his previous club reportedly have quite a big sell on clause, so that all dilutes how much we will actually benefit from his sale.

On the other hand, it may have to be Branthwaite as well because on the books his sale would be massive for us because he cost very little. Carlisle probably have a sell on clause too but it'll be smaller in his case as well.

It's all shit but we need to be realistic.

Think Pickford, DCL, Onana and Braithwaite will go for £200m if we're lucky. Replacing Pickford and Braithwaite will eat 40% of that, the other 2 maybe mean 60% if we can convince anyone to actually join. But we still have assets we can command good fees for. If we can get a new owner who buys the stadium too, we can remortgage against it too. Just need to know which owner it will be and hope they have some common sense...

[Palfy]

42 minutes ago, Matt said:

Think Pickford, DCL, Onana and Braithwaite will go for £200m if we're lucky. Replacing Pickford and Braithwaite will eat 40% of that, the other 2 maybe mean 60% if we can convince anyone to actually join. But we still have assets we can command good fees for. If we can get a new owner who buys the stadium too, we can remortgage against it too. Just need to know which owner it will be and hope they have some common sense...

So we need to find a buyer who has around 1 billion in cleared funds to buy the club and pay off all companies who have put hundreds of millions into the build of the stadium, because until they are paid off we can’t borrow against the stadium. 
I know there are people out there who can find that sort of money, bar the stadium I don’t think we are a good enough proposition for any company to risk that sort of investment. 
I wonder if Chong and Thelwell went on Dragons Den whether they could convince the Dragons to stomp up the money. 

[Matt]

15 minutes ago, Palfy said:

So we need to find a buyer who has around 1 billion in cleared funds to buy the club and pay off all companies who have put hundreds of millions into the build of the stadium, because until they are paid off we can’t borrow against the stadium. 
I know there are people out there who can find that sort of money, bar the stadium I don’t think we are a good enough proposition for any company to risk that sort of investment. 
I wonder if Chong and Thelwell went on Dragons Den whether they could convince the Dragons to stomp up the money. 

I'm trying to stay optimistic. The league are pushing us into bankruptcy. But I think any new owners will only buy with the stadium as part of the deal, allowing them to pay off all the stupid loans we've been lumped with using a remortgage and hopefully decent marketing opportunities. There's so much potential revenue with the stadium, we are still an attractive business venture in that regard so long as the league don't continue in their quest to destroy the club.