Paddock Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 It's hard for me to determine where he stands on the world stage when I don't take much interest of football outside of the premier league, but honestly, who do you rate as a better defensive mid in England? Kante is the only one who sticks out for me. He may be one of the best in Sngland but there are very few "world class" players. Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Maldini, Pirlo etcetc, these are all players that fall in that catergory (for me anyway) I wouldn't get overly carried away with Morgan personally, he can't even get in the French national team. Real world class players don't get thrown in the rezzies for a season or 2. He's a good quality premiership standard midfielder. Nothing more, nothing less for me and I'm delighted he's ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Whatever people think (world class or not) - even at £21m - he represents a bargain A quarter of the cost of Pogba! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 He may be one of the best in Sngland but there are very few "world class" players. Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Maldini, Pirlo etcetc, these are all players that fall in that catergory (for me anyway) I wouldn't get overly carried away with Morgan personally, he can't even get in the French national team. Real world class players don't get thrown in the rezzies for a season or 2. He's a good quality premiership standard midfielder. Nothing more, nothing less for me and I'm delighted he's ours. he was a regular with France when with Soton. They don't have the FA big 7 dilemma in France, they play the best available. Pirlo is not world class and hasn't been for a couple-few years now. For his position as a single DCM/pivot who else except Busquets is able to equally pass and intercept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 he was a regular with France when with Soton. They don't have the FA big 7 dilemma in France, they play the best available. Pirlo is not world class and hasn't been for a couple-few years now. For his position as a single DCM/pivot who else except Busquets is able to equally pass and intercept? Maldini hasn't either but he still WAS imo. Mark, if you think Schneiderlin is world class that's your right to your opinion but imo he is not world class. 21 million pounds doesn't buy you a world class player. He (in my opinion) isn't world class, doesn't mean I'm not delighted we signed him and I doubt very much you'll get many level headed fellow Evertonians saying he is world class. He is what he is, a very good dcm but nowhere near a world class footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Quality player for us. 'World Class' gets touted around too much me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 He may be one of the best in Sngland but there are very few "world class" players. Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Maldini, Pirlo etcetc, these are all players that fall in that catergory (for me anyway) I wouldn't get overly carried away with Morgan personally, he can't even get in the French national team. Real world class players don't get thrown in the rezzies for a season or 2. He's a good quality premiership standard midfielder. Nothing more, nothing less for me and I'm delighted he's ours. Pogba gets in ahead of him in the France team and I know who I'd rather have (it isn't Pogba!). He is always going to go under the radar because of the job he does but he is a class player who should be playing in a team with a title chance. He would have been perfect for Arsenal. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Agreed 21 million in today's market is great value for money. Niasse cost us 15! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Pogba gets in ahead of him in the France team and I know who I'd rather have (it isn't Pogba!). He is always going to go under the radar because of the job he does but he is a class player who should be playing in a team with a title chance. He would have been perfect for Arsenal. Every word of this is true and spot on but he's not a world class player Bailey. He's great ad I rate him highly but it just irks me a bit when people lable our players better than they are. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I don't have to agree with or like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 World class isn't just about how the individual plays, it's his effect on the team. That's why I think he'll get there Lowensda and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 He's just lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Defining "World class" is impossible for me. Is it someone who'd get in the squad if the planet ever played v Saturn or what? Daft term because it's completely unquantifiable imo, which is why I never use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 In my opinion it would be whether a players was in the 2 maybe 3 best players in the world in that position. Schneiderlin isn't that but he is in the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 In my opinion it would be whether a players was in the 2 maybe 3 best players in the world in that position. Schneiderlin isn't that but he is in the top 10. Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Defining "World class" is impossible for me. Is it someone who'd get in the squad if the planet ever played v Saturn or what? Daft term because it's completely unquantifiable imo, which is why I never use it. It's exactly that. If you had to pick a world 11 would he be in it? You can assemble a team from all over the globe , any player you want and any formation you want. It's a world 11 vs Barcelona for example. It's not going to happen but there's a certain 11 that get into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 In my opinion it would be whether a players was in the 2 maybe 3 best players in the world in that position. Schneiderlin isn't that but he is in the top 10. It's exactly that. If you had to pick a world 11 would he be in it? You can assemble a team from all over the globe , any player you want and any formation you want. It's a world 11 vs Barcelona for example. It's not going to happen but there's a certain 11 that get into it. Proves my point, one person thinks 22/33 players qualify while another thinks eleven. Meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Proves my point, one person thinks 22/33 players qualify while another thinks eleven. Meaningless. Not pointless, as long as the person quantifies what they mean. Now just make sure you don't forget my definition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Not pointless, as long as the person quantifies what they mean. Now just make sure you don't forget my definition OK, so I can quantify it as anyone who's ever played in a World Cup then, Kevin Kilbane=World class . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 OK, so I can quantify it as anyone who's ever played in a World Cup then, Kevin Kilbane=World class . ? Well just so you know, your definition is rubbish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 yeah some of you really get perturbed regarding what adjective people use to describe a player. i remember i called someone good and they thought i meant they were great, but i only said good, not excellent or phenomenal, but good which to me is a step above average. they had a different rating system. i guess i'm coming around to mike's way of thinking on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 yeah some of you really get perturbed regarding what adjective people use to describe a player. i remember i called someone good and they thought i meant they were great, but i only said good, not excellent or phenomenal, but good which to me is a step above average. they had a different rating system. i guess i'm coming around to mike's way of thinking on this one. Taking over the World one step at a time . rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Tom Cleverley and Gareth Barry two of the best English players Ever. Phenomenal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I think world class is meaningless and can't quantified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Tom Cleverley and Gareth Barry two of the best English players Ever. PhenomenalExactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 World class for me means you can't get much better in their position... it's at an elite level. They could play for the best teams in the World and not look out of place. It doesn't mean they are the best.... it just means that they belong in that company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) Morgan is talented at the midfield position in football. There we have it, something we can all get behind. Edited April 12, 2017 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) Morgan is talented at the midfield position in football. There we have it, something we can all get behind. A Toffeetalk first. Edited April 12, 2017 by London Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 koeman said in the presser he feels fine and no ill effects after coming back into the team. great news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10835950/morgan-schneiderlin-exclusive-how-the-midfielder-has-fitted-in-perfectly-at-everton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 He was awful today, his worst game by a million miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 Found it difficult being man marked. I doubt he's used to it. Clever from Sean Dyche to notice that he's our tempo and do something to counteract it. It's worked very well in that first half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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