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It's abysmal.

  2011-12 2012-13 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17 2017-18 2018-19 Record Points
Man U 0-1 4-4 1-0 0-2 2-0 1-0 3-0 1-2 0-3 0-1 1-1 1-1 0-2 0-4     4-3-7 15
City 1-0 0-2 2-0 1-1 2-3 1-3 1-1 0-1 0-2 0-0 4-0 1-1 1-3 1-1     3-5-6 14
Chelsea 2-0 1-3 1-2 1-2 1-0 0-1 3-6 0-1 3-1 3-3 0-3 0-5 0-0 0-2     3-2-9 11
Arsenal  0-1 0-1 1-1 0-0 3-0 1-1 2-2 0-2 0-2 1-2 2-1 1-3 2-5 1-5     2-4-8 10
Spurs 1-0 0-2 2-1 2-2 0-0 0-1 0-1 1-2 1-1 0-0 1-1 2-3 0-3 0-4     2-5-7 11
Shite 0-2 0-3 2-2 0-0 3-3 0-4 0-0 1-1 1-1 0-4 0-1 1-3 0-0 1-1     0-8-6 8
Record 3-1-8 3-6-3 4-3-5 1-4-7 1-5-6 2-4-6 0-4-8      
Points 10 15 15 7 8 10 4    

 

Last time we beat each team in the league:

  • Utd - April 26 2015
  • City - January 15 2017
  • Chelsea - September 12 2015
  • Arsenal - December 13 2016
  • Spurs - December 9 2012
  • Shite - October 17 2010

Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013

Record in our last 7 seasons (42 games) against top 6 away: 1 - 14 - 27

 

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2 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I think if you ignore the Liverpool figures we'd compare favourably against any other side outside that group (not going to do the numbers).

Completely agree. We shouldn't settle for that. We can't frankly, to get to where we want to be. It all starts here. 

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I love getting results against the big boys, and I'll point out that we can not capitulate against them like we did last year (pathetic) or be as cautious as Moyes was setting us up away from home.... But, the true key is going to be taking care of the dross home and away. Losing the past two was unacceptable (Huddy and WHU).

I want to regain that ability to knock off the big boys, but I want more consistency across the board (refinding form away from home, beating weak teams)

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32 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

I love getting results against the big boys, and I'll point out that we can not capitulate against them like we did last year (pathetic) or be as cautious as Moyes was setting us up away from home.... But, the true key is going to be taking care of the dross home and away. Losing the past two was unacceptable (Huddy and WHU).

I want to regain that ability to knock off the big boys, but I want more consistency across the board (refinding form away from home, beating weak teams)

agreed with the underlined.  i understand an outlier here or there but the easiest way to become part of the top 6 is to beat the lower sides.  it's 26 matches, 78 points available.  

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41 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

I love getting results against the big boys, and I'll point out that we can not capitulate against them like we did last year (pathetic) or be as cautious as Moyes was setting us up away from home.... But, the true key is going to be taking care of the dross home and away. Losing the past two was unacceptable (Huddy and WHU).

I want to regain that ability to knock off the big boys, but I want more consistency across the board (refinding form away from home, beating weak teams)

We didn’t lose to Huddersfield but the draw was just as unacceptable. 

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I think it’s fair to say after ten games we will know about what can of season we will have. Silva has had no where near a settled first eleven. Just want us to go out and have a go at the big boys. Once Bernard is settled I think he will give us that composure and confidence you need to keep the ball and look for the forward pass 

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Since 14-15 we have got worse against the top six but still finished mid table and above that to me is a good indicator of how big the gulf is getting between the top six and the rest, to bridge that gap now will take the sort of money people like Usmanov can throw at it. 

I agree we could do better against the lower teams and finish 7th or 8th but our chances of breaking into the top six are getting slimmer and slimmer every season, so if we can’t improve against the top six we are destined to stay where we are, what a shit thought. 

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Not getting any better...

11-12: 3-1-8 10pts; 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts; 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts; 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts; 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts; 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts; 17-18 0-4-8 4pts; 18-19 0-0-2 0pts

Utd 4-3-8 15pts; City 3-5-6 14pts; Chelsea 3-2-9 11pts; Arsenal 2-4-9 10pts; Spurs 2-5-7 11pts; Shite 0-8-6 8pts

 

Last time we beat each team in the league:

  • Utd - April 26 2015
  • City - January 15 2017
  • Chelsea - September 12 2015
  • Arsenal - December 13 2016
  • Spurs - December 9 2012
  • Shite - October 17 2010

Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013

Record in our last 7 seasons (42 games) against top 6 away: 1 - 14 - 29

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That would get you 78 points. 

Third place last season (17-18)

Joint third place (16-17)

second place (15-16) 

third place (14-15)

fifth place (13-14) we were actually fifth with 72

It seems like it’s a good base for 3rd place. I’d be more than happy with that.

 

 

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6 hours ago, StevO said:

That would get you 78 points. 

Third place last season (17-18)

Joint third place (16-17)

second place (15-16) 

third place (14-15)

fifth place (13-14) we were actually fifth with 72

It seems like it’s a good base for 3rd place. I’d be more than happy with that.

 

 

I would be ok with that too.  City and Liverpool drew, Chelsea and united drew.  The top teams aren’t necessarily beating each other either.  So wins against the minnows and draw against the top 6 and you’re close to there.

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Schedule oddity - all 6 games away in first half, all 6 games home in second half. Goal difference so far: -10. When we face City in February it will have been more than 2 years since our last league win against the top 6. 

11-12: 3-1-8 10pts; 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts; 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts; 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts; 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts; 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts; 17-18 0-4-8 4pts; 18-19 0-1-5 1pt

Utd 4-3-9 15pts; City 3-5-7 14pts; Chelsea 3-3-9 12pts; Spurs 2-5-8 11pts; Arsenal 2-4-9 10pts; Shite 0-8-7 8pts

Last time we beat each team in the league:

  • Utd - April 26 2015
  • City - January 15 2017
  • Chelsea - September 12 2015
  • Arsenal - December 13 2016
  • Spurs - December 9 2012
  • Shite - October 17 2010

Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013

Record since 11-12 in games against top 6 away: 1 - 15 - 32

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18 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Schedule oddity - all 6 games away in first half, all 6 games home in second half. Goal difference so far: -10. When we face City in February it will have been more than 2 years since our last league win against the top 6. 

11-12: 3-1-8 10pts; 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts; 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts; 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts; 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts; 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts; 17-18 0-4-8 4pts; 18-19 0-1-5 1pt

Utd 4-3-9 15pts; City 3-5-7 14pts; Chelsea 3-3-9 12pts; Spurs 2-5-8 11pts; Arsenal 2-4-9 10pts; Shite 0-8-7 8pts

Last time we beat each team in the league:

  • Utd - April 26 2015
  • City - January 15 2017
  • Chelsea - September 12 2015
  • Arsenal - December 13 2016
  • Spurs - December 9 2012
  • Shite - October 17 2010

Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013

Record since 11-12 in games against top 6 away: 1 - 15 - 32

Wanna give that an upvote for your compiling all of it, but that’s too depressing.

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Wolves have been on fire against the top 6 this season! Look like a real threat their fans must be loving it.

8 more points aginst us compared to the top 6 which is fantastic for them. But they're only 2 points above us in the table.

A better record against the top 6 would certainly show our level in this league, but it doesn't make the teams that gain more points against them better than us.

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Its because Wolves dont try and shot for shot against them. They stick to their plan and pick their moments, which in fairness we have done in most of those games but have fallen away from recently. We have become a bit loose and gung ho, almost from the Newcastle game (albeit we were chasing). Since then we have been too open IMO.

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