AlbanyNYToffee Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 It's abysmal. 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17 2017-18 2018-19 Record Points Man U 0-1 4-4 1-0 0-2 2-0 1-0 3-0 1-2 0-3 0-1 1-1 1-1 0-2 0-4 4-3-7 15 City 1-0 0-2 2-0 1-1 2-3 1-3 1-1 0-1 0-2 0-0 4-0 1-1 1-3 1-1 3-5-6 14 Chelsea 2-0 1-3 1-2 1-2 1-0 0-1 3-6 0-1 3-1 3-3 0-3 0-5 0-0 0-2 3-2-9 11 Arsenal 0-1 0-1 1-1 0-0 3-0 1-1 2-2 0-2 0-2 1-2 2-1 1-3 2-5 1-5 2-4-8 10 Spurs 1-0 0-2 2-1 2-2 0-0 0-1 0-1 1-2 1-1 0-0 1-1 2-3 0-3 0-4 2-5-7 11 Shite 0-2 0-3 2-2 0-0 3-3 0-4 0-0 1-1 1-1 0-4 0-1 1-3 0-0 1-1 0-8-6 8 Record 3-1-8 3-6-3 4-3-5 1-4-7 1-5-6 2-4-6 0-4-8 Points 10 15 15 7 8 10 4 Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 26 2015 City - January 15 2017 Chelsea - September 12 2015 Arsenal - December 13 2016 Spurs - December 9 2012 Shite - October 17 2010 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013 Record in our last 7 seasons (42 games) against top 6 away: 1 - 14 - 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 I think if you ignore the Liverpool figures we'd compare favourably against any other side outside that group (not going to do the numbers). Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, MikeO said: I think if you ignore the Liverpool figures we'd compare favourably against any other side outside that group (not going to do the numbers). Completely agree. We shouldn't settle for that. We can't frankly, to get to where we want to be. It all starts here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Completely agree. We shouldn't settle for that. We can't frankly, to get to where we want to be. It all starts here. And I completely agree in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 I love getting results against the big boys, and I'll point out that we can not capitulate against them like we did last year (pathetic) or be as cautious as Moyes was setting us up away from home.... But, the true key is going to be taking care of the dross home and away. Losing the past two was unacceptable (Huddy and WHU). I want to regain that ability to knock off the big boys, but I want more consistency across the board (refinding form away from home, beating weak teams) markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: I love getting results against the big boys, and I'll point out that we can not capitulate against them like we did last year (pathetic) or be as cautious as Moyes was setting us up away from home.... But, the true key is going to be taking care of the dross home and away. Losing the past two was unacceptable (Huddy and WHU). I want to regain that ability to knock off the big boys, but I want more consistency across the board (refinding form away from home, beating weak teams) agreed with the underlined. i understand an outlier here or there but the easiest way to become part of the top 6 is to beat the lower sides. it's 26 matches, 78 points available. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 41 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: I love getting results against the big boys, and I'll point out that we can not capitulate against them like we did last year (pathetic) or be as cautious as Moyes was setting us up away from home.... But, the true key is going to be taking care of the dross home and away. Losing the past two was unacceptable (Huddy and WHU). I want to regain that ability to knock off the big boys, but I want more consistency across the board (refinding form away from home, beating weak teams) We didn’t lose to Huddersfield but the draw was just as unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 But it's depressing reading when we can't carve out the occasional win and can't beat the 'small boys' when early fixtures look promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 I think it’s fair to say after ten games we will know about what can of season we will have. Silva has had no where near a settled first eleven. Just want us to go out and have a go at the big boys. Once Bernard is settled I think he will give us that composure and confidence you need to keep the ball and look for the forward pass markjazzbassist and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted October 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 It has been 8 years today since our last derby victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 17, 2018 Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 Since 14-15 we have got worse against the top six but still finished mid table and above that to me is a good indicator of how big the gulf is getting between the top six and the rest, to bridge that gap now will take the sort of money people like Usmanov can throw at it. I agree we could do better against the lower teams and finish 7th or 8th but our chances of breaking into the top six are getting slimmer and slimmer every season, so if we can’t improve against the top six we are destined to stay where we are, what a shit thought. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted October 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Not getting any better... 11-12: 3-1-8 10pts; 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts; 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts; 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts; 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts; 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts; 17-18 0-4-8 4pts; 18-19 0-0-2 0pts Utd 4-3-8 15pts; City 3-5-6 14pts; Chelsea 3-2-9 11pts; Arsenal 2-4-9 10pts; Spurs 2-5-7 11pts; Shite 0-8-6 8pts Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 26 2015 City - January 15 2017 Chelsea - September 12 2015 Arsenal - December 13 2016 Spurs - December 9 2012 Shite - October 17 2010 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013 Record in our last 7 seasons (42 games) against top 6 away: 1 - 14 - 29 Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 It’s nice to beat them, but until we up our level we just need to make sure we keep beating the 13 worse teams than us. markjazzbassist, Romey 1878, Palfy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 6 hours ago, StevO said: It’s nice to beat them, but until we up our level we just need to make sure we keep beating the 13 worse teams than us. This all day long. You could probably win the league if you beat the bottom 13 Home and away regardless of top 6 results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 That would get you 78 points. Third place last season (17-18) Joint third place (16-17) second place (15-16) third place (14-15) fifth place (13-14) we were actually fifth with 72 It seems like it’s a good base for 3rd place. I’d be more than happy with that. markjazzbassist and plaidharper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, StevO said: That would get you 78 points. Third place last season (17-18) Joint third place (16-17) second place (15-16) third place (14-15) fifth place (13-14) we were actually fifth with 72 It seems like it’s a good base for 3rd place. I’d be more than happy with that. I would be ok with that too. City and Liverpool drew, Chelsea and united drew. The top teams aren’t necessarily beating each other either. So wins against the minnows and draw against the top 6 and you’re close to there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 14 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: You could probably win the league if you beat the bottom 13 Home and away That's going to happen for sure! plaidharper and Aidan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted December 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 Schedule oddity - all 6 games away in first half, all 6 games home in second half. Goal difference so far: -10. When we face City in February it will have been more than 2 years since our last league win against the top 6. 11-12: 3-1-8 10pts; 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts; 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts; 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts; 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts; 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts; 17-18 0-4-8 4pts; 18-19 0-1-5 1pt Utd 4-3-9 15pts; City 3-5-7 14pts; Chelsea 3-3-9 12pts; Spurs 2-5-8 11pts; Arsenal 2-4-9 10pts; Shite 0-8-7 8pts Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 26 2015 City - January 15 2017 Chelsea - September 12 2015 Arsenal - December 13 2016 Spurs - December 9 2012 Shite - October 17 2010 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013 Record since 11-12 in games against top 6 away: 1 - 15 - 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 Thats horrible reading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, Bailey said: Thats horrible reading! Nah. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 18 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Schedule oddity - all 6 games away in first half, all 6 games home in second half. Goal difference so far: -10. When we face City in February it will have been more than 2 years since our last league win against the top 6. 11-12: 3-1-8 10pts; 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts; 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts; 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts; 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts; 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts; 17-18 0-4-8 4pts; 18-19 0-1-5 1pt Utd 4-3-9 15pts; City 3-5-7 14pts; Chelsea 3-3-9 12pts; Spurs 2-5-8 11pts; Arsenal 2-4-9 10pts; Shite 0-8-7 8pts Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 26 2015 City - January 15 2017 Chelsea - September 12 2015 Arsenal - December 13 2016 Spurs - December 9 2012 Shite - October 17 2010 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013 Record since 11-12 in games against top 6 away: 1 - 15 - 32 Wanna give that an upvote for your compiling all of it, but that’s too depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 StevO, Matt and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, c1982 said: I believe we played them all away, none of the others did so terrible comparison. Show it at the end of the season and then we can really judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Wolves have been on fire against the top 6 this season! Look like a real threat their fans must be loving it. 8 more points aginst us compared to the top 6 which is fantastic for them. But they're only 2 points above us in the table. A better record against the top 6 would certainly show our level in this league, but it doesn't make the teams that gain more points against them better than us. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: I believe we played them all away, none of the others did so terrible comparison. Show it at the end of the season and then we can really judge. Wolves beat Spurs at Wembley. I don’t know about the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Its because Wolves dont try and shot for shot against them. They stick to their plan and pick their moments, which in fairness we have done in most of those games but have fallen away from recently. We have become a bit loose and gung ho, almost from the Newcastle game (albeit we were chasing). Since then we have been too open IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 Not dissing them but Wolves are happy to be in the prem and have nothing to lose. We on the other hand have expectations that aren't being met at the moment. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted April 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Must give credit to team for turning this picture around in recent weeks. 11-12: 3-1-8 10pts; 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts; 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts; 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts; 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts; 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts; 17-18 0-4-8 4pts; 18-19 3-2-6 10pts Utd 5-3-9 18pts; City 3-5-8 14pts; Chelsea 4-3-9 15pts; Spurs 2-5-8 11pts; Arsenal 3-4-9 13pts; Shite 0-9-7 9pts Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 26 2015 UPDATE: APRIL 21 2019 City - January 15 2017 Chelsea - September 12 2015 UPDATE: MARCH 17 2019 Arsenal - December 13 2016 UPDATE: APRIL 7 2019 Spurs - December 9 2012 Shite - October 17 2010 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013 Record since 11-12 in games against top 6 away: 1 - 15 - 32 markjazzbassist, Sibdane, Hafnia and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Must give credit to team for turning this picture around in recent weeks. 11-12: 3-1-8 10pts; 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts; 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts; 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts; 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts; 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts; 17-18 0-4-8 4pts; 18-19 3-2-6 10pts Utd 5-3-9 18pts; City 3-5-8 14pts; Chelsea 4-3-9 15pts; Spurs 2-5-8 11pts; Arsenal 3-4-9 13pts; Shite 0-9-7 9pts Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 26 2015 UPDATE: APRIL 21 2019 City - January 15 2017 Chelsea - September 12 2015 UPDATE: MARCH 17 2019 Arsenal - December 13 2016 UPDATE: APRIL 7 2019 Spurs - December 9 2012 Shite - October 17 2010 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013 Record since 11-12 in games against top 6 away: 1 - 15 - 32 Yeah, but nothing has changed mate, so your facts are wrong... MikeO and Hafnia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Must give credit to team for turning this picture around in recent weeks. 11-12: 3-1-8 10pts; 12-13: 3-6-3 15pts; 13-14: 4-3-5 15pts; 14-15: 1-4-7 7pts; 15-16: 1-5-6 8pts; 16-17: 2-4-6 10pts; 17-18 0-4-8 4pts; 18-19 3-2-6 10pts Utd 5-3-9 18pts; City 3-5-8 14pts; Chelsea 4-3-9 15pts; Spurs 2-5-8 11pts; Arsenal 3-4-9 13pts; Shite 0-9-7 9pts Last time we beat each team in the league: Utd - April 26 2015 UPDATE: APRIL 21 2019 City - January 15 2017 Chelsea - September 12 2015 UPDATE: MARCH 17 2019 Arsenal - December 13 2016 UPDATE: APRIL 7 2019 Spurs - December 9 2012 Shite - October 17 2010 Last time we beat a top 6 team away: December 4 2013 Record since 11-12 in games against top 6 away: 1 - 15 - 32 You do realise that is all done in spite of our manager don't you? Nothing to do with him.... If we finished on 38 points he would be getting sacked and taking the blame.. but don't let that detract from the fact that those good results are nothing to do with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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