Romey 1878 Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10144635/roberto-martinez-sure-john-stones-will-bounce-back-from-recent-errors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobA34 Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) I honestly think its time to sell up for 40-50million while we still can:) get a solid replacement and add to the rest of the squad - Striker Edited January 27, 2016 by RobA34 dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) I honestly think its time to sell up for 40-50million while we still can:) get a solid replacement and add to the rest of the squad - Striker I agree, he isnt staying forever so cash in while we can. if we received the reported £50m we could buy a few quality players for that. £40m + Gary Cahill and Chelsea can have him :-) Edited January 27, 2016 by Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 It will be a done deal in the summer... Somewhere around £40-£50m and I'm going to say he won't turn out as good as people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 It will be a done deal in the summer... Somewhere around £40-£50m and I'm going to say he won't turn out as good as people think. I'd probably agree with that. The very best defenders are known for their ability to defend, not % pass completions. I got very excited by his potential for some time and then actually realised that his game is too high maintenance - too many other players need to be happy to receive the ball in awkward places. Gareth Barry is a very competent footballer, yet I have seen him unecessarily put in a difficult spot because of a stones pass that really could have gone "long" from Stones. He may the right player for a team that has world class players in every position - but we haven't an we won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Stones needs to be judged on his defending first and foremost. Is his passing first class? Compare it to Barkley, Cleverley, Barry or any other midfielder. Though his tackling is a lot better than he is given credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 It will be a done deal in the summer... Somewhere around £40-£50m and I'm going to say he won't turn out as good as people think. I also agree with this. If we can get 40/50 million for him now then take it. He may not be worth that in a years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Be lucky to get 30m now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Yeah the last three or four matches has decimated his value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Makes me wonder if he's doing it on purpose?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just as well you lot aren't actually in charge of our squad. We'd be left with a load of proven, hard working, no nonsense and no flair players playing for 6th and no sell on value. Luckily, Stones will still be seen as a 50m player because the people in charge of other clubs will recognize that its a dip in form after a tough summer on a young lad. They'll invest stupid money because the lad is class, but having a poor period. MikeO and brittoncarl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 I know he's top drawer, we're nearing the end of the transfer window and his forms dipped dramatically makes me wonder if his heads elsewhere that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just as well you lot aren't actually in charge of our squad. We'd be left with a load of proven, hard working, no nonsense and no flair players playing for 6th and no sell on value. Luckily, Stones will still be seen as a 50m player because the people in charge of other clubs will recognize that its a dip in form after a tough summer on a young lad. They'll invest stupid money because the lad is class, but having a poor period. Matt you are aware we are talking about a defender aren't you? Their job is to defend. He was shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Matt you are aware we are talking about a defender aren't you? Their job is to defend. He was shite. He's in a poor run of form. So many of you are far too quick to write kids off. Or are you now convinced this Rolls Royce of a player is actually an Escort with a good paint job? brittoncarl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) Loses his player too often by ball watching, the aguerro goal was a classic example. And de bruynes came from his crazy pass across the penalty area. Edited January 27, 2016 by Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Loses his player too often by ball watching, the aguerro goal was a classic example. Or it was a world class player making a clever run onto a quality delivery. Depends how you want to see it. brittoncarl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 He's in a poor run of form. So many of you are far too quick to write kids off. Or are you now convinced this Rolls Royce of a player is actually an Escort with a good paint job? Matt... he was fucking abysmal. Being Mr elegant is the icing on the cake, get the defending sorted, he looks more and more like David Luiz with each game. Shocking. Ball watching again and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Sterling had him every time. Mori is the better defender, country mile. Stones will suit Barcelona where he doesn't have to do much defending and is sat on the half way line doing keep ups with Pique. Can't defend. Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 I freely admit I don't know the complexities of selling in January, especially this late in the window. Still, I think at least a plausible case can be made for selling Stones this week, depending on price. I'm thinking aloud here, so if I'm way off, let me know, but gently If possible. Of course I don't know exactly what's going on with Stones, but his play recently is mediocre to poor, including today. He's an elegant player, but not a fundamentally sound defender. I'm absolutely willing to believe he will become a world class defender, but I doubt that will happen at Everton. If we could get £50m right now, preferably from a team outside the EPL, sell him. To a CL club, sure. It doesn't look like he wants to be here: transfer request last summer, lackadaisical play, ball-watching, fans now on him, presumably even more of them and more bitterly after his play today. Honestly, I was shocked that Roberto took him off, as it seems to me that the "purpose" of the substitution was at least partially a blunt, if far too belated, calling Stones out for poor play. If he stays until summer, as I concede is likely, it will be very difficult for Roberto to repair Stone's relationship with the fans. His presence is more likely than not going to be a very delicate problem, to understate the matter. Will one of the big Euopean clubs (Barca, Bayern, PSG, Real M) offer £50m in the next few days? Will any of them come in with £35-40m offer right now? Does Roberto think Stones can be an excellent player the rest of this season, at Everton? Just to finish this speculation, even if we sold Stones and did not replace him, I think we won't do any worse in his leaving. Something like: RB - Coleman, Oviedo, Lennon RCH - Jagielka, Besic, Funes Mori LCH - Funes Mori, Galloway LB - Baines, Oviedo, Galloway After all the wonderful optimism of keeping Stones last summer, it's gone downhill in January, badly. It appears poisonous. Happy to be corrected. (A lie. Think of it as Roberto-speak.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 ^ Don't have the answers, but yeah I pretty much agree at this point. For all the bells and whistles, I think we need something simpler that goes from A to B in a reliable manner. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 I don't think he will go this January because Chelsea don't have their manager he's just a stop gap. Same with man united same with city. Arsenal can't afford him. Real and barca haven't made an offer yet so I think it's just English teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Stones will suit Barcelona where he doesn't have to do much defending and is sat on the half way line doing keep ups with Pique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 But I'll raise the question again, why has Martinez kept him in for so long when he is so clearly out of form? Yes he is a young lad and is allowed to play poorly, but why hadn't he been dropped like any other 21-year-old making costlu mistakes? Again, it's Martinez's arrogance, his 'they have to be allowed to express themselves' mentality. All he has done is hung the lad out to dry, Stones will get the blame for the cuo exit but he shouldn't have been on the pitch anyway. Dreadful, dreadful man management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 But I'll raise the question again, why has Martinez kept him in for so long when he is so clearly out of form? Yes he is a young lad and is allowed to play poorly, but why hadn't he been dropped like any other 21-year-old making costlu mistakes? Again, it's Martinez's arrogance, his 'they have to be allowed to express themselves' mentality. All he has done is hung the lad out to dry, Stones will get the blame for the cuo exit but he shouldn't have been on the pitch anyway. Dreadful, dreadful man management. Its like top gun... "keep sending him up" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) But I'll raise the question again, why has Martinez kept him in for so long when he is so clearly out of form? Yes he is a young lad and is allowed to play poorly, but why hadn't he been dropped like any other 21-year-old making costlu mistakes? Again, it's Martinez's arrogance, his 'they have to be allowed to express themselves' mentality. All he has done is hung the lad out to dry, Stones will get the blame for the cuo exit but he shouldn't have been on the pitch anyway. Dreadful, dreadful man management. Martinez believing he's doing the right thing and hoping he'll play through it. What's really happening is he's crushed Stones''s confidence and applying pressure from fans when he doesn't play well. It is terrible man management. Just look at Howard. If Martinez had just dropped him 3 games in this season (the point where everyone knew it should happen), he might walk in the summer with fans praising his service and achievements, instead they constantly tell him to fuck off. Damming that once good relationship between player and fans. Edited January 28, 2016 by Lowensda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 I've said before if they don't want to play for us get rid now is the time. Especilally while the offers are over 35mil+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Lets get this straight - what crushed Stones confidence is the destruction of Mr Composure... Mr Composure can quickly turn into Mr Mistake and what an idiot you look when that happens. Martinez never told Stones "yeah, you just dribble in your 6 yard box, the fans will love that" - ironically many fans did enjoy it, for the life of me I do not know why.... would they enjoy playing chicken on the M6? Oh yes, there was lots to get from dribbling in your 6 yard box one game after giving away a needless last minute penalty... No there wassn't really, just an advert to all premier managers aying "when Stones gets the ball make sure you press him as he likes to hold on to it" Martinez's only mistake with Stones is to talk about it being ok to make mistakes. The rest lies with John Stones - unless of course it fits the agenda of throw everything at Martinez to give golden boy a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Martinez coached the defender out of him. Full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Martinez coached the defender out of him. Full stop. Up till Martinez arrival, how many games had Stones played for us? Under Martinez Stones became a player that attracted a £35m bid in the summer. As I have said, it all went pear shaped around 6 weeks ago and peaked with his cryuff turn fiasco. Was it just Martinez who coached it out of him in the last 6 weeks which is when his performances have been really poor? again, Martinez will attract his criticisms for things he can rightly be criticised for, but lets not get carried away with it. Its like a Paul McCartney fan trying to say that Yellow Submarine was written by Ringo Starr to take the blame for a really bad song. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Up till Martinez arrival, how many games had Stones played for us? Under Martinez Stones became a player that attracted a £35m bid in the summer. As I have said, it all went pear shaped around 6 weeks ago and peaked with his cryuff turn fiasco. Was it just Martinez who coached it out of him in the last 6 weeks which is when his performances have been really poor? again, Martinez will attract his criticisms for things he can rightly be criticised for, but lets not get carried away with it. Its like a Paul McCartney fan trying to say that Yellow Submarine was written by Ringo Starr to take the blame for a really bad song. Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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