Longest Thread! for Everton Discussion

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

1 hour ago, Bill said:

Years ago all stand season ticket holders got a free programme at every game. 

Yeah I remember that

[Finn balor]

2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

It was my youngest daughters first game as a season ticket holder on Saturday and when we took our seats we found that the club had left a goodie bag that included a personalised certificate ,welcome letter, match program and other memorabilia . Made an already very excited 7 year olds day. Thought it was a really nice touch by the club

That’s lovely. 

[Wiggytop]

6 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

It was my youngest daughters first game as a season ticket holder on Saturday and when we took our seats we found that the club had left a goodie bag that included a personalised certificate ,welcome letter, match program and other memorabilia . Made an already very excited 7 year olds day. Thought it was a really nice touch by the club

Think its new as we didn't get it for my son two seasons ago, lovely touch though, and regardless of how well we are doing on the pitch we really do get the personal aspect spot on.

[pete0]

Just spotted a video of the siren and flag waving before the match. Whoever had that idea needs a word with themselves, literally a plastic atmosphere. We're Everton, we don't need gimmicks. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/crucial-components-behind-evertons-newly-16787857

 

might be an interesting read for Pete

[markjazzbassist]

25 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/crucial-components-behind-evertons-newly-16787857

 

might be an interesting read for Pete

and people call marco "martinez mk ii".  he's so far from it.  

[Sibdane]

26 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/crucial-components-behind-evertons-newly-16787857

 

might be an interesting read for Pete

But... but... this can't be true? Silva has no idea what he's doing?!

[pete0]

59 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/crucial-components-behind-evertons-newly-16787857

 

might be an interesting read for Pete

Because an echo football journalist is really gonna change my mind  

 

34 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

and people call marco "martinez mk ii".  he's so far from it.  

The football is monotone, not creating clear chances, and is giving away goals too cheaply from set pieces. We were stronger in the middle with Martinez though, just too slow in the build up. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

21 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Because an echo football journalist is really gonna change my mind  

 

The football is monotone, not creating clear chances, and is giving away goals too cheaply from set pieces. We were stronger in the middle with Martinez though, just too slow in the build up. 

Fuck me Pete you need to have a day off, we haven’t conceded a goal at Goodison since February and only City have more clean sheets in 2019 and you’re clinging to the fact we had teething problems with set pieces in his first couple of months

[pete0]

1 minute ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Fuck me Pete you need to have a day off, we haven’t conceded a goal at Goodison since February and only City have more clean sheets in 2019 and you’re clinging to the fact we had teething problems with set pieces in his first couple of months

We were lucky with the timing more than anything. There was nothing in the performances to show we'd improved defensively bar the set pieces, which let's face it would have been hard to maintain conceding as many as we had. Hardly a teething issue either as Silva holds the worse record in the prem for them including his previous clubs. 

This season we've have less away through the middle but that down to using a footballer who knows how to hold position rather than a rogue ankle biter. Going forward there's very little different. We're still not making high quality chances, and Sigurdssen is still being misused. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

55 minutes ago, pete0 said:

We were lucky with the timing more than anything. There was nothing in the performances to show we'd improved defensively bar the set pieces, which let's face it would have been hard to maintain conceding as many as we had. Hardly a teething issue either as Silva holds the worse record in the prem for them including his previous clubs. 

This season we've have less away through the middle but that down to using a footballer who knows how to hold position rather than a rogue ankle biter. Going forward there's very little different. We're still not making high quality chances, and Sigurdssen is still being misused. 

There really is no hope

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/english-lessons-house-hunting-and-buddy-systems-how-clubs-help-signings-settle-in-lzp232qkm

[pete0]

35 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

There really is no hope

Feel free to show me some clips of all is playing free flowing football creating chances on a plate to give me optimism. Or explain why the tactics never worked against Newcastle*, Spurs, Palace x2, and Fulham! 

Only the second defeat from leading 2 nil at half time in our history/364 games. 

[barryj]

1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/english-lessons-house-hunting-and-buddy-systems-how-clubs-help-signings-settle-in-lzp232qkm

I started reading it but it’s not a free article to read. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

5 hours ago, pete0 said:

Feel free to show me some clips of all is playing free flowing football creating chances on a plate to give me optimism. Or explain why the tactics never worked against Newcastle*, Spurs, Palace x2, and Fulham! 

Only the second defeat from leading 2 nil at half time in our history/364 games. 

What’s the point, ? If i showed you a blackboard you would argue that it’s white

 

[DavisJD]

10 hours ago, pete0 said:

Going forward there's very little different. We're still not making high quality chances, and Sigurdssen is still being misused. 

Agree with this. Most our chances come from crossing, but it is to relatively static attackers creating low quality chances or most of which are cleared by defenders.

It frustrates me how little movement and interchanging of positions there is in and around  the attacking penalty area for Everton. This was clear to see last year, and I haven't seen much improvement in the first 2 games.

How often do you see an Everton player making a dummy run to create space for another player in and around the penalty area. Maybe I'm missing it, but I feel that we are static and predictable in most attacks if the opposition isn't chasing the game.

[StevO]

14 hours ago, pete0 said:

Just spotted a video of the siren and flag waving before the match. Whoever had that idea needs a word with themselves, literally a plastic atmosphere. We're Everton, we don't need gimmicks. 

Yeah we’re too cool for flags, leave that to the reds. We’re too cool to sing too, kopite behaviour that. 

Dont know if you remember the days of having an atmosphere at Goodison Pete, but it’s not been in the last few years apart from the odd game. 

At least they have tried something, didn’t like the flags myself (turned my hands blue from holding onto it in the first half) but having a go is no issue for me. 

[StevO]

51 minutes ago, DavisJD said:

Agree with this. Most our chances come from crossing, but it is to relatively static attackers creating low quality chances or most of which are cleared by defenders.

It frustrates me how little movement and interchanging of positions there is in and around  the attacking penalty area for Everton. This was clear to see last year, and I haven't seen much improvement in the first 2 games.

How often do you see an Everton player making a dummy run to create space for another player in and around the penalty area. Maybe I'm missing it, but I feel that we are static and predictable in most attacks if the opposition isn't chasing the game.

In Kean and Iwobi we have a couple of fresh and talented attackers who we’ve not really seen play yet. They might bring something different to the table, but we’ll have to wait and see. 

It’s early in the season yet, we’re undefeated and haven’t conceded a goal. Just wait and see for now. 

[MikeO]

10 hours ago, barryj said:

I started reading it but it’s not a free article to read. 

English lessons, house-hunting and buddy systems: how clubs help signings settle in

Paul Joyce discusses the lengths Everton will go to ensure their summer arrivals adapt to a new club, league and country

Marco Silva will sit down, one by one, with his new signings this week and present another tailor-made analysis session designed to speed up the integration of Everton’s latest recruits.

Yet the bespoke services the club provides the likes of Moise Kean and Jean-Philippe Gbamin, two £25 million summer arrivals, aimed at ensuring their immediate assimilation extends way beyond the positions they should take up on the pitch.

There are English lessons to organise, chauffeurs to book, house viewings to arrange, restaurants and hotels to recommend and everyday practicalities, such as setting up national insurance numbers and bank accounts, to cover.

After the deals between clubs have been agreed, private jets have delivered precious cargo and multi-million pound contracts have been signed, the bedding in of players, and importantly, their families, runs in conjunction with the football side.

Such work has become a staple at Premier League clubs and Everton boasts a full-time, first-team player care manager in Charlotte Renshaw, who supports their individual needs and requirements.

All new players receive an induction pack which tells them all about the history of the club, the work the club does in the community, background information on all the squad and details on the local area such as recommendations for places to live depending on their individual requirements.

There are three levels to the support Everton offer.

Category one details players who have never lived in the United Kingdom before, such as Kean who arrived from Juventus, Gbamin from Mainz and Djibril Sidibé on loan from Monaco, and who therefore require support with virtually everything.

While player agencies also offer help to their clients, Everton will source cars, help find GPs and dentists and provide information on any cultural requirements, for example the whereabouts of the local mosque.

For signings such as Alex Iwobi and Jonas Lossl, brought in from Arsenal and Huddersfield Town respectively, where the focus is more on relocation packages and ensuring family members are settled.

Fabian Delph, signed from Manchester City, falls into category three, given he already lived in the northwest and has spent his entire career in English football. Everton would help with any specific requirements he has, but assisting the midfielder is relatively straightforward.

“Ultimately, they all require different levels of support, but the idea is the club takes away as much of the stress of moving to a new club — and in some cases a new country — as possible so the player is free to concentrate on their football,” said Renshaw, who has worked for Everton since 2012.

There is an onus on the existing players to assist the settling in process. New captain Séamus Coleman formally welcomed all the new players, taking them on a tour of the training ground and introducing them to each squad member. The initiation ritual of singing for the rest of the group has already taken place.

“Our squad morale is very good,” said the Everton goalkeeper Jordan Pickford. “We have got a lot of different nationalities and we all gel together as one big unit. That goes a long way. The dressing room has to be good in football and ours is very good. That is the starting point.

“They are good lads. The songs? I don’t know what they were. I’m not French [speaking] or Italian! It’s one of those things in this industry. Some people don’t mind doing it, some people hate doing it — me being one of them.

“It’s about bedding in and it is a good welcome to the club. If you can understand the language, I’m sure that they did well but I didn’t stick around in school long enough to learn.”

Everton also have in place a “buddy” system of sorts where the club looks to pair a new recruit with a member of the squad with whom they might have something in common. This could be based upon nationality, or having played together at a previous club which helped André Gomes, Lucas Digne and Yerry Mina following their arrivals from Barcelona last summer.

In the case of Italy international Kean and Ivorian Gbamin, they both speak French and so have struck up a bond. They have also been staying at the same city centre hotel with the club organising lifts to and from training and any trips out.

Both will now start English lessons. Kean, the 19-year-old forward, already speaks limited English, while Gbamin, 23, commands good conversational English but will also have lessons in due course.

There are usually three lessons per week, either at home or Everton’s Finch Farm training HQ, and they can be one-on-one or group sessions with all the family.

All of this underpins and aids the work Silva is doing as he seeks to fast-track players signed at the end of the transfer window into the first team.

“I sit with them and work with them not just on the pitch, but with some videos so they can realise what we want in all the moments,” said Silva.

“Normally, we do all the job at Finch Farm with them. When they go home, I want them to rest, to relax with the family, keep thinking about the football, yes, and then come in the day after to work hard.

“The Premier League is different. Even though they have quality when they come here, we are talking about different players, different leagues.”

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

3 hours ago, DavisJD said:

Agree with this. Most our chances come from crossing, but it is to relatively static attackers creating low quality chances or most of which are cleared by defenders.

It frustrates me how little movement and interchanging of positions there is in and around  the attacking penalty area for Everton. This was clear to see last year, and I haven't seen much improvement in the first 2 games.

How often do you see an Everton player making a dummy run to create space for another player in and around the penalty area. Maybe I'm missing it, but I feel that we are static and predictable in most attacks if the opposition isn't chasing the game.

Which is precisely why we have signed Iwobi and Keen, give them time to bed in and I’m sure you will see a difference

[pete0]

7 hours ago, StevO said:

Yeah we’re too cool for flags, leave that to the reds. We’re too cool to sing too, kopite behaviour that. 

Dont know if you remember the days of having an atmosphere at Goodison Pete, but it’s not been in the last few years apart from the odd game. 

At least they have tried something, didn’t like the flags myself (turned my hands blue from holding onto it in the first half) but having a go is no issue for me. 

Liverpool have an atmosphere in TV thanks to tourists waving their new merchandise, yet the fans who go every week petition for more locals to get a proper atmosphere inside. 

Whoever made the decision for us made a very poor decision and it should have been. 

Best atmosphere for me, said it many times in here, was man u 1 nil. There was a crackle in the air before you even got in the ground and I don't think waving some flags will ever replicate the real thing and people at the club should know that. Bad decision and just a massive waste of plastic. 

They do get some right like what Dunc said about the new season ticket holders but the flags was an awful decision and should never have been okayed. 

[MikeO]

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1319511/gomes-and-pickford-surprise-youngsters-at-alder-hey

[StevO]

2 hours ago, pete0 said:

Liverpool have an atmosphere in TV thanks to tourists waving their new merchandise, yet the fans who go every week petition for more locals to get a proper atmosphere inside. 

Whoever made the decision for us made a very poor decision and it should have been. 

Best atmosphere for me, said it many times in here, was man u 1 nil. There was a crackle in the air before you even got in the ground and I don't think waving some flags will ever replicate the real thing and people at the club should know that. Bad decision and just a massive waste of plastic. 

They do get some right like what Dunc said about the new season ticket holders but the flags was an awful decision and should never have been okayed. 

Did it harm anyone or harm the club? They had a go, some will like it others won’t. Did you leave your flag on the floor or did you wave it at the time to join in?

How many years back are we talking about that one off atmosphere Pete? Goodison has been dead quiet for years apart from the odd game and every Derby. 

[pete0]

45 minutes ago, StevO said:

Did it harm anyone or harm the club? They had a go, some will like it others won’t. Did you leave your flag on the floor or did you wave it at the time to join in?

How many years back are we talking about that one off atmosphere Pete? Goodison has been dead quiet for years apart from the odd game and every Derby. 

I don't think anyone gave it a wave were I sit. If they gave it to just the family inclosure for the kids to play with I'd have no problem but to give them to a ground mostly full of grown men is beyond a poor idea, its incompetence. 

Its quiet as there's been a shift in attitude on the pitch, the players and aren't getting stuck in as much as they did under Moyes. On the occasions a player gets stuck in the crowd react just as they always have, albeit not as intense in parts due to a switch in demographics and culture. 

[StevO]

1 hour ago, pete0 said:

I don't think anyone gave it a wave were I sit. If they gave it to just the family inclosure for the kids to play with I'd have no problem but to give them to a ground mostly full of grown men is beyond a poor idea, its incompetence. 

Its quiet as there's been a shift in attitude on the pitch, the players and aren't getting stuck in as much as they did under Moyes. On the occasions a player gets stuck in the crowd react just as they always have, albeit not as intense in parts due to a switch in demographics and culture. 

I’m not talking about since Moyes left, it’s been way longer than that. The atmosphere has been dead for ten years plus. 

Not sure what you mean by switch in demographics and culture though. 

[pete0]

2 minutes ago, StevO said:

I’m not talking about since Moyes left, it’s been way longer than that. The atmosphere has been dead for ten years plus. 

Not sure what you mean by switch in demographics and culture though. 

Used to have more of a 'lad' culture, drinking, shouting, people letting of steam, singing, swearing, in general just less inhibited. Whereas now it is more civil, with a lot more children and women at the match. Nothing wrong with that but you'd not expect a kids disco to maintain the same atmosphere as a rave even if it is the same DJs. 

[StevO]

1 hour ago, pete0 said:

Used to have more of a 'lad' culture, drinking, shouting, people letting of steam, singing, swearing, in general just less inhibited. Whereas now it is more civil, with a lot more children and women at the match. Nothing wrong with that but you'd not expect a kids disco to maintain the same atmosphere as a rave even if it is the same DJs. 

Where do you sit Pete?

I’ve noticed no more kids at the match than when I was younger.

Not sure about women, there are two who I see at the match every time, but they’ve gone since way before I was born, but not really noticed. 

The only change in people’s inhibitions that I’ve noticed is that there isn’t as much racism as there used to be. 

[pete0]

30 minutes ago, StevO said:

Where do you sit Pete?

I’ve noticed no more kids at the match than when I was younger.

Not sure about women, there are two who I see at the match every time, but they’ve gone since way before I was born, but not really noticed. 

The only change in people’s inhibitions that I’ve noticed is that there isn’t as much racism as there used to be. 

I'm in the top balcony atm and it's mostly families or older guys, there's not many in my age bracket 20-40. When I was a teen I used to sit in the Gladys 10+ years ago and me and my mates were the younger ones at 15, mostly it was just blokes. Can see in that end now and it looks a lot more family friendly. 

I find, bar the odd few, those who still enjoy a pint are more level headed now. Whereas when I was a teen I remember a lot of fans would see the match as a piss up and get on the aussie whites. 

[Wiggytop]

10 hours ago, StevO said:

The only change in people’s inhibitions that I’ve noticed is that there isn’t as much racism as there used to be. 

Surely a good thing

 

9 hours ago, pete0 said:

Whereas when I was a teen I remember a lot of fans would see the match as a piss up and get on the aussie whites. 

Ahh, it's all now become clear why your views are so out of skew with everyone else, your too pisssed to know what's really happening ( I'll now put on my tin hat on and duck down to avoid the incoming

[StevO]

1 hour ago, Wiggytop said:

Surely a good thing

Too right it is mate.