MikeO Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, pete0 said: It’s true he won a lot of games, but they didn’t enjoy it.’ It's a job, the results come first. I'd rather the players won than enjoyed themselves, their getting paid enough. You think man u players enjoyed every match when they dominated? No chance, but I bet they enjoyed picking up the trophy the end of every season. He won ten games out of twenty-six, I wouldn't describe that as "a lot". Lower win rate (35.8%) than Martínez (42.9%), Koeman (41.4%) & Silva (41.7%) as well. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 56 minutes ago, MikeO said: He won ten games out of twenty-six, I wouldn't describe that as "a lot". Lower win rate (35.8%) than Martínez (42.9%), Koeman (41.4%) & Silva (41.7%) as well. And the big difference for me is that I walk up to the ground thinking we will win today, never once had that with he who I can't speak of Matt, Shukes and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, pete0 said: It’s true he won a lot of games, but they didn’t enjoy it.’ It's a job, the results come first. I'd rather the players won than enjoyed themselves, their getting paid enough. You think man u players enjoyed every match when they dominated? No chance, but I bet they enjoyed picking up the trophy the end of every season. A lot? And you want him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, Shukes said: A lot? And you want him back That was Mirallas' words not mine. I'd nearly have any manager over Silva. I doubt any fan would argue Alladyce would have the same or less points than what Silva does for us. He also would have addressed the defensive frailties and weak mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, pete0 said: That was Mirallas' words not mine. I'd nearly have any manager over Silva. I doubt any fan would argue Alladyce would have the same or less points than what Silva does for us. He also would have addressed the defensive frailties and weak mentality. Really? Because Arsenal fucking walloped us 5-1 and we looked defensively very frail and extremely weak mentally. I will never understand how you can be a backer of him but it’s the reality. However, don’t rewrite history. We did not look solid defensively under him at all and the attacking side of our game was non-existent. Edit - and he was someone that threw our players under the bus at every opportunity and never took any responsibility for our shitness. Something that you dislike about Silva immensely but for some reason you don’t hold that against gravy tits. Wiggytop, StevO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Really? Because Arsenal fucking walloped us 5-1 and we looked defensively very frail and extremely weak mentally. I will never understand how you can be a backer of him but it’s the reality. However, don’t rewrite history. We did not look solid defensively under him at all and the attacking side of our game was non-existent. Edit - and he was someone that threw our players under the bus at every opportunity and never took any responsibility for our shitness. Something that you dislike about Silva immensely but for some reason you don’t hold that against gravy tits. Wasn't his squad. It was an absolute mess. Imagine how bad it would've been had Silva took over. plaidharper, StevO and Heath 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, pete0 said: Wasn't his squad. It was an absolute mess. Imagine how bad it would've been had Silva took over. You're climbing a greasy pole naked after an olive oil bath if you think you can get anyone to agree with you on the fat twat Pete mate. Wiggytop, plaidharper, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, pete0 said: It’s true he won a lot of games, but they didn’t enjoy it.’ It's a job, the results come first. I'd rather the players won than enjoyed themselves, their getting paid enough. You think man u players enjoyed every match when they dominated? No chance, but I bet they enjoyed picking up the trophy the end of every season. But Big Sam hasn't won any trophies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Aidan said: But Big Sam hasn't won any trophies! I think he got one in a pie eating contest in Skegness one summer. plaidharper and Heath 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, MikeO said: I think he got one in a pie eating contest in Skegness one summer. Fake news. It was chips and gravy. plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, MikeO said: You're climbing a greasy pole naked after an olive oil bath if you think you can get anyone to agree with you on the fat twat Pete mate. You think he would have done a worse job than Silva? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, pete0 said: You think he would have done a worse job than Silva? Without a doubt. Like I pointed out above Silva, despite the position we find ourselves in, has a better win ratio than he did in his time in charge by nearly 6%. What makes you think he'd suddenly turn that around? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, MikeO said: Without a doubt. Like I pointed out above Silva, despite the position we find ourselves in, has a better win ratio than he did in his time in charge by nearly 6%. What makes you think he'd suddenly turn that around? This current season it's 25% and we're in the relegation zone. Silva's only achievement here is setting the record for most set piece goals conceded in the prem per game (think he holds all top 3 spots), and giving us only our second defeat from a 2 nil lead which had only happened once before in 364 games. Whereas Alladyce managed to keep Sunderland up, something our former manager couldn't do. Alladyce also got us 8th with our most unbalanced squad yet Silva with Digne (Martina), Zouma (Williams/Jags), Richarlison (Bolasie), Gomes (Schneiderlin) added only managed the same position. Bare in mind the quality was lower in Silva's year if you look at the points the top 6 accumulated from the rest too. Easier year, half the team players upgraded, and overall a stronger more balanced squad and he failed us. Given Alladyce managed 8th with the unbalanced team it's only logical he'd have done better with the more balanced and more talented squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 12 hours ago, MikeO said: Without a doubt. Like I pointed out above Silva, despite the position we find ourselves in, has a better win ratio than he did in his time in charge by nearly 6%. What makes you think he'd suddenly turn that around? Too early in the morning for mathematics for me, but what would have been Silvas win ratio before this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 12 hours ago, pete0 said: Given Alladyce managed 8th with the unbalanced team it's only logical he'd have done better with the more balanced and more talented squad. But he wouldn’t have signed these players, so we don’t know what the squad would have looked like. The only logic for me is that he’s never took a big club far in the premier league, so I don’t think he had it in him to do so now. Even when he talks on the radio every week, he doesn’t talk about attacking or winning games, he just talks about being solid, winning headers and these kind of things. Now they are all important parts of the game, but there needs to be more. There needs to be some entertainment and the fans needs to enjoy going to watch the team. None of that was possible for him at Everton. He was loved at Bolton, but a 1-0 win against the run of play was a bonus for them, for us we actually want to challenge and be successful and win the odd trophy if we can. He’s never ever done that in his career, he wasn’t going to start doing it in his last job. Romey 1878 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 6 hours ago, StevO said: But he wouldn’t have signed these players, so we don’t know what the squad would have looked like. The only logic for me is that he’s never took a big club far in the premier league, so I don’t think he had it in him to do so now. Even when he talks on the radio every week, he doesn’t talk about attacking or winning games, he just talks about being solid, winning headers and these kind of things. Now they are all important parts of the game, but there needs to be more. There needs to be some entertainment and the fans needs to enjoy going to watch the team. None of that was possible for him at Everton. He was loved at Bolton, but a 1-0 win against the run of play was a bonus for them, for us we actually want to challenge and be successful and win the odd trophy if we can. He’s never ever done that in his career, he wasn’t going to start doing it in his last job. It's not good job to sign players. He can recommend to Brands, but ultimately the managers role is to ask for a player who can do x, y and z and it's the DOFs to find that player. No doubt in my mind Allardyce would have brought in an experienced centre half, whereas Silva just wanted another winger! As for signings wise he brought anelka to Bolton! Closest we've had to that talent is an injury plagued Saha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, pete0 said: It's not good job to sign players. He can recommend to Brands, but ultimately the managers role is to ask for a player who can do x, y and z and it's the DOFs to find that player. No doubt in my mind Allardyce would have brought in an experienced centre half, whereas Silva just wanted another winger! As for signings wise he brought anelka to Bolton! Closest we've had to that talent is an injury plagued Saha. You’re confusing a DoF with a Head Scout. Moshiri did the same appointing Walsh. markjazzbassist, StevO and Zoo 2.0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Yeah I think Marco's role is more to build a squad of players and let the manager decide how he wishes to set them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just reading an article on the Echo which says that we've conceded the least amount of shots in the PL whilst defending corners. To put it into context of the 39 corners we have faced, we've conceded 9 shots - compared to the likes of Aston Villa (31 shots conceded) and Arsenal (29 shots concded). Food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 19 hours ago, pete0 said: It's not good job to sign players. He can recommend to Brands, but ultimately the managers role is to ask for a player who can do x, y and z and it's the DOFs to find that player. No doubt in my mind Allardyce would have brought in an experienced centre half, whereas Silva just wanted another winger! As for signings wise he brought anelka to Bolton! Closest we've had to that talent is an injury plagued Saha. You really don’t think Silva wanted a centre half? one signing 20 years ago being the example, is just not enough! His career will always show he was limited. Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 20 hours ago, pete0 said: No doubt in my mind Allardyce would have brought in an over 30 English player on 5 year contract for big wages that would stifle youth development for many years to come. There! Fixed it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 15 hours ago, Aidan said: Just reading an article on the Echo which says that we've conceded the least amount of shots in the PL whilst defending corners. To put it into context of the 39 corners we have faced, we've conceded 9 shots - compared to the likes of Aston Villa (31 shots conceded) and Arsenal (29 shots concded). Food for thought. That's a surprise? Do you know if that is directly from the corner or includes 2nd/3rd balls? A lot of our problems come from the man at the back post heading back into the area for someone else to score, a bit like the chance we gave away today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, Bailey said: That's a surprise? Do you know if that is directly from the corner or includes 2nd/3rd balls? A lot of our problems come from the man at the back post heading back into the area for someone else to score, a bit like the chance we gave away today. I think a lot of our problems come from schoolboy errors. I would love to see that stat if it existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, Sibdane said: I think a lot of our problems come from schoolboy errors. I would love to see that stat if it existed. I’m sure there is one for individual errors, but this is the only one I can quickly find (which surprises me) https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/error_lead_to_goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 On 18/10/2019 at 00:13, pete0 said: This current season it's 25% and we're in the relegation zone. And now it's 33% [win rate] and we're four points off 6th, things change quickly after so few games, 'specially in such weird season for everyone results wise. I'm honest enough to admit I said, "enough" after the Burnley game but the man's bought himself more time after today. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, plaidharper said: There! Fixed it for you. You mean like Gary Cahill? I'd have been made up with him instead of the pedalo Keane. 38 minutes ago, MikeO said: And now it's 33% [win rate] and we're four points off 6th, things change quickly after so few games, 'specially in such weird season for everyone results wise. I'm honest enough to admit I said, "enough" after the Burnley game but the man's bought himself more time after today. You mean now he's dropped Sigurdssen for Davies, something I said a year ago. Great manager... If he'd done it before we were in the relegation zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Bailey, MikeO and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/lifestyle/article/everton-leave-their-fans-feeling-blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/lifestyle/article/everton-leave-their-fans-feeling-blue The comment that we treat our managers like c***s is possibly true, but given the club employ a more c***s than not, what else are we supposed to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 great great news here. players out of contract this summer: Niasse, Baines, Martina, Stek, Sidibe (option to buy). Niasse Stek and Martina are 3 lumps we can finally remove from the payroll. dead wood clearing itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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