Longest Thread! for Everton Discussion

[pete0]

2 hours ago, Wiggytop said:

Can't say, but I do know that I would have any feeling of excitement going to Goodison before each game as I do now. His style of football was dogshit, he treated the fans with contempt, and it was all about self promotion for him, as it always is. Truth is we deserved that as he knew it was short term apppointment albeit highly paid.

There was little choice style wise. Imagine we got Marco in first time round and him trying to get those same players using this shite system. We'd have been in a relegation battle. 

[Shukes]

18 hours ago, pete0 said:

Alladyce got critised for similar stats even though he inherited an unbalanced side with no pace. 

Any one seriously think we'd be on less points under Alladyce given this side? 

It’s not all about stats though mate. I felt deflated each and every time I watched us under Sam. The biggest problem was that I felt deflated before the matches... there was no disappointment, just confirmed expectations every time we played.

Under Silva, I at least feel excited before a match. I have also been at Goodison while the atmosphere was electric on the opening day and against Wolves. I’m expecting more now, it’s not happening, but I expect more and can see the football is a vast improvement.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Sorry to interrupt Pete’s love in with Gravy Tits but just spotted this

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-eight-filings-everton-posted-16994923

[pete0]

2 hours ago, Shukes said:

It’s not all about stats though mate. I felt deflated each and every time I watched us under Sam. The biggest problem was that I felt deflated before the matches... there was no disappointment, just confirmed expectations every time we played.

Under Silva, I at least feel excited before a match. I have also been at Goodison while the atmosphere was electric on the opening day and against Wolves. I’m expecting more now, it’s not happening, but I expect more and can see the football is a vast improvement.

That was the same with Koeman, it was Koeman and Walsh's squad that was the problem. I'm excited to see Digne a hell of a lot more than I am Martina. 

Alladyce got us 8th with an unbalanced and slow squad. Silva done the same even though he had everything in his favour and now he's fully implemented his style he's taking us backwards. Said last season we were very lucky with the results and we should be worried and most laughed, didn't need a crystal ball to see what was gonna happen good year. Only this is I expected the players with their higher quality than the other none top 6 to be able to prop the manager up. Teams have found us out and Silva is doing very little to justify his post. Should have been sacked last year, shouldn't have been hired in the first place. 

[Finn balor]

1 hour ago, pete0 said:

That was the same with Koeman, it was Koeman and Walsh's squad that was the problem. I'm excited to see Digne a hell of a lot more than I am Martina. 

Alladyce got us 8th with an unbalanced and slow squad. Silva done the same even though he had everything in his favour and now he's fully implemented his style he's taking us backwards. Said last season we were very lucky with the results and we should be worried and most laughed, didn't need a crystal ball to see what was gonna happen good year. Only this is I expected the players with their higher quality than the other none top 6 to be able to prop the manager up. Teams have found us out and Silva is doing very little to justify his post. Should have been sacked last year, shouldn't have been hired in the first place. 

Most of us laughed because you made ridiculous statements like we were lucky to beat united 4-0 etc etc and use stats that nobody cares about to back up your theory. Same as the gana thread. I agree with Marco should be doing more and I’m 50/50 with him at the minute. And I agree teams have figured his style out and it’s up to him now to prove us wrong. I just can’t see how you can think fat fingers was anything but a horrible horrible thing to have happened. He is a relic and I know that because when he was on the touchline he unwrapped wrigleys chewie and stuffed em in his fat gob. Who has them these days? There only good for about five chews 

[pete0]

4 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Most of us laughed because you made ridiculous statements like we were lucky to beat united 4-0 etc etc and use stats that nobody cares about to back up your theory. Same as the gana thread. I agree with Marco should be doing more and I’m 50/50 with him at the minute. And I agree teams have figured his style out and it’s up to him now to prove us wrong. I just can’t see how you can think fat fingers was anything but a horrible horrible thing to have happened. He is a relic and I know that because when he was on the touchline he unwrapped wrigleys chewie and stuffed em in his fat gob. Who has them these days? There only good for about five chews 

We're playing the same we did against man. Our chances weren't great two of them were special goals and people got carried away when it more man u not turning up and us getting goals that normally get skied over the bar. Even though United were woeful they still had a couple of chances they could have scored. 

[Palfy]

On 26/09/2019 at 10:14, pete0 said:

Anyone willing to admit sticking with Alladyce would have been the better option yet? 

No not a chance Pete, and the if he was here he would have scored more points with this squad is not debatable because if he was here nearly all the players brought in by Silva and Brands wouldn’t have spoken to Alardyce, with his style and brand of football he would have struggled to attract half decent players. 

Now for me the biggest mistake was the sacking of Martinez he should have been given some money and at least 6 months under Moshiri, he could get his teams to play good football. 

[Shukes]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

No not a chance Pete, and the if he was here he would have scored more points with this squad is not debatable because if he was here nearly all the players brought in by Silva and Brands wouldn’t have spoken to Alardyce, with his style and brand of football he would have struggled to attract half decent players. 

Now for me the biggest mistake was the sacking of Martinez he should have been given some money and at least 6 months under Moshiri, he could get his teams to play good football. 

Was saying the same just last night. I would have like to have given Martinez one more season and some money to see what he could do.

[pete0]

2 hours ago, Palfy said:

No not a chance Pete, and the if he was here he would have scored more points with this squad is not debatable because if he was here nearly all the players brought in by Silva and Brands wouldn’t have spoken to Alardyce, with his style and brand of football he would have struggled to attract half decent players. 

Now for me the biggest mistake was the sacking of Martinez he should have been given some money and at least 6 months under Moshiri, he could get his teams to play good football. 

He's a bigger name than Silva. Walcott signed for him even after Alladyce told him exactly what he wanted from him. Brands is the one attracting the players any how Richarlison aside, although tbf he did try and sign him previously. 

Martinez lost the squad. He was too one visioned. Had he adapted his football (like Pep) from the second half of his second season he'd have been round longer. Let's not mention his out dated physio degree causing the fitness team to disband and us having the least fit team in the league. 

[Finn balor]

Martinez’s last six months we’re terrible. I still have nightmares over the derby game. He should have gone earlier than he did 

[StevO]

The reason we beat the good teams at Goodison last season is that we are a good counter attacking team. Arsenal, Chelsea and United had chances against us because they had enough of the ball and wanted to attack us. We hit them on the break and did it well. It’s the same way Leicester won the league, teams weren’t scared to attack them so they could counter, the second season people started to sit back because they were scared of them on the counter. Teams are scared of us on the counter. Look at the Wolves game, when they came at us we could break. 
 

The downside to that is let us have the ball and we can’t counter attack. The same reason that we struggle against weaker opposition is because they sit back and let us have the ball. We then just play it out wide, cross into the box and centre halves can deal with it. The Sheffield United game was a perfect example, crosses into the box and they just cleared them. 
 

The challenge for Marco is to find a way to create chances when there are ten men behind the ball, do that and we have a chance. If not, we need to find someone who can. The problem is there aren’t many tried and tested managers who have been successful with possession based football who we can get. 

[Finn balor]

I think a big problem is we haven’t got forward players with rapid pace. Gilfi bernard DCl are pretty standard and iwobi, charly and kean are quicker but not quick quick if you get what I mean 

[StevO]

37 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

I think a big problem is we haven’t got forward players with rapid pace. Gilfi bernard DCl are pretty standard and iwobi, charly and kean are quicker but not quick quick if you get what I mean 

Does pace help when everyone is stood together in the box? For me we don’t play enough through the middle, no one is picking a pass and the crossing isn’t good enough. 

[Bailey]

1 hour ago, StevO said:

The reason we beat the good teams at Goodison last season is that we are a good counter attacking team. Arsenal, Chelsea and United had chances against us because they had enough of the ball and wanted to attack us. We hit them on the break and did it well. It’s the same way Leicester won the league, teams weren’t scared to attack them so they could counter, the second season people started to sit back because they were scared of them on the counter. Teams are scared of us on the counter. Look at the Wolves game, when they came at us we could break. 
 

The downside to that is let us have the ball and we can’t counter attack. The same reason that we struggle against weaker opposition is because they sit back and let us have the ball. We then just play it out wide, cross into the box and centre halves can deal with it. The Sheffield United game was a perfect example, crosses into the box and they just cleared them. 
 

The challenge for Marco is to find a way to create chances when there are ten men behind the ball, do that and we have a chance. If not, we need to find someone who can. The problem is there aren’t many tried and tested managers who have been successful with possession based football who we can get. 

 

18 minutes ago, StevO said:

Does pace help when everyone is stood together in the box? For me we don’t play enough through the middle, no one is picking a pass and the crossing isn’t good enough. 

 

Completely agree. Lots of people can band about managers who have enjoyed success and comment on how organised their teams are but that's because most of them sit deep and win games on the counter attack which has a short shelf life. You can even look at Ole at United. They only showed a glimmer because they were good on the counter against teams that missed their chances and when it comes to the teams that sit deep they get caught out.

Our next manager needs to know how to break teams down when they sit 11 men behind the ball. That is why I would be very tempted to chance Arteta if he was inclined to come here or look at someone like Erik Ten Hag from Ajax who have spent time working with the best.

[Romey 1878]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49876588

[Matt]

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1358491/osonyq-becomes-evertons-official-sports-drink-partner

[Romey 1878]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1358491/osonyq-becomes-evertons-official-sports-drink-partner

Pretty sure Pete posted that somewhere. 

[Matt]

Must’ve missed it. 

Its weird timing this announcement considering the Monster energy drinks deal a couple of weeks ago

[Heath]

On 26/09/2019 at 10:14, pete0 said:

Digging deeper, they are ninth in the league for total shots, 16th for shots on target and, most worryingly, bottom of the league for percentage of shots on target.

This suggests the quality of the chances they are creating is not very good, and this is backed up by an xG of 7.57, which puts them 14th in the league according to Understat.

So the only thing Silva has improved is our possession. Anyone willing to admit sticking with Alladyce would have been the better option yet? 

 

Not sure if you're on a wind up to be honest.

I'll no doubt get more stick for this than a middle-aged white man criticising Greta Thunberg on Twitter, but..  yes. I wanted Big Sam to at least see his contract out; mainly because I wasn't keen on us bringing in Marco Silva.

Big Sam was sacked after taking us up the table, which is something I didn't like. Now, after paying Allardyce, and Watford, God knows how much in compensation to get 'our' man, we have a Manager who has pretty much got the Club into the same position that we were in when Big Sam took over; but spent a fortune doing it. 

I shall now put on my tin hat and retreat to my bunker 

 

 

[pete0]

1 hour ago, Heath said:

 

Not sure if you're on a wind up to be honest.

I'll no doubt get more stick for this than a middle-aged white man criticising Greta Thunberg on Twitter, but..  yes. I wanted Big Sam to at least see his contract out; mainly because I wasn't keen on us bringing in Marco Silva.

Big Sam was sacked after taking us up the table, which is something I didn't like. Now, after paying Allardyce, and Watford, God knows how much in compensation to get 'our' man, we have a Manager who has pretty much got the Club into the same position that we were in when Big Sam took over; but spent a fortune doing it. 

I shall now put on my tin hat and retreat to my bunker 

 

 

He wasn't my first choice but he's a lot higher up the list than Marco for what we needed. I wanted him to stay get the team some structure and give the next manager solid foundations to build on. I reckon he would have cracked on the top 7 last year though whilst building those foundations. Brands has given Silva much better tools to work with yet we look impotent. 

[Btay]

4 hours ago, pete0 said:

He wasn't my first choice but he's a lot higher up the list than Marco for what we needed. I wanted him to stay get the team some structure and give the next manager solid foundations to build on. I reckon he would have cracked on the top 7 last year though whilst building those foundations. Brands has given Silva much better tools to work with yet we look impotent. 

Verses that time against city where Fernandinho spent more time on the ball than our whole team...

 

Marco needs to shape up and quick but big Sam is never the answer.

[pete0]

2 hours ago, Btay said:

Verses that time against city where Fernandinho spent more time on the ball than our whole team...

 

Marco needs to shape up and quick but big Sam is never the answer.

Imagine that game if Silva was at the helm. This manager only got us to the same position as Alladyce but with the benefit of the likes of Richarlison to Bolasie and Digne instead of Martina. Those two changes alone should have been enough to crack the top 7.

[Shukes]

It’s true, we’re playing the exact same teams as last year, with the exact same players, exact same tactics and set up.

Everyone put a bet on City now, because we already know who is going to win the Premier league, Champions league and FA cup. 

I honestly despair sometimes. You can put up some good points at times PeteO, but you can also come up with some right corkers haha.

[StevO]

I think you’ve got a footballing equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome Pete. 

[plaidharper]

Been wishing for the day when Fat Sam would never be mentioned again but coming to terms that it will never go away.  We could win 10 UCLs in a row and people would still make fun of us for that appointment.  Such dark days those were.

[Sibdane]

I'm convinced that anyone who wanted to keep that tub of lard on didn't actually watch the football we were playing. Calling it atrocious is being too kind.

[Finn balor]

He was on goals on Sunday with with Chris camera and I had to switch it off. 

[JimmytheJimster]

For the first time in my life I didn't look forward or enjoy going to Goodison  and that includes the dark days of the mid 90s.

[Haiku]

Imagine we are in the relegation zone 5 matches before the season ends. You can pick between Fat Sam and Marco Silva to save us from relegation. Who will you chose?

[MikeO]

22 minutes ago, Haiku said:

Imagine we are in the relegation zone 5 matches before the season ends. You can pick between Fat Sam and Marco Silva to save us from relegation. Who will you chose?

Silva.