Longest Thread! for Everton Discussion

[Matt]

 

 

[Romey 1878]

 

[Formby]

If we have pleaded guilty and get the two brownie points back that Forest received, and the commission find we have already been punished for the first charge and there's no case to answer for the second, do we still get the two brownie points back? So +2?

 

[Formby]

If the commission find that we are guilty of another six point charge, despite the fact that there is an overlap of two years, it surely cannot be served in the same season? 

[RuffRob]

Looking at what Forest got, then I feel we should have been reduced to 4 points in the appeal ( shame we can't appeal and appeal!!). So to me we should already be considered to be 2 deducted points in credit going in to the next hearing (but I am sure that will not be considered). We have been a club working toward meeting the rules over a few seasons now - so massive intent to do the right thing (unlike forest). Forest hung on to a player past financial deadline day, we ensured we sold our biggest asset before financial cut off. We could argue we miss out on extra money from Richarlison sale in the financial year now under consideration? Forest have already demonstrated that a player IS worth considerabley more at the end of August that he is in June.

but fuck knows how they will work it all out, I have no faith in these commissions as the last lots can't even compare apples with apples. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Not sure I want it suspending to be honest. A 2 point deduction next season could prove far worse than a 10 point deduction this season

[Matt]

12 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Not sure I want it suspending to be honest. A 2 point deduction next season could prove far worse than a 10 point deduction this season

With the rules changing in the summer, it wouldn't be points next season right? That said, it would also let Chelsea and City off 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/saw-everton-legend-train-pain-28862205

[Palfy]

Has any other members received the email regarding season tickets for 24/25, if so how did you access your position on the waiting lists, they told me I have been on the waiting list since 18/19 season but not where I am on the list. 

[MikeO]

5 hours ago, Palfy said:

Has any other members received the email regarding season tickets for 24/25, if so how did you access your position on the waiting lists, they told me I have been on the waiting list since 18/19 season but not where I am on the list. 

At the moment you can only see if you're in tier one or two, by looking here.

From May you'll be able to see how high up you are in tier one (which is where you'll be, same as me). 

"Supporters from 1-10,000 on the waiting list will be banded in increments of 500. I.e. The first band will be 1-500, the second band 501-1000, the third 1001-1500 and so on."

I went on the list in August 2020 so you'll likely be a bit higher than me.

[Palfy]

1 minute ago, MikeO said:

At the moment you can only see if you're in tier one or two, by looking here.

From May you'll be able to see how high up you are in tier one (which is where you'll be, same as me). 

"Supporters from 1-10,000 on the waiting list will be banded in increments of 500. I.e. The first band will be 1-500, the second band 501-1000, the third 1001-1500 and so on."

I went on the list in August 2020 so you'll likely be a bit higher than me.

Cheers Mike so if we are both in the 1-10,000 we should be definitely offered the chance of a season ticket, especially if the capacity in the new stadium is going up by 15,000. Can’t wait it’s been a long time coming. 

[Formby]

Long article, this - but very interesting. Pro-City spin, obviously, but the narrative is compelling. I wonder if we have a PL Watergate situation developing? 

Super City from Maine Road | Facebook

FFP - A PREMIER LEAGUE OWN GOAL

For the first time in the entire history of the FFP narrative, the focus has shifted (slightly) away from City and other clubs in the financial spotlight, and it’s moving towards “FFP is not working and it’s hindering clubs progress”

So let’s get all this straight…
Premier League clubs voted in favour of FFP rules in early 2013, following the 2009 UEFA review of clubs spending and sustainability (less than a year after City’s takeover)
And now it turns out that the rules don’t just affect the top clubs, but every club no matter where they are in the league, which was fine and dandy… Until the Premier League started docking points for breaking those rules.

Now, we all know that despite these rules being presented as a fluffy, unicorn filled dream where no club will ever need go hungry again, they were brought in to limit mega wealthy club owners such as (at the time) Roman Abramovic and of course; City Football Group.
Meanwhile City have won the absolute lot and Chelsea continue to spend money like it’s going out of fashion but cant win a one ticket raffle, but that’s beside the point for now.

The last transfer window was completely dead, with multiple clubs claiming poverty, that is, relative poverty to FFP.
Arsenal for example couldn’t go in for the players they wanted because they would have passed the FFP threshold in doing so.
Similar was said by other clubs who needed to strengthen but couldn’t despite having the funds to do so.
Then we have the case of Newcastle United… The richest football club in the world, but can’t buy any world class talent off the shelf without the threat of having the man on their back.
Stoke City are in the same boat. Championship FFP rules are aligned with the Premier League. Stoke are owned by the people who created BET365, multi billionaires who can’t spend any money that will meaningfully benefit the progress of their club.
Meanwhile Notts Forest and Everton are having points taken off them during a season where they are fighting for league survival.
Where does this all end?
Who will stand up against these ridiculous regulations that are choking the financial power traditionally associated with the English top flight?

Well I’ll tell you who…. MANCHESTER CITY.

During the initial FFP vote in 2013, six clubs voted against the new rules. Three of those clubs are no longer in this league and the remaining three are Fulham, Aston Villa and the Treble Winning Champions of the World.
City’s bosses saw right through the facade from the beginning, but the long game had to be played out, this wasn’t going away any time soon.
Fast forward ten years and as predicted, the Premier League charged City under the rules designed from the outset to stop them.
Or so they thought…
When UEFA launched an investigation into City’s finances (under its own separate FFP regulations) they alerted the Premier League to its intentions and began sharing their findings, from which the Premier League began its own investigation using UEFA’s evidence as a template. UEFA concluded City were in breach of rules and banned City from the Champions League.
Unfortunately for both organisations, there was a small problem along the way.
That small problem being that not one single piece of evidence that UEFA presented was able to stand up when viewed independently.
Now this would have been bad enough, had the people who reviewed this evidence been anyone other than… The highest judicial authority in the world for sport.
Luckily for the Premier League, a time barred restriction was placed on a portion of UEFA’s evidence, giving the Premier League a window of opportunity, since there was no time bar limits within the Premier Leagues own regulations.
All systems were go, the green light was on… 115 charges relating to Financial Fair Play and profit and sustainability rules.
However…
City insist they’ve not broken any rules and have openly stated they can prove it.
The Premier Leagues charges are as we speak, being independently reviewed by a time served King’s counsel Barrister.
This process is private and confidential by order of…. The Premier League.
No information is allowed to be discussed with third parties including the press, TV media and other private individuals and organisations.
It’s completely hush until the day the independent commission report is published.

When that day arrives, (around June 17th according to some unofficial sources) it will be the end of FFP as we know it.
In the time it took to legislate for City, allow City the time to go ahead and actually “break the rules,” investigate them, charge them and then independently review everything… the Premier League have potentially relegated two clubs, stopped its richest club spending any money, limited its title contenders squad options and caused a knock on effect of club legal action against one another as well as from clubs below them in other leagues.
All this to try and stop the Treble Winning Champions of the World from undermining the established, traditional order at the top of the pyramid.
When the truth finally comes out, the last thing Everton, Forest and Newcastle will be worried about is money. They will be more concerned with the fact that the administration of the very league they compete in has used them as sacrificial lambs as a means to an end that had nothing to do with them.
I highly doubt Premier League CEO Richard Masters sleeps very well at night knowing what’s coming this year regarding City “charges,” but that’s not the only thing giving him anxiety…
What will people think when the severely underreported revelations from 2020 resurface? Namely the fact that Liverpool and Man united had special access to vet Richard Masters as a candidate in the running to be Premier League CEO.
Masters was the League committee’s fourth choice for the role, the other three miraculously decided the job wasn’t for them, leaving the reds lap dog as the only option left.
FFP is just the start, the corruption and manipulation will all come to light.
City have already ruined the party, but to what extent the party has been ruined is still behind closed doors for as long as City have a case to answer.
Those doors will be opening within a matter of weeks and no prisoners will be taken.
Often the question is asked, “If they are innocent, why didn’t City just cooperate?…”

…It’s simple; City do not negotiate with terrorists.
City knew from the start that FFP was a sniper scope aimed at the Etihad.
City knew they were being baited into proceeding with no regard for the new rules.
City knew what the agenda was, who was behind it and how it was being played out the entire time.
That’s why City so confidently state they have done nothing wrong.
Because the last thing City were ever going to do after 2013 was give the Premier League a valid reason to attack.
Their hand was forced with talk of a Government Regulator coming in and the evidence against City will be the same tripe it was when it began in the office of the UEFA FFP panel, the leader of which ended up in a French prison on corruption charges…

Word to the wise… Start getting your apologies ready by the end of spring. City are about to save Football, and it’s going to be BIBLICAL.

- Admin, Super City from Maine Road

[dunlopp9987]

29 minutes ago, Formby said:

Long article, this - but very interesting. Pro-City spin, obviously, but the narrative is compelling. I wonder if we have a PL Watergate situation developing? 

Super City from Maine Road | Facebook

FFP - A PREMIER LEAGUE OWN GOAL

For the first time in the entire history of the FFP narrative, the focus has shifted (slightly) away from City and other clubs in the financial spotlight, and it’s moving towards “FFP is not working and it’s hindering clubs progress”

So let’s get all this straight…
Premier League clubs voted in favour of FFP rules in early 2013, following the 2009 UEFA review of clubs spending and sustainability (less than a year after City’s takeover)
And now it turns out that the rules don’t just affect the top clubs, but every club no matter where they are in the league, which was fine and dandy… Until the Premier League started docking points for breaking those rules.

Now, we all know that despite these rules being presented as a fluffy, unicorn filled dream where no club will ever need go hungry again, they were brought in to limit mega wealthy club owners such as (at the time) Roman Abramovic and of course; City Football Group.
Meanwhile City have won the absolute lot and Chelsea continue to spend money like it’s going out of fashion but cant win a one ticket raffle, but that’s beside the point for now.

The last transfer window was completely dead, with multiple clubs claiming poverty, that is, relative poverty to FFP.
Arsenal for example couldn’t go in for the players they wanted because they would have passed the FFP threshold in doing so.
Similar was said by other clubs who needed to strengthen but couldn’t despite having the funds to do so.
Then we have the case of Newcastle United… The richest football club in the world, but can’t buy any world class talent off the shelf without the threat of having the man on their back.
Stoke City are in the same boat. Championship FFP rules are aligned with the Premier League. Stoke are owned by the people who created BET365, multi billionaires who can’t spend any money that will meaningfully benefit the progress of their club.
Meanwhile Notts Forest and Everton are having points taken off them during a season where they are fighting for league survival.
Where does this all end?
Who will stand up against these ridiculous regulations that are choking the financial power traditionally associated with the English top flight?

Well I’ll tell you who…. MANCHESTER CITY.

During the initial FFP vote in 2013, six clubs voted against the new rules. Three of those clubs are no longer in this league and the remaining three are Fulham, Aston Villa and the Treble Winning Champions of the World.
City’s bosses saw right through the facade from the beginning, but the long game had to be played out, this wasn’t going away any time soon.
Fast forward ten years and as predicted, the Premier League charged City under the rules designed from the outset to stop them.
Or so they thought…
When UEFA launched an investigation into City’s finances (under its own separate FFP regulations) they alerted the Premier League to its intentions and began sharing their findings, from which the Premier League began its own investigation using UEFA’s evidence as a template. UEFA concluded City were in breach of rules and banned City from the Champions League.
Unfortunately for both organisations, there was a small problem along the way.
That small problem being that not one single piece of evidence that UEFA presented was able to stand up when viewed independently.
Now this would have been bad enough, had the people who reviewed this evidence been anyone other than… The highest judicial authority in the world for sport.
Luckily for the Premier League, a time barred restriction was placed on a portion of UEFA’s evidence, giving the Premier League a window of opportunity, since there was no time bar limits within the Premier Leagues own regulations.
All systems were go, the green light was on… 115 charges relating to Financial Fair Play and profit and sustainability rules.
However…
City insist they’ve not broken any rules and have openly stated they can prove it.
The Premier Leagues charges are as we speak, being independently reviewed by a time served King’s counsel Barrister.
This process is private and confidential by order of…. The Premier League.
No information is allowed to be discussed with third parties including the press, TV media and other private individuals and organisations.
It’s completely hush until the day the independent commission report is published.

When that day arrives, (around June 17th according to some unofficial sources) it will be the end of FFP as we know it.
In the time it took to legislate for City, allow City the time to go ahead and actually “break the rules,” investigate them, charge them and then independently review everything… the Premier League have potentially relegated two clubs, stopped its richest club spending any money, limited its title contenders squad options and caused a knock on effect of club legal action against one another as well as from clubs below them in other leagues.
All this to try and stop the Treble Winning Champions of the World from undermining the established, traditional order at the top of the pyramid.
When the truth finally comes out, the last thing Everton, Forest and Newcastle will be worried about is money. They will be more concerned with the fact that the administration of the very league they compete in has used them as sacrificial lambs as a means to an end that had nothing to do with them.
I highly doubt Premier League CEO Richard Masters sleeps very well at night knowing what’s coming this year regarding City “charges,” but that’s not the only thing giving him anxiety…
What will people think when the severely underreported revelations from 2020 resurface? Namely the fact that Liverpool and Man united had special access to vet Richard Masters as a candidate in the running to be Premier League CEO.
Masters was the League committee’s fourth choice for the role, the other three miraculously decided the job wasn’t for them, leaving the reds lap dog as the only option left.
FFP is just the start, the corruption and manipulation will all come to light.
City have already ruined the party, but to what extent the party has been ruined is still behind closed doors for as long as City have a case to answer.
Those doors will be opening within a matter of weeks and no prisoners will be taken.
Often the question is asked, “If they are innocent, why didn’t City just cooperate?…”

…It’s simple; City do not negotiate with terrorists.
City knew from the start that FFP was a sniper scope aimed at the Etihad.
City knew they were being baited into proceeding with no regard for the new rules.
City knew what the agenda was, who was behind it and how it was being played out the entire time.
That’s why City so confidently state they have done nothing wrong.
Because the last thing City were ever going to do after 2013 was give the Premier League a valid reason to attack.
Their hand was forced with talk of a Government Regulator coming in and the evidence against City will be the same tripe it was when it began in the office of the UEFA FFP panel, the leader of which ended up in a French prison on corruption charges…

Word to the wise… Start getting your apologies ready by the end of spring. City are about to save Football, and it’s going to be BIBLICAL.

- Admin, Super City from Maine Road

I stopped reading here. Some good points, but get off your fucking high horse claiming that City aren't one of the big boys. I get the point they're trying to make (that City aren't a "traditional" powerhouse), but come on...have some perspective

[Cornish Steve]

On 19/03/2024 at 10:02, Formby said:

If we have pleaded guilty and get the two brownie points back that Forest received, and the commission find we have already been punished for the first charge and there's no case to answer for the second, do we still get the two brownie points back? So +2?

 

Two judges find themselves in traffic court for speeding. The first judge takes to the bench and the second judge is brought in to face the music. "You were traveling at 55mph in a 35mph zone. That's a £200 fine and 3 penalty points." Next, the second judge takes to the bench and the first judge appears before him. "You were traveling at 50mph in a 40mph zone. That's a £500 fine and 6 penalty points." The first judge objects: "But I gave you a smaller fine and applied fewer penalty points despite yours being a worse case of speeding." The second judge explains his reasoning: "But this is the second case of speeding brought before this court today. It's time to stamp it out!"

We are not going to face a smaller points penalty. If I had to guess, it will be another 6 points, at which point all hell breaks loose.

[Palfy]

On 22/03/2024 at 14:55, Cornish Steve said:

We are not going to face a smaller points penalty. If I had to guess, it will be another 6 points, at which point all hell breaks loose.

Good analogy with the rest of your post. Like you I think we definitely get a points deduction at 4-6 points, if we do get 6 I think we appeal and it gets reduced to 4. 
Bring it on I say Evertonian’s relish a challenge, if the challenges we’ve had to face and conquer were training for a fighting force we would be the SAS of the Premier League. 

[Romey 1878]

 

[Romey 1878]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-takeover-who-responsible-clubs-28877133

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.everton.news/sky-sports-reporter-makes-significant-psr-claim-about-what-is-happening-to-everton-today/

[Romey 1878]

Significant claim that we all already knew.

Why does every headline have to sound sensational?

[Romey 1878]

Forest have appealed their points deduction.

[Palfy]

4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Forest have appealed their points deduction.

Interesting The PL directors must be sitting at their desks with their heads in their hands, not knowing how this is going to end for them, and now definitely not knowing what to advise the next independent panel when it comes to us at the next hearing. 

[Romey 1878]

9 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Interesting The PL directors must be sitting at their desks with their heads in their hands, not knowing how this is going to end for them, and now definitely not knowing what to advise the next independent panel when it comes to us at the next hearing. 

Like I've said from the beginning, they've backed themselves into a corner by starting with points deductions. That should never have been the first step.

[Palfy]

1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:

Like I've said from the beginning, they've backed themselves into a corner by starting with points deductions. That should never have been the first step.

Proof that sometimes you are right mate

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Odd that the super silk not at the PSR heating this week

https://www.everton.news/what-laurence-rabinowitz-has-been-doing-as-everton-prepare-for-second-psr-hearing/

[Matt]

 

 

[Matt]

15 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Odd that the super silk not at the PSR heating this week

https://www.everton.news/what-laurence-rabinowitz-has-been-doing-as-everton-prepare-for-second-psr-hearing/

He's probably just playing it cool...

[Btay]

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

 

God it’s 10pm Monday night, I’ve had a few drinks & some how managed to watch all of that.

[dunlopp9987]

I know we shit all over Xg, but this is interesting. The two charts under #1 and #3 show that we are creating plenty of chances (one of the best in the league), we just have the finishing ability of a man making love who is 15 whiskeys deep.

If we find someone who can actually put the ball in the back of the net, we're nowhere near the drop zone right now, even with the deductions

https://www.espn.com/soccer/insider/story/_/id/39808723/ranking-premier-league-fixtures-arsenal-liverpool-man-city

[Romey 1878]

Everything is always geared to the sly 6 and they will always get further and further away from the rest.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-saw-ffp-gap-widen-28890495

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Everything is always geared to the sly 6 and they will always get further and further away from the rest.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-saw-ffp-gap-widen-28890495

Yep English football is fucked, it’s already gone past the point of no return and is only going to get worse

It’s not just the EPL, the same 6 teams are also now dominating the cup competitions.

In these PSR cases the EPL keep talking about fairness and integrity but the EPL is anything but. If it’s fairness and integrity they want then that is only achievable by introducing a salary cap and applying same rules to all 20 teams