Romey 1878 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'm a rare breed, an optimistic, logical Everton fan, do you think it will catch on? No . Toffee_in_LA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I think your being a tad optimistic expecting 6 points fom Fulham & Newcastle away but you never know i don't. newcastle doesn't have their skipper and lost to fulham just this weekend. i don't think they'll do much of anything the rest of the year, they're playing for nothing (no europa chance really) and pardew is gone. i just don't see that being a tough match. fulham? i don't care if it's at the cottage, they're absolutely terrible. without berbatov the only threat is holtby or the aging darren bent who isn't much of a threat anyways. i do fancy us for both wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 5th, finish agonisingly about 4 points behind 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) 4th spot usually goes between 68 and 75 points this season i think it may even go beyond. I think it's well gone. We'd have to win all our games Edited March 17, 2014 by MiguelCotto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Place your bets. Sticking to my guns said 11th since Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Place your bets. Sticking to my guns said 11th since Christmas 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 10th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Glad I'm not a betting man, said 5-6, yikes! I'm with mike, 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 10th for me, think 9th will be just slightly out of our reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 9th comon top 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Sticking with my guess of 8 but my cheeks are starting to squeak now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Sticking with 8th, only 6 points away now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Exactly. West Ham are failing now, and Crystal Palace have hit a bump in the road. We have an excellent shot at 10th. It will be more difficult to move ahead of Stoke and Swansea to clinch eighth, but it's definitely a possibility. I would point out that 10th is around about where most said at the start of the season, and 8th would mean we exceeded most people's expectations. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) I think Swansea will fall away badly. They have hard games v Man City and Arsenal and also play Palace, Stoke and Newcastle. Four more points. West Ham, even though on a bad run, seem to have an easier run in. They play Us, QPR, Burnley, Villa and Newcastle. I think we owe them and will beat them. QPR and Burnley will be fighting for their lives and should each take a point at least. Villa will have one eye on Wembley and who knows about Newcastle. They may also only get another 4 points. Stoke have Sunderland, Swansea, Spurs, Burnley Liverpool. I can see them getting 10 points from that and finishing eighth. Palace, I am confident we will finish above. I reckon we can get 11 points from the last 15 with 3 wins and 2 draws and I think that will be good enough for tenth and maybe just ninth. I cant see us getting eighth but I can see us finishing above Swansea with Stoke getting eighth. Edited April 19, 2015 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Not sure where we will finish but it will be higher than many thought we would a month ago. Martinez has earned his right to have a summer of putting his learnings into practice. Only an idiot would think he didn't have things to learn from this season. I honestly think that last years success lulled him into a false sense of security which was a little gullable of him. His mistakes were:- Trusting the players so much. I think the players earned a lot of his respect last year and a few have thrown this in his face. Mr Eto has been moved on (Matt called this one spot on) and Mirallas has had his wings clipped. Martinez has actually managed the situation well and I don't think he will make the same mistake again. Lack of pre season. Very amateurish. We looked unfit, I think he needs to replace Dave Billows "properly", that said the Newcastle players don't exactly look particularly sharp. I think he has discovered the right blend of work rate and football. One key player in all of this has been Aaron Lennon, a master stroke of a loan signing. I would offer spurs the £6M they want right now. An energiser for the team. I think we will get another 6-8 points, lets see where that puts us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Not sure where we will finish but it will be higher than many thought we would a month ago. Martinez has earned his right to have a summer of putting his learnings into practice. Only an idiot would think he didn't have things to learn from this season. I honestly think that last years success lulled him into a false sense of security which was a little gullable of him. His mistakes were:- Trusting the players so much. I think the players earned a lot of his respect last year and a few have thrown this in his face. Mr Eto has been moved on (Matt called this one spot on) and Mirallas has had his wings clipped. Martinez has actually managed the situation well and I don't think he will make the same mistake again. Lack of pre season. Very amateurish. We looked unfit, I think he needs to replace Dave Billows "properly", that said the Newcastle players don't exactly look particularly sharp. I think he has discovered the right blend of work rate and football. One key player in all of this has been Aaron Lennon, a master stroke of a loan signing. I would offer spurs the £6M they want right now. An energiser for the team. I think we will get another 6-8 points, lets see where that puts us. The whole bayern Munich medical staff walked out after pep spat his dummy out, worth recruiting all of them as there needs to be big changes in the background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 I think Swansea will fall away badly. They have hard games v Man City and Arsenal and also play Palace, Stoke and Newcastle. Four more points. West Ham, even though on a bad run, seem to have an easier run in. They play Us, QPR, Burnley, Villa and Newcastle. I think we owe them and will beat them. QPR and Burnley will be fighting for their lives and should each take a point at least. Villa will have one eye on Wembley and who knows about Newcastle. They may also only get another 4 points. Stoke have Sunderland, Swansea, Spurs, Burnley Liverpool. I can see them getting 10 points from that and finishing eighth. Palace, I am confident we will finish above. I reckon we can get 11 points from the last 15 with 3 wins and 2 draws and I think that will be good enough for tenth and maybe just ninth. I cant see us getting eighth but I can see us finishing above Swansea with Stoke getting eighth. Doubt we can pass either Swansea or Stoke, hope so. Confident we can pass Palace, with their tough run in. The issue for me is whether our 3 remaining home matches to WHam's only 2 allows us to grab 10th. If we win or maybe even draw at WHam, we get 10th. Highly unlikely we could fall below 12th, as WBrom are 5 behind us and have harsh matches remaining. And Newcastle, even with relatively easy schedule, are 6 behind us and playing poorly. Rusty has discussed opponents' schedules, so here's a list for reference: 8. Swansea 47 points, -4 GD, @Newcastle, Stoke, @Arsenal, ManCity, @Palace 9. Stoke, 46 points, -3 GD, Sunderland, @Swansea, Spurs, @Burnley, Liverpool 10. WHam, 43 points, 0 GD, @QPR, Burnley, @Villa, Everton, @Newcastle 11. Palace, 42 points, -3 GD, Hull, @Chelsea, ManU, @Liverpool, Swansea 12. Everton, 41 points, -2 GD, ManU, @Villa, Sunderland, @WHam, Spurs Thrilled to rise to 8th, hoping for 9th, expecting 10th, disappointed with 11th (must be a loss @WHam), cursing Roberto if 12th, give him until Christmas if 13th, until October if 14th, fire him May 25 if 15th. 10th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 thanks elston. we really need to get some results from the Man U and spurs matches and then hope we can beat up the other guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Eleven points from 15 and I think we could get ninth but expecting tenth. Now, as Villa beat Liverpool yesterday that means that if Arsenal win the FA Cup seventh will be good enough for Europa League. I would find that a wee bit frustrating when I look at all the points we have thrown away this season - must be about 20. If only we had taken ten of them! Edited April 20, 2015 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Doubt we can pass either Swansea or Stoke, hope so. Confident we can pass Palace, with their tough run in. The issue for me is whether our 3 remaining home matches to WHam's only 2 allows us to grab 10th. If we win or maybe even draw at WHam, we get 10th. Highly unlikely we could fall below 12th, as WBrom are 5 behind us and have harsh matches remaining. And Newcastle, even with relatively easy schedule, are 6 behind us and playing poorly. Rusty has discussed opponents' schedules, so here's a list for reference: 8. Swansea 47 points, -4 GD, @Newcastle, Stoke, @Arsenal, ManCity, @Palace 9. Stoke, 46 points, -3 GD, Sunderland, @Swansea, Spurs, @Burnley, Liverpool 10. WHam, 43 points, 0 GD, @QPR, Burnley, @Villa, Everton, @Newcastle 11. Palace, 42 points, -3 GD, Hull, @Chelsea, ManU, @Liverpool, Swansea 12. Everton, 41 points, -2 GD, ManU, @Villa, Sunderland, @WHam, Spurs Thrilled to rise to 8th, hoping for 9th, expecting 10th, disappointed with 11th (must be a loss @WHam), cursing Roberto if 12th, give him until Christmas if 13th, until October if 14th, fire him May 25 if 15th. 10th. So I've followed through to see what it means in terms of final position. 8. Swansea 47 points, -4 GD, @Newcastle (draw), Stoke (lose), @Arsenal (lose), ManCity (lose), @Palace (lose) 9. Stoke, 46 points, -3 GD, Sunderland (win), @Swansea (win), Spurs (draw), @Burnley (win), Liverpool (draw) 10. WHam, 43 points, 0 GD, @QPR (lose), Burnley (win), @Villa (lose), Everton (lose), @Newcastle (win) 11. Palace, 42 points, -3 GD, Hull (win), @Chelsea (lose), ManU (lose), @Liverpool (lose), Swansea (win) 12. Everton, 41 points, -2 GD, ManU (draw), @Villa (draw), Sunderland (win), @WHam (win), Spurs (draw) Final positions? 8. Stoke 57 points 9. Everton 50 points 10. WHam 49 points 11. Palace 48 points 12. Swansea 48 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Eleven points from 15 and I think we could get ninth but expecting tenth. Now, as Villa beat Liverpool yesterday that means that if Arsenal win the FA Cup seventh will be good enough for Europa League. I would find that a wee bit frustrating when I look at all the points we have thrown away this season - must be about 20. If only we had taken ten of them! After the impact the Europa had on our league form? Let Liverpool play the Europa next year, having to qualify from the first round. (Tongue in cheek, because I do believe that playing in Europe is a positive thing.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Preparing for a match Monday or Tuesday then travelling abroad on Wednesday, play Thursday, back home Friday and then a high intensity game on Sunday takes it out of teams. I think the stats indicate this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 So I've followed through to see what it means in terms of final position. 8. Swansea 47 points, -4 GD, @Newcastle (draw), Stoke (lose), @Arsenal (lose), ManCity (lose), @Palace (lose) 9. Stoke, 46 points, -3 GD, Sunderland (win), @Swansea (win), Spurs (draw), @Burnley (win), Liverpool (draw) 10. WHam, 43 points, 0 GD, @QPR (lose), Burnley (win), @Villa (lose), Everton (lose), @Newcastle (win) 11. Palace, 42 points, -3 GD, Hull (win), @Chelsea (lose), ManU (lose), @Liverpool (lose), Swansea (win) 12. Everton, 41 points, -2 GD, ManU (draw), @Villa (draw), Sunderland (win), @WHam (win), Spurs (draw) Final positions? 8. Stoke 57 points 9. Everton 50 points 10. WHam 49 points 11. Palace 48 points 12. Swansea 48 points No way will Swansea finish 12th imo they're way ahead of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Its the time of the year where in the clubs above 40 points some of the players are ordering their flip flops and arranging their £20k holidays. I would not be surprised to see the likes of swansea, west ham, palace lose games in a big fashion. I think we could end up with 52 points looking at those fixtures. 9th is doable - 10-11 realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Its the time of the year where in the clubs above 40 points some of the players are ordering their flip flops and arranging their £20k holidays. I would not be surprised to see the likes of swansea, west ham, palace lose games in a big fashion. I think we could end up with 52 points looking at those fixtures. 9th is doable - 10-11 realistic. So could we though, as we're in the same boat. If it happens I'll be massively pissed off because the players owe the fans a few performances. Matt, Elston Gunnn and Toffee_in_LA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 So could we though, as we're in the same boat. If it happens I'll be massively pissed off because the players owe the fans a few performances. Thats why I think we will do well. The players seem to have more self belief and cohesion now, certainly there is a momentum that we want to take right to the last game. I think Martinez from what he looked like a month or so back (ashen faced, tense and pretty much like a worn out man) will not allow the players to take him there again. I think it will be a case of "you lot nearly lost me my job" - and to be fair they did. There was not one of them who took account for the slow, languid, lazy way in which we were playing, and I will say it again - it took Aaron Lennon to inject some spirit into the side. Since then we have looked like a team with more guts and guile - not where we were last year but certainly far much improved. I think if Martinez will/should review the entire season with the team - show examples of what didn't work, what did work and trigger points. I do feel let down by certain players, Jags (leadership), Barry ( poor for the majority), Mirallas (see seperate thread), Coleman (looked lost), Baines (made me angry) Eto (the man is a digrace) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 No way will Swansea finish 12th imo they're way ahead of us. But just look at their final fixtures. That's a tough finish for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 10th Unacceptable but a lot better than I thought it was going to be at Christmas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Top half and I'll be happy. Well, not happy, but you know what I mean. Elston Gunnn and Toffee_in_LA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 But just look at their final fixtures. That's a tough finish for them. They still wont finish twelfth you can vault me on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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