MikeO Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Fair few turned up tonight but they need to swerve vandalising the ground Really struggle with the simplistc, "...sack the board.." What are they suggesting we replace it with? Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shukes Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, MikeO said: Really struggle with the simplistc, "...sack the board.." What are they suggesting we replace it with? They don't care what we do next, just want to be able to stand there and say I joined on the protest…. Like 80% of protesters. Apparently sacking the board gives us everything we’ve ever wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 What started with good honest intentions is let down by tits like this, makes them all Luke like muppets Romey 1878 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, MikeO said: Really struggle with the simplistc, "...sack the board.." What are they suggesting we replace it with? Been hesitant to ask this question for awhile cuz this thread is well oiled machine haha, but if you guys wouldn't mind can I derail for a second so someone can help me understand this. What actually is the board? It is a completely foreign concept to us here in the States. We have an owner, a president/CEO who oversees the entire operation, a general manager (DoF) and coach (manager). Sometimes the general manager reports to the president and sometimes they report to the owner but other than that one difference pretty much every organization in every sport is run this way. I understand Denise's role clearly but wtf is the point of a chairman and other board members? What do they actually do or in our case what is it they're supposed to be doing? And lastly, does every club have a board like ours (just one more highly functioning)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeO Posted January 26, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Been hesitant to ask this question for awhile cuz this thread is well oiled machine haha, but if you guys wouldn't mind can I derail for a second so someone can help me understand this. What actually is the board? It is a completely foreign concept to us here in the States. We have an owner, a president/CEO who oversees the entire operation, a general manager (DoF) and coach (manager). Sometimes the general manager reports to the president and sometimes they report to the owner but other than that one difference pretty much every organization in every sport is run this way. I understand Denise's role clearly but wtf is the point of a chairman and other board members? What do they actually do or in our case what is it they're supposed to be doing? And lastly, does every club have a board like ours (just one more highly functioning)? To answer your question in detail I'd say....yes, maybe, possibly, probably, no, clueless, and don't know...hopefully clarifies things. dunlopp9987, StevO, Romey 1878 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 36 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Been hesitant to ask this question for awhile cuz this thread is well oiled machine haha, but if you guys wouldn't mind can I derail for a second so someone can help me understand this. What actually is the board? It is a completely foreign concept to us here in the States. We have an owner, a president/CEO who oversees the entire operation, a general manager (DoF) and coach (manager). Sometimes the general manager reports to the president and sometimes they report to the owner but other than that one difference pretty much every organization in every sport is run this way. I understand Denise's role clearly but wtf is the point of a chairman and other board members? What do they actually do or in our case what is it they're supposed to be doing? And lastly, does every club have a board like ours (just one more highly functioning)? 29 minutes ago, MikeO said: To answer your question in detail I'd say....yes, maybe, possibly, probably, no, clueless, and don't know...hopefully clarifies things. All you really need to know is that each board member has a role and then the owner, Moshiri, says “fuck you all, I’m doing what I want.” Matt, StevO and Bailey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 53 minutes ago, MikeO said: To answer your question in detail I'd say....yes, maybe, possibly, probably, no, clueless, and don't know...hopefully clarifies things. More coherent than the board though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 Look at companies in the US. They do have boards. Boards are appointed by the owners to define long-term strategies and oversee their implementation. CEO is the main guy to do that. Unfortunately our board keeps meddling with day-to-day stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 28 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: All you really need to know is that each board member has a role and then the owner, Moshiri, says “fuck you all, I’m doing whatever Kia tells me to do.” Fixed it for you Bailey and Romey 1878 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 Sounds like a famous Rage Against The Machine line now "Fuck you gonna do what Kia tells me! Motherfuckeeeeeers!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Makis said: Look at companies in the US. They do have boards. Boards are appointed by the owners to define long-term strategies and oversee their implementation. CEO is the main guy to do that. Unfortunately our board keeps meddling with day-to-day stuff. Yea i get that but our sports teams aren't set up like businesses. First most of our companies that have boards are publicly traded and therefore rarely have a single 'owner'. The board also is typically 15+ people serving in an advisory capacity and not employed by the company directly. Furthermore our board chairmans are typically voted on by board members not assigned by owner or CEO. I'm not sure what our board of 4 is exactly set up to do when half of it is also club employees. Denise and Sasha should be ex-officio and there to report on club happenings - to your point about the board meddling I agree from what we can see on the outside but that seems like all it can do as it's currently set up. Bill and Graeme should be thinking about long-term strategy, but we need a dozen more Graeme's for it to make any fucking sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 12 hours ago, MikeO said: Really struggle with the simplistc, "...sack the board.." What are they suggesting we replace it with? I guess points 2, 3 and maybe 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 I like how the last one takes a little bit of a leap... Its a bit like me saying I am going to: 1. Eat healthy 2. Work out lots 3. Cut my hair every month 4. Brush my teeth twice a day 5. Shag Beyonce. AlbanyNYToffee, plaidharper and Wall Writer 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Bailey said: I like how the last one takes a little bit of a leap... Its a bit like me saying I am going to: 1. Eat healthy 2. Work out lots 3. Cut my hair every month 4. Brush my teeth twice a day 5. Shag Beyonce. Fair play Bailey you should be able to manage 1-4. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 I think the lack of trophies is used as a show of lack of success but it doesn't really mean much, Portsmouth won the FA Cup in 2008 and were relegated in 2010 and in league 2 by 2013! Wigan won the FA Cup in 2013 and were relegated a few days later! I'd love to see us win a trophy again but it's not necessarily what you can base overall club success on as a strategy. Are the existing board lacking football and commercial experience? Looking at the website most of them have been at Everton a long time, they seem to have relevant experience to their roles and I whilst there may be better people to do the job I have no major reason to doubt them. I think the person everyone is really looking at is Moshiri and Kenwright. And what we want to see as a long term plan for the team that includes the youth section that will produce a positive upward trend over time without jumping managers every year and without wasting lots of money on players that don't do a job for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Bailey said: I like how the last one takes a little bit of a leap... Its a bit like me saying I am going to: 1. Eat healthy 2. Work out lots 3. Cut my hair every month 4. Brush my teeth twice a day 5. Shag Beyonce. Can you let me know how number 5 works out? I quite fancy a go of that one. Wall Writer and Bailey 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, FairWooney said: Are the existing board lacking football and commercial experience? Looking at the website most of them have been at Everton a long time, they seem to have relevant experience to their roles and I whilst there may be better people to do the job I have no major reason to doubt them. Was once told in an interview that not all experience is good experience. Could have ten years experience and they could be a shit year over and over again. Always stuck with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 Maybe our problem is we have surrounded ourselves with people who don’t really know what it’s like to be a serial winner, Denise and Bill from the board, Ferguson and Unsworth from the playing side, they all seem to be here because how the club want to be perceived as this family club who look after their own, but in reality are they holding us back with their lack of ability to knowing what it takes to be successful. Just maybe they need to go for a starter and new coaches and directors should only be considered if they have worked in a winning environment and fuck all the sentimental reasons why these people deserve their jobs and titles. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 Why is Denise getting so much slack? She really earned her place through her work with EITC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, Matt said: Why is Denise getting so much slack? She really earned her place through her work with EITC. I assume you meant flack, that’s my problem what really has EITC got in comparison with running Everton Football Club, it’s like giving your kids school lollipop person the director of air traffic control at John Lennon airport and saying they both control traffic so shouldn’t be a problem. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Matt said: Why is Denise getting so much slack? She really earned her place through her work with EITC. I don't agree with her being criticised, she is a great leader and made EITC a world leader. The problem I have with the board is that appears to be a lack of objectivity and knowledge about running a club effectively. They also sppear unable to manage the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 I really like her and love how she talks. But don’t have a clue if she’s good at her job or not. It seems she’s also been involved in running the club during all of this chaos. Maybe Moshiri is a lone wolf in all of this, but then if he’s constantly making bad decisions is he being challenged by his CEO, chairman, financial director? Are the standing by and letting things happen? Are they being ignored? I think until we know the answers (probably never) these people will be under scrutiny, or at least until the club becomes more stable (if ever). Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, London Blue said: I don't agree with her being criticised, she is a great leader and made EITC a world leader. The problem I have with the board is that appears to be a lack of objectivity and knowledge about running a club effectively. They also sppear unable to manage the owner. People need to start walking then…. Clearly they are picking up a wage whilst being associated with someone who is doing a bad job. resign! State that you are unable to do the job you are paid to do because you aren’t listened to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Hafnia said: People need to start walking then…. Clearly they are picking up a wage whilst being associated with someone who is doing a bad job. Well they appear to of stopped him getting Pereira which was key. If they could not stop that then I would have expected Denise and Sharp to walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, London Blue said: Well they appear to of stopped him getting Pereira which was key. If they could not stop that then I would have expected Denise and Sharp to walk. I expect that's more to do with the fans tbh. They learnt their lesson in not being vocal enough about the sangria swiller when he was linked with the job and made it almost impossible for Moshiri to push through with his fucked up thinking this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, London Blue said: Well they appear to of stopped him getting Pereira which was key. If they could not stop that then I would have expected Denise and Sharp to walk. thats what I would hope. My feeling is Moshiri will spit his dummy out soon enough but needs to wait for stadium and survival at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 34 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I expect that's more to do with the fans tbh. They learnt their lesson in not being vocal enough about the sangria swiller when he was linked with the job and made it almost impossible for Moshiri to push through with his fucked up thinking this time. Maybe, we will never know, I think he has been pretty good at ignoring us fans when we say things he does not want to hear. I think the board along with fans have been key in curbing Moshiri's managerial plans this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Palfy said: I assume you meant flack, that’s my problem what really has EITC got in comparison with running Everton Football Club, it’s like giving your kids school lollipop person the director of air traffic control at John Lennon airport and saying they both control traffic so shouldn’t be a problem. What are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Matt said: What are you talking about? 4 hours ago, Matt said: What are you talking about? He is Palfy….. only I can understand him, Because we’re both special aren’t we Palf! Palfy and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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