Summer Transfers: Who goes and who comes in?

[MC11]

Someone's always on FM

[Lowensda]

I have NEVER ever played Football Manager in my life. So take that comment and stick it up your cunt of a being.

 

Such a cock. Your contributions aren't wanted.

[MC11]

I have NEVER ever played Football Manager in my life. So take that comment and stick it up your cunt of a being.

 

Such a cock. Your contributions aren't wanted.

OMG shock horror. Not one of those you mention on you last few posts will be at Everton this season.

[markjazzbassist]

Kitty - 12m (not sure we even have this, we are skint even with the TV deal)

 

Out:

Mccarthy 20m

Mcgeady 3m

Howard 2m

 

In:

 

Jedinak 8m (like for like for mccarthy until besic is ready)

Ospina 8m

Mertens 12m

Young CB 5m

Byram RB 3m

Pay Off debt - 2m

Edited July 7, 2015 by markjazzbassist

[StevO]

MC have you ever considered contributing to the debate rather than just jumping in and bashing someone's opinions?

I don't get why you would go onto a forum to just say how much other people are wrong but very rarely give your own thoughts.

 

Mark I seem to be disagreeing with you an awful lot lately. But how can you just assume we are skint? None of us know how much we have to spend. Realistically, if we had £28m to spend on Rom last season we should at least have the same this year using the usual method of taking out a loan against next years deal. Just because we aren't splashing it about doesn't mean we haven't got it. But it might need to be spread over another three or four players.

Edited July 7, 2015 by StevO

[MC11]

I'm being realistic.... The names getting banded about are just not going to happen. It's ok saying we should go for this player etc but they're being pulled out the sky. No matter how much people bash the media 10% - 20% of the stories are actually true so I tend to follow those names rather than make my own rumours up.

[StevO]

There we go, and you made your point without being nasty or abusive. I agree with you 100% btw.

[markjazzbassist]

MC have you ever considered contributing to the debate rather than just jumping in and bashing someone's opinions?

I don't get why you would go onto a forum to just say how much other people are wrong but very rarely give your own thoughts.

 

Mark I seem to be disagreeing with you an awful lot lately. But how can you just assume we are skint? None of us know how much we have to spend. Realistically, if we had £28m to spend on Rom last season we should at least have the same this year using the usual method of taking out a loan against next years deal. Just because we aren't splashing it about doesn't mean we haven't got it. But it might need to be spread over another three or four players.

 

steve i fear that the 28m was a couple windows kitties and the fellaini/anichebe money. it was both the summer and winter of last year (mainly our only "proper" signing), and i'm worried it's some of this year as well. just the signings we are getting are indicative of penny pinching.

 

we've signed 2 players, cleverly and gerry. one free, the other cheap (albeit a very good deal i won't cry about gerry). henen was already in place to be bought just need to pass his "loan trial", and garbutt same thing just an extension.

[MC11]

I am 100% convinced we'll spend £10m+ on one player plus a couple of others on loans

[Romey 1878]

I am 100% convinced we'll spend £10m+ on one player plus a couple of others on loans

I hope you're right. If we couldn't manage that you'd have to worry a bit.

 

Martinez has already said we don't have the £28m we had last season (because we haven't made a £28m profit again) but we still should be able to do something decent (fingers crossed).

[markjazzbassist]

I hope you're right. If we couldn't manage that you'd have to worry a bit.

 

Martinez has already said we don't have the £28m we had last season (because we haven't made a £28m profit again) but we still should be able to do something decent (fingers crossed).

 

so that was mostly fellaini/anichebe money. dang, back to 10m summer windows. i can't see us lasting like that with the likes of west ham going out and spending, west brom are getting new owners they will splash the cash. pisses me off.

[MikeO]

 

so that was mostly fellaini/anichebe money. dang, back to 10m summer windows. i can't see us lasting like that with the likes of west ham going out and spending, west brom are getting new owners they will splash the cash. pisses me off.

 

It's been the same for more than a decade, you get used to it. Every summer we get x is spending big and y has been taken over so we're going to be relegated.Nobody outside of the monied elite has out performed us consistently in the last ten years and I don't think anyone will in the next ten (WHU & WBA included) Splashing the cash isn't necessarily the way to success, bottomless pits aside, just ask a QPR fan about it.

[c1982]

Splashing the cash doesn't always mean teams are spending more money than us. Teams like Leicester and Bournemouth now - Stoke, Sunderland etc in the past will pay more in transfer fees than us but we will spend more on a weekly basis to keep better players. Stoke are a good example of the 'cycle' - they'd spent very big in transfer fees in their first few seasons but not the last couple because they've kept their better players and are paying better wages. They have reached the peak of their powers and could be losing 2 of their 3 most important players in Begovic and N'Zonzi - it'll be interesting to see how they get on from here. The only teams who can sustain the high wages and high transfer fees are the 'big 6' - the fact that we are usually amongst these teams shows that our investment in what we're got is justified but sadly we'd have to look off the pitch to explain why we're not in the same bracket overall.

[Cornish Steve]

I am 100% convinced we'll spend £10m+ on one player plus a couple of others on loans

 

I'm 100% convinced that we'll spend 15-20m on a player from Europe. I predicted initially that Deulofeu would be our principal signing of the summer, but I thought the fee would be much higher.

[MikeO]

I don't believe for one minute that we have no money I expect us to spend about £25 million.

More if we sell any major players.

 

Maybe so but that wasn't my point.

 

There's no doubt that we have money, it's just a question of what we do with it. With the squad we have in place I'd rather we spent another £12/15m wisely and reduced our debt (infantile "lining the board's pockets" opinions ignored) to keep us in a sound place financially.

 

We need to think long term.

[markjazzbassist]

 

It's been the same for more than a decade, you get used to it. Every summer we get x is spending big and y has been taken over so we're going to be relegated.Nobody outside of the monied elite has out performed us consistently in the last ten years and I don't think anyone will in the next ten (WHU & WBA included) Splashing the cash isn't necessarily the way to success, bottomless pits aside, just ask a QPR fan about it.

Right mike but the difference then was there was no tv money. Before we were skint and so was everyone else. Now everyone has money (bar the promoted teams) and we still don't have money! It's gone to pay for the training ground we used to own, it's gone to debt (Swansea debt free they get to spend that money), gone to the build a stadium fund, bills pockets, earls pockets, etc.

 

Not saying well drop next year but unless we buck the trend we will be headed down. Man city were terrible, they've splashed cash and won the league 2 times recently. It works. Liverpool still above us, still in Europe.

 

I'm having a moan but it saddens me.

[JoeQuince]

Right mike but the difference then was there was no tv money. Before we were skint and so was everyone else. Now everyone has money (bar the promoted teams) and we still don't have money! It's gone to pay for the training ground we used to own, it's gone to debt (Swansea debt free they get to spend that money), gone to the build a stadium fund, bills pockets, earls pockets, etc.

 

Not saying well drop next year but unless we buck the trend we will be headed down. Man city were terrible, they've splashed cash and won the league 2 times recently. It works. Liverpool still above us, still in Europe.

 

I'm having a moan but it saddens me.

I think you should take seriously what Mike has said on the matter. We have seen lots of clubs "splash the cash" and end up well and truly fucked, because they haven't had enough foresight or haven't performed on the pitch.

 

We have been a consistent club, and we are always competitive. We have been prudent in our spending, and we've generally made smart buys. We haven't been a top spender, perennially, but we consistently perform better than those teams that outspend us. It's better to buy smart, with a plan in mind, rather just to buy every skilled player you can. Don't forget that we were a couple of fucked up "easy" matches away from playing in the champions league this past season. In that season we spent smartly, bringing in players that fit a plan and we executed very well.

 

We have a squad that is capable of finishing top 4. There are a few places we need to strengthen, and we know what they are. I'm sure that we will address them in the best way we can, and I don't think we will overreach to do so.

 

Big-spending clubs are a tough hurdle to overcome, theoretically, but, in reality, the ones that have been most successful in this league (which has been more competitive than most) have been the stable clubs who spend with a game plan in mind. Sure, some of the wealthy clubs can absorb the hit when they make a mistake and overreach (Torres to Chelsea, for instance), but it can also lead to a squad full of money players that never clicks (QPR) or just stops working altogether (Portsmouth).

 

If you're hellbent on selling the club, then you should be all for us not taking on more debt than we have. Nobody wants to buy a club with a pile of debt, an old stadium, and bad commercial deals. One of those things we can actually do something about at the moment. And we can do that while we continue to compete. Yes, the board should be held accountable for some shortsighted, overhead-cutting, idiotic business decisions. But, they've been made.

 

Anyhow, its not the money we spend or don't spend on players. The question is: how do they fit into our squad/style of play? Who do we bring in to maximize what we get out of our game plan without putting all of our eggs in one basket (or a handful of baskets)?

 

This isn't about "accepting mediocrity" or whatever bullshit Blue Union types like to throw around. It's about not being idiots and succeeding with a solid plan that has worked for us.

Edited July 8, 2015 by JoeQuince

[Matt]

Spot on, Joe.

[MC11]

I think you should take seriously what Mike has said on the matter. We have seen lots of clubs "splash the cash" and end up well and truly fucked, because they haven't had enough foresight or haven't performed on the pitch.

 

We have been a consistent club, and we are always competitive. We have been prudent in our spending, and we've generally made smart buys. We haven't been a top spender, perennially, but we consistently perform better than those teams that outspend us. It's better to buy smart, with a plan in mind, rather just to buy every skilled player you can. Don't forget that we were a couple of fucked up "easy" matches away from playing in the champions league this past season. In that season we spent smartly, bringing in players that fit a plan and we executed very well.

 

We have a squad that is capable of finishing top 4. There are a few places we need to strengthen, and we know what they are. I'm sure that we will address them in the best way we can, and I don't think we will overreach to do so.

 

Big-spending clubs are a tough hurdle to overcome, theoretically, but, in reality, the ones that have been most successful in this league (which has been more competitive than most) have been the stable clubs who spend with a game plan in mind. Sure, some of the wealthy clubs can absorb the hit when they make a mistake and overreach (Torres to Chelsea, for instance), but it can also lead to a squad full of money players that never clicks (QPR) or just stops working altogether (Portsmouth).

 

If you're hellbent on selling the club, then you should be all for us not taking on more debt than we have. Nobody wants to buy a club with a pile of debt, an old stadium, and bad commercial deals. One of those things we can actually do something about at the moment. And we can do that while we continue to compete. Yes, the board should be held accountable for some shortsighted, overhead-cutting, idiotic business decisions. But, they've been made.

 

Anyhow, its not the money we spend or don't spend on players. The question is: how do they fit into our squad/style of play? Who do we bring in to maximize what we get out of our game plan without putting all of our eggs in one basket (or a handful of baskets)?

 

This isn't about "accepting mediocrity" or whatever bullshit Blue Union types like to throw around. It's about not being idiots and succeeding with a solid plan that has worked for us.

But still ain't won anything

[MikeO]

Right mike but the difference then was there was no tv money. Before we were skint and so was everyone else.

 

Neither of those statements are true.

[Paddock]

West Ham will become a force now they have that dtadium. Vault me on that.

[markjazzbassist]

West Ham will become a force now they have that dtadium. Vault me on that.

Exactly. Newcastle have a large one as well. Spurs and Chelsea building a new one and doing upgrades. We're still trying to find 50 quid in the coach cushions to get a player on loan.

[MikeO]

West Ham will become a force now they have that dtadium. Vault me on that.

How are you defining "force"? I think they'll probably stabilize at 7th/8th rather than being the yo-yo club/perennial relegation candidates they've always been.

 

But they'll never get close to the top four/five with those two wide-boy pornographers in charge.

 

(So one of us is for the vault!)

[JoeQuince]

Exactly. Newcastle have a large one as well. Spurs and Chelsea building a new one and doing upgrades. We're still trying to find 50 quid in the coach cushions to get a player on loan.

You're worried about the same Newcastle that just narrowly avoided relegation and can hardly get their shit together?

 

And the current workings of West Ham have nothing to do with us. They've essentially been gifted a giant new stadium. Them not having to pay much of anything isn't our problem. Sure, we would love to be gifted a stadium. I'm sure we would use that to our advantage if Liverpool brought in a major event that necessitated the building of such a thing. But, the city hasn't. And, that's not our fucking problem.

 

It's be nice if everything was rainbows, lollipops and big ass titties, but you're an Everton fan. That's not our lot.

[MikeO]

Newcastle have a large one as well.

Have done for a couple of decades nearly...and look at all the success it's got them.

[MC11]

You're worried about the same Newcastle that just narrowly avoided relegation and can hardly get their shit together?

 

And the current workings of West Ham have nothing to do with us. They've essentially been gifted a giant new stadium. Them not having to pay much of anything isn't our problem. Sure, we would love to be gifted a stadium. I'm sure we would use that to our advantage if Liverpool brought in a major event that necessitated the building of such a thing. But, the city hasn't. And, that's not our fucking problem.

 

It's be nice if everything was rainbows, lollipops and big ass titties, but you're an Everton fan. That's not our lot.

Newcastle are held back by Ashley. A good pumping of cash at that lot and they'd be in the top 6 minimum. Massive club Newcastle.

 

West Ham need to find the right manager and stop signing poor players for massive fees

[Paddock]

How are you defining "force"? I think they'll probably stabilize at 7th/8th rather than being the yo-yo club/perennial relegation candidates they've always been.

 

But they'll never get close to the top four/five with those two wide-boy pornographers in charge.

 

(So one of us is for the vault!)

They will be a top 6 side is what I mean but I wouldn't be surprised if given their location and now the stadium they aren't bought out and become the next Man City.

[MikeO]

They will be a top 6 side is what I mean but I wouldn't be surprised if given their location and now the stadium they aren't bought out and become the next Man City.

 

That's a possibility. I don't see them top six with the current owners though. Next season certainly not, I see them competing with Swansea, Southampton and Stoke for eighth to eleventh.

 

(Assuming we go back to 13/14 spec and put last season behind us which, as an eternal start-of-the-season optimist, I believe we will)

[Makis]

Problem is that almost every other team in the PL will be able to outbid us for any decent players. Both transfer fees and wages.

[Paddock]

 

That's a possibility. I don't see them top six with the current owners though. Next season certainly not, I see them competing with Swansea, Southampton and Stoke for eighth to eleventh.

 

(Assuming we go back to 13/14 spec and put last season behind us which, as an eternal start-of-the-season optimist, I believe we will)

Yer pretty much spot on. I don't mean immediately they will become like that and certainly not under the owners they have now butthey are a prospect to be bought out.